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  • Terry1946
    Terry1946 Member Posts: 7
    edited January 2010

    I know this might sound very strange but since I recently had breast cancer surgery and am now wearing a prostheses, whenever I enter into a store that has alarm systems at the main entrance, I set off those alarms.....

    I don't know if it is the prostheses doing that, or if it is the anti-cancer medicine I am taking.  I know it isn't my purse as I had a friend walk through with said purse and no alarm.  Wow, nothing like bringing attention to myself.  At least I haven't been tackled by a "mall cop" as of yet. 

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited January 2010

    What type of breast form (prosthesis) are you wearing? The only kind I can think of that might set off some kinds of alarms are foam forms that are slightly weighted. This weighting is usually done with little metal beads embedded in the center of the form. For this reason, I would never wear such a form in the airport as the screening might pick it up.

    I've been wearing unweighted foam forms and silicone forms for over three years and have never had a problem.

    Barbara

  • Terry1946
    Terry1946 Member Posts: 7
    edited January 2010

    Hi Barbara,

    Well, later today I decided to go to a store that had door alarms without wearing my prosthesis and I did set off the alarms.  Oops.  Monday I will see one of my doctors and ask her what could be doing this. I don't like all this attention, not at this point in time, too soon after surgery.

    Oh, thank you for the BreastFree website.  I do a lot of hiking [or I did, it will be awhile before I get back to doing that] and I liked seeing the t-shirt on that website.  What a great idea!!

    As for the airport screening, the full body scan will pick up our mastectomy scars and breast forms.  It will be interesting to see what happens next, if we will be required for a second screening.  If I set off store alarms I can just imagine what I would do to the special airport screening equipment!!

    Terry

  • franie
    franie Member Posts: 73
    edited January 2010

    Terry, glad to hear it wasn't your prosthesis. I have also been thinking about airport security also. I hope they don't get to the point where we can't wear our prosthesis when flying.

    Franie 

  • OtraVez
    OtraVez Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2010

    I experienced the full screening when it went into effect here. The problem isn't the scars, it's that the TSA folks didn't recognize my pros for what it was . . .I had to go through additional screenings in order to get through the gates, and one of the supervisors (who did my second screen) told me it had happened earlier that day as well. I let them know then that we needed to find a way to handle this without the same level of public, across the counter discussions that the TSA folks had - it wasn't busy that afternoon, but I don't really think that everyone in line with/around me needs to know that I'm wearing a fake boob. What a lousy way to start a vacation! :)

     My sister and Mom carry doctors notes for their titanium joint implants, but I'll bet there won't be any such thing for us.  We can probably fly in them, but I havent' figured out how to raise the issue about our prostheses with the powers that be - I'll bet we'll all have to have separate screening.  

      

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited January 2010

    I have flown wearing my prothesis and set off no airport alarms or had any extra screening.  I don't think any of the TSA folks ever knew I was a mastectomee.  Your surgeon may have left metal clips in during the mastectomy--they are used to seal off larger blood vessels and to mark areas for future reference.  If the clips are big enough or if there are enough of them they can set off metal detectors. 

  • SusaninSF
    SusaninSF Member Posts: 1,213
    edited January 2010

    I fly a lot. United Airlines Global Services member.  About a month ago, my bag was searched because of the prosthesis I had in my luggage.  This was a first.  I always travel with at least one prosthesis packed in my roll aboard since I wear a different one in my sports bra.  If I am going on vacation, I also bring a swim prosthesis.  I often travel with work colleagues who don't know anything about my foob and I'm also often rushed making flights so this could get seriously inconvenient.  

  • Jelson
    Jelson Member Posts: 1,535
    edited January 2010

    Terry,

    might you be wearing or carrying an item that still has it's store security tag on? I know they are usually obvious, but maybe not. I was thinking something you would frequently carry/wear - a pocketbook, a coat or boots.

    Julie E

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited January 2010

    Susan,

    That's would be a pain. Are you sure it was the prosthesis that triggered the search? Once, my carry-on was searched; I had packed a couple of extra prostheses and I was sure it was because of that. It turns out it was the little can of dog food that I'd put in there for my toy poodle, who was traveling with me, that caused them to pull my bag out for hand search.

    Asedge,

    As far as personal screening, I would guess the metal clip idea might be a reason (sometimes surgeons don't tell us when they leave one inside). Or if the pros was weighted with metal balls. As I said above, I've traveled numerous times wearing silicone and unweighted foam forms and have never had a problem.

    Barbara 

  • Mouser
    Mouser Member Posts: 245
    edited January 2010

    Unsurprisingly, I haven't had a problem with my prosthesis when going thru metal-detectors, but i am wondering about the body scans. If they *don't* notice a gel-filled prosthesis, how good will they be at finding explosives? And if they do -- besides the awkwardness, it might slow things down a bit. There's quite a few of us, i think. And what about silicone implants?

