Neratinib Clinical Trials

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  • my2boys
    my2boys Member Posts: 339
    edited January 2010

    Mare - Yup, that's the group!  Desiree is very nice.  I'm so glad to hear about the manageable side effects.  I didn't know they were only allowed 10.  She did mention to me that she already had 5.  Stay strong.

    Sue - I still have my chest x-ray next Friday before I begin the meds.  Other than that I am all done with pre-tests.  I requested an echo instead of the muga and they agreed.  I have lymphedema, so I only have one good arm and I don't want to be stuck in that arm if I don't have to.  You are right that it is easier if your oncologist is the trial administrator.  Good for you.  I had to have all of my records transferred to the trial administrator.  Not too much trouble, but a bit of a hassle.

    I pray that I get the medicine if I need it....that's all I can do.

  • snowgirlcathy
    snowgirlcathy Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2010

    Well ladies, here we go again.  I picked up my latest round from the Trial Nurse this morning and will be starting back again at 200mg.  I also have been given Lomotil and Imodium to take for the first few days to see if that will keep the diarrhea under control.  I was glad to hear from her that, if I have the same reaction despite all the anti-diarrheal meds, I'm to let her know right away (I send an email report to her every 3 days) and they won't wait to reduce the dosage again.  I've been told I can go as low at 120 and still stay on the trial but I'm hoping 160 is the magic number.  Can't say I'm not really anxious about starting again tonight - I feel like I did when I knew my next chemo treatment was due and I just knew it would make me feel miserable.  Let's hope that's not the case this time!

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited January 2010

    Hi Everyone,

    I had a side effect free weekend AND was still taking the 160 mg dosage- I am SO excited. I havent been without the big D since early October!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Looks like we finally found a dosage that will work and keep me from being sick all the time!

    Kristy

  • snowgirlcathy
    snowgirlcathy Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2010

    KristyAnn that's amazing!  You are my inspiration that this can actually work!

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited January 2010

    I know Cathy

    VICKI where are you- you were my inspiration and motivation and Im finally there!!!!

    Kristy

  • annamari
    annamari Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2010

    I've been following this post for the past few days.  I started in the trial today.  I,m taking the meds at noon so that if I have any reactions I can hopefully deal with them after work at home.  I'm hoping that I'll sail through this as I did with my other treatments.  Keep in good spirits everyone of you.

  • beebusted1
    beebusted1 Member Posts: 40
    edited January 2010

    Annamarie: Welcome, hope all goes well for you.

    Does everyone take their pills at the same time each day?  Generally I take mine after breakfast but Sunday I forgot and took them at night and yesterday I took them around noon.  It seems to have thrown me out of sync.

  • snowgirlcathy
    snowgirlcathy Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2010

    I first started taking mine in the morning (that's the trial protocol) but was really bothered with nausea during the day.  Dr. determined it was because I probably didn't have enough food in me at that time.  Switched to after dinner and that worked much better - much less nausea, really just occasional queasiness that 1/2 Gravol took care of.  Restarted the program last night but they've added Lomotil 2x per day for a few days as well as Imodium if needed (took it this morning).  Hopefully I will only need the Lomotil for 3 or 4 days in combo with the Imodium to regulate my inner workings.  If it isn't working, I'll be letting them know right away this time and they won't wait a month of me riding the 'porcelain bus' before they lower the dose again.   Bought a new pair of jeans yesterday - the weight loss meant a size 6 - haven't worn that in 20 years!  Skinny jeans no less but I certainly don't want to lose any more!

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited January 2010

    I take mine in the morning BUT I also learned to only take them with something on my stomach!

    Kristy

  • annamari
    annamari Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2010

    Hi!  I take mine at lunch time because I have to take some other medication and vitamins on an empty stomach and then I don't have enough time for a real good breakfast and at coffee time I don't have enough in my stomach and I eat a good lunch--usually left overs so that is the best time for me.  I sure don't want to get up at 5:30 in the morning.   Hope you are all doing well.  So far so good for me.  I am the first at my clinic to start on the clinical trial.

  • snowgirlcathy
    snowgirlcathy Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2010

    Well, I started back on a reduced dosage of 200mg on Monday combined with Lomotil twice a day and Imodium as needed.  Now I've gone completely in the other direction and have had no BM's at all since a very minor bout of diarrhea Tues am.  I've reduced the Lomotil to once per day as per Dr directions and we'll see if that get's things moving.  Some mild queasiness and fatigue - Lomotil is a narcotic so that could be the cause.  Never a dull moment!  Glad to not be on the toilet ALL the time but once in a while would be a good thing!

  • beebusted1
    beebusted1 Member Posts: 40
    edited January 2010

    I'm back to my morning routine and that seems to work best. I haven't had my period since I started the trial, don't know if this is related to the drug.  When I was on chemo it stopped and didn't return for 10 months after, so we'll see.

  • Laya6680tx
    Laya6680tx Member Posts: 5
    edited January 2010

    Hi Ladies,

    I am new to the site and posting, but I have been reading these message boards since my DX in 08. I've always felt comfort here, but haven't really been ready to contribute until recently.

    I'm compelled to post today because I was approached by my onco this morning (while at the treatment center keeping another friend company through chemo) about the Neratinib trial. Apparently it just opened in my area a few days ago. I hadn't heard anything about it until now, but after reading all these posts, I can see that it is somewhat old news. lol.

    Anyway, my onco explained a little about it today and I have an appointment with the research nurse Thursday. I've spent so much time over the past 19 months researching various drugs and even other cancers that it just occurred to me that I have no idea about the trial process. I've picked up a lot of information just from reading here... so thank you all for the information!!! I will now go into that meeting very informed and I have plenty of questions.

    Is anyone on the drug here under 30?? Just curious about the age distribution in the trial. 

    I'll keep in touch!!

    ~Bethany

  • annamari
    annamari Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2010

    Bethany:

    I was told that they want women of all age ranges to get a good idea of how it works for everyone.  I just started on Monday.  After reading some of the sidefx I decided not to use dairy products from the start.  I have some loose movements but I can handle it.  Also crampyness when i have to go. Don't know if I'm on the neratinib or a plecebo but I'm OK with that.  It will hopefully help someone somewhere.

  • Laya6680tx
    Laya6680tx Member Posts: 5
    edited January 2010

    Annamari,

    I think having a diet plan from the start is a smart idea. There is some debate as to whether dairy is actually any good for your digestive system anyway, so while it may be hard for me, I could definitely live without it if I get in the trial.

    A brain cancer survivor friend of mine said that it is often hardest to recruit participants for blind studies. I don't know much about trials, but I imagine that the not knowing whether you are on a drug or not is a deal-breaker for some people. I admire all of you who are participating because it is truly selfless, especially if you are on the placebo. Even if you are on the placebo, you play an important role in getting this drug approved for all women. 

    I hope to be joining you all soon!

    ~Bethany

  • Cranegirl
    Cranegirl Member Posts: 17
    edited January 2010

    Is anyone having muscle/bone pain in the trial? Ive gone off of everything else but the trial drug and now the Dr wants to go off of the trial drug for a week to see if that helps. Im starting my forth month.  Cora

  • gk2bc0
    gk2bc0 Member Posts: 56
    edited January 2010

    Cora - were you on arimidex or femara? aromatese inhibitors definitely have joint pain, like arthritis. I've heard that going off them for a few weeks helps when you go back on them. Considering that I have five years ahead of me, I'm hoping that eventually I'll get used to feeling like my 87 year old mother!  Things could be worse :)  Gail

  • my2boys
    my2boys Member Posts: 339
    edited January 2010

    I start the drug (or placebo) on Friday.  I see that many of you take it in the morning.  Does it cause drowsiness at all?

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited January 2010

    annamari - Sounds like you might be on the drug if you are loose and crampy!

    my2Boys- no drowsiness for me and they are positive I am on the neratinib.

    Having a great weekend everyone- going to see college girl tomorrow in Arkansas and take her things for her dorm room and then senior daughter is signing her National Letter of Intent for her softball scholarship on Monday morning!

    Kristy

  • annamari
    annamari Member Posts: 82
    edited January 2010

    Very true Bethany everyone counts and I hope that you will give this a go.  You are young and I would tell my girls the same thing.  You are the same age as some of them and I know I would not wish BCon any of them.  It's a hard road and we have to be strong warriors on it.  I pray the best for you.  I had a good day and I like it that way. Still working full time .

  • Cranegirl
    Cranegirl Member Posts: 17
    edited January 2010

    Ive been off Aromasin for 45 days. All the other SE have gone away but the leg and arm pain. The Dr has said that its not the Aromasin but hes never heard of that being a SE of Neratinib. He was going to talk to the Neratinib people to see but I thought Id ask here to see if anyone else is having anything like this. Thanks,  Cora

  • vickib
    vickib Member Posts: 1,184
    edited January 2010

    YAAAAAYYYY Kristy!! I am sorry, I don't know why my reply did not postLaughing I am so happy they finally found the right dose for you. I am proud of you for hanging in there and I hope you had a great D-free weekend!