    One thing that *always* triggers a luggage search: a loaf of bread. We've learned the hard way that good bread is hard to find in small towns in canyon country, so we bring rye or pumpernickel with us. The bread suitcase is searched every time -- ditto a friend's, who does the same thing.

    I'm already flying as little as possible -- not fear, just tired of the hassle of going thru security, being jammed in, delays, cancellations... etc. I'll drive up to 12 or 14 hours rather than fly (especially if i have to rent a car at the end anyway!). Unfortunately, that won't get me to the canyons, so i'll be flying over spring break. This could get interesting ...

  • SusaninSF
    SusaninSF Member Posts: 1,213
    edited January 2010

    The security person told me it was my silicone pros that caused the search.  She said they sometimes show up darker on the screen.  Seemed strange since it had never happened before and I always have it in my bag.  The body scan thing is definitely making me nervous.  How will they be able to verify that there isn't some kind of explosive in our pros? Seems it will take a long time and we're going to have to remove them so they can look at them.

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited January 2010

    Those body scans concern me, too--it would pretty unpleasant to be pulled out and have to let TSA actually examine our pros. On the other hand, I'm concerned about radiation from the new machines (having already had radiation for bc), so my impulse would be to refuse the machine altogether and let TSA pat me down, which almost certainly would mean some kind of examination of the prostheses. Yuch! Not to mention the extra time necessary . . .

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited January 2010

    It's because of these issues that I've stopped flying on commercial airlines except in the case of a sudden family emergency that requires my immediate presence.  Forget being scared there might be a lunatic on-board.  I just hate the hassle -- the inconvenience, the indignity, the de-humanization of it all.  I used to love flying, but it's not fun anymore.  I refuse to pretend that it's okay.

    But I still go through those thingies at the doors of the grocery store and the mall.  After all, a person's gotta eat.

    otter 

  • BoobsinaBox
    BoobsinaBox Member Posts: 550
    edited January 2010

    Otter,

    My feelings exactly!  This does make my decision not to wear prostheses at all seem very wise, if slightly less attractive.  I had a pat-down once before BC.  I was offered a private room, which I turned down, because I wanted to stay in view of my husband.  It was awful, but they let me go easily after that.  I think it was the little underwires in my bra that set them off.  Imagine having a woman put both her hands under your breasts and push up!  I think that was the day flying became less fun. And now the added risk of lymphedema.  We plan a trip to visit friends in Europe next year, and I already dread the travel part!

    Dawn 

  • franie
    franie Member Posts: 73
    edited January 2010

    If a silicone pros shows dark on the screen I wonder if an implant looks the same way. Those of us that wear pros can just not wear them when flying, but if implants also are a problem there is no easy solution. I agree with Boobsinabos and otter, flying is becoming to much of a hassle. For me it would be difficult not wear my pros. 

    Franie 

  • SusaninSF
    SusaninSF Member Posts: 1,213
    edited January 2010

    Since I'm a uni there's no way I can go on a business trip without wearing a pros. Can't do my job without flying.  Hopefully there will be a way to bring a doctor's note or something.  That will still take some time and be embarassing in front of my colleagues (most of whom are men).  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2010

    Wow, I have to agree with you here. It never occurred to me the thought of a pros being a potential risk factor for security at airports. I already detest all the hangups with air travel but this potential embarrassment would really make me reconsider flying...........car, train, bus, boat will be my preferred choice if we have to be that exposed and humiliated! I'll keep my travel down.

  • Anne888
    Anne888 Member Posts: 58
    edited January 2010

    I've enjoyed just reading this forum since joining, but this topic has brought me out of lurkdom!  The first thing I thought of when the scanning machines were mentioned was my prothesis.  It seems like such an invasion of privacy for some stranger to see the foobie on a scanner.  And the thought of having to explain/justify a prothesis is downright unbelievable.  I already have a knee replacement (arthritis brought on by Femara) so I'm used to being pulled aside for the pat down, but there's a big difference between telling a stranger that I have a fake knee and telling her (him?) that I have a fake boob!  Unfortunately, I can't just decide to stop flying - son & DIL will be moving across the county and we'll travel by air to visit.  And I absolutely refuse to travel "unbalanced."  Nobody comes between me & my foobie!Wink Anxiously waiting to see how this all works out.

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited January 2010

    I have been flying all over the world now for nine years

    with a prosthesis and never set anything off...

    But.......I can see that the new whole body scanners

    will pick it up..I think if I have to do that I would just

    tell them what they will see..

    The good part about travelling with a mastectomy

    is that once you get thru  security...I use my bra

    to store my passport, credit cards and money..

    no pickpocket can get it there...of course, it can

    be a little embarassing when you have to excuse

    yourself to get something out...but with planning ahead

    it is a real convenience...

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2010

    Otter, you know those stuffed boobs they give you right after surgery? What do THEY look like in one of those airport scanners?

    Actually, I use Silique Comfort Lites, which are a thin silicone shell stuffed with beanie-baby beans -- bet that'd look real interesting! Embarassed I think I may give up flying altogether...

    Binney (breaking out her bicycle and wonderiing how far she could go on that...)

  • SusaninSF
    SusaninSF Member Posts: 1,213
    edited January 2010

    Welcome Anne888!

    SoCalLisa, you should post your bra wallet idea on the uses of foobs thread! Not exactly a use for a foob but related! 

  • SDHummingbird
    SDHummingbird Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2010

    I have a big smile. I never thought of calling my fake boob a foob or foobie. I love this. I thought of my foob when they talked about scans. I fly alot and never have had it be a problem. They may begin to ask people who have a prosthesis to use another line. If the alarm does go off and the scanner goes near your foob, and they want to ask questions, you can ask to speak privately with a female TSA person.

  • Terry1946
    Terry1946 Member Posts: 7
    edited January 2010

    Regarding flying and security searches.  I did some research and was told that the prosthesis would not trigger a search by itself.... that there would be something else that is questionable either on yourself or in a carry-on bag.  Good news, if something in your carry-on requires a search you can request a female TSA officer to do the search of your carry-on bag/purse.  There are things that guys really don't need to see in our bags/purses Surprised

    As for radiation of the full-body scan.  I was told the amount of radiation is no different than being outside in the sun for a few minutes.  You can decline the full-body scan as not everyone is going to be comfortable going into that machine... I know I wouldn't as the spinning of the doors would throw off my equilibrium, thus making me feel sick.  I would gladly opt for any of the other security searches.

    If for some reason TSA needs to pat you down, you can request a private room screening which is very safe as there would be only two female TSA Officers in that room.   The reason for two Officer is for your safety and for the safety of the Officer doing the pat down.  It's my understanding that your spouse/companion can be in the room during the pat down once they have gone through secruity screening.

    For more info: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/specialneeds/index.shtm

  • Sassa
    Sassa Member Posts: 1,588
    edited January 2010

    The funny thing is that I never had any problems going through security with my foobs.  On the other hand, before BC when I had Massive Matilda and Big Bertha, I was frequently pulled aside for a pat down of the area as they must have thought that I had a small nuclear bomb hidden in my bra (my daughter is is also large breasted has also endured the same humiliation). I fly out of BWI (Baltimore-Washington) frequently and that is one of the airports that is usually one of the tighter security airports.

     I have told more than one female TSA officer if the pat down got any more intense that she would have to marry me. 

    I have been spared any such delays after my mastectomies.  I was surprised that even my tissue expanders (had delayed reconstruction after several years) that came with warning that I might set off alarms, never caused any alarms.

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited January 2010

    Terry1946,

    Thanks for all that helpful information. I had read something about scatter radiation from the new machines, which prompted my earlier post. I mentioned this to my DH after posting and he said he'd read that there are two different machines that do these scans and that one type does have more radiation than the other, but that neither represents a very significant amount of radiation. Still, I'm with you and think I'd probably opt for another type of search rather than go through the machine.

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited January 2010

    On my way to Florida I stopped in Washington (International) and went through the scanning machine then had the pat down.... but she only patted down the prosthetic side.  So it must show up as something in the scan.  She was finished the prodding before I figured out what she was patting down and muttered to her that it was a fake boob.

    In the interest of being fair.... ladies have transported drugs, information, whatever in breast implants.  How easy would it be to replace the silicone in a foob with cocaine.... Sealed as they are they could have no smell.  Could fool the dogs even.  And I dont wanna think of some wacko putting a liquid explosive in the foob....

  • Ezscriiibe
    Ezscriiibe Member Posts: 598
    edited January 2010

    Don't forget about the radiation that you're exposed to simply flying in the higher altitudes to begin with. I used to fly quite frequently for my job and was flying so frequently, in fact, I was beginning to get concerned about the exposure. I know that  flight attendants and pilots are concerned about their risks from cosmic radiation now, as well, and, I believe, but I could be mistaken, I haven't actually done a lot of research, but I believe it is now listed, or being considered to be listed, as an occupational hazard in their job descriptions.

  • OtraVez
    OtraVez Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2010

    silicone.  I wasn't aware of any metal beads - in fact, I have to "massage" mine daily, and haven't felt anything at all (kind funny now that I think of it . . . doing a breast exam on my prosthesis!) 

  • BoobsinaBox
    BoobsinaBox Member Posts: 550
    edited January 2010
    The metal beads are for weighting in foam, NOT silicone, which is quite heavy enough all by itself!

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