    Cora - I have not exprienced any joint pain at all with the drug but I did with a few of the AIs . I do not miss the joint pain but I sure do wish they would let me take something for estrogen! I hope they get to the bottom of it for you!

    Annamari  - Wise choice to stay away from the dairy! I am so glad you are handling it OK. 

    I wish ALL of you the best of luck!

    This week is test week, I hope to come back Thursday with good news! 

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited January 2010

    I heard from the trial coordinator this week. They will not be ready to meet with me for inital consult about the trial for another month or two. Apparently they are still getting set up as a site.  I don't finish Herceptin until April so I am not ready anyway.
    It struck me that after reading this thread all this time, I will know more about the trial than they will. Another amazing way the internet has changed all our lives.

    So I will continue to lurk and gather info from all your experiences while I finish herceptin and get ready to start the trial (if I get in).  Thank you for blazing the trail, ladies!

    Amy

  • tarheelrivergirl
    tarheelrivergirl Member Posts: 14
    edited January 2010

    Cranegirl,

    I've had problems with foot and leg pain just as I experienced during and after Herceptin.  I understand from reading some of the research literature on Neratinib, as well as from the trial nurse that neuropathy can be a SE.  I'm on 240mg. During the first several weeks I had diarrhea 1-2x daily and some mild nausea, but that has all gone away; however, the leg, foot and arm pain is still there. I call it "background" pain. It doesn't interfere with my day-to-day activities, but when I am still or laying down at night, that's when I feel it or am aware of it the most. I just finished my 1 month followup; blood work, liver functions & EKG are all normal. I have to say that minus the diarrhea early on my experience with Neratinib seems pretty much like my experience with Herceptin.

  • anitach
    anitach Member Posts: 191
    edited January 2010

    Good Morning everybody,

    Well, any thoughts that I might be on the placebo have flown right out the window. I've had non-stop nausea for that last 3 weeks. I have actually gotten to the point of throwing up about 5 times now. Also, lots of cramping but my stools are not loose. I just had my nipple reconstruction and am on narcotics so that could be part of what is keeping me from having diarhhea. I guess it just took a while for the side effects to kick in for me. Now, I'm trying to figure out how to make them GO AWAY!! They gave me zofran at my last visit but it doesn't really seem to be helping the nausea at all. I'm thinking about trying to find a new time of day to take the pills - I now take them at about 6 or 7 in the evening - and then my nights are spent with a bowl beside me in case I throw up. I'm scared to take them in the morning though as I work and don't want to be nauseaus here at work or have to worry about running to the bathroom.

    Hope everyone is doing well. So proud for you Kristy Ann that you made it through that horrific stage and now can continue on the drug and enjoy life at the same time!!

    Anita

  • snowgirlcathy
    snowgirlcathy Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2010

    Hi everyone... wow you miss a lot when you're not here for a few days!  Cora, my joint pain is minor but I'm sure it's the Arimidex since I've had it long before I started the Neratinib.  Not enough to even take Tylenol for though ... my MIL's 96 and lives with us and I get a running commentary on REAL joint pain that's for sure!  Annamari I haven't restricted any food type but find the trial drug's an appetite killer regardless.  As for nausea Anita, I experience more of a low grade queasiness most of the time rather than out and out nausea - especially since they reduced the dose.  It's still there and I go back in to see them on Fri and they'll probably reduce me again to 160mg. The BM's have definitely improved and only have 'episodes' infrequently and Imodium seems to keep it in check.   Kristy, sounds like you're back in the groove and going to have an exciting few weeks with your girls.  I think I'm looking after my 16mo old grandson, 3 yr old granddaughter and the other two that are 10 and 12 this weekend .... I'll need a vacation for sure after that!  As you can tell, I'm definitely more than 30!!!!

  • Cranegirl
    Cranegirl Member Posts: 17
    edited January 2010

    Ive kept the nausea at bay by taking the drug at night before bed on a full stomache. By morning all thats left is a headache, mild stomache upset and of course, leg pain. Cora

  • fightinhrd123
    fightinhrd123 Member Posts: 633
    edited January 2010

    well tomorrows the day i go to sign the paperwork and start enrollment.  Im a little nervous about the side effects.  I have three kids im pretty active with, so hopefully i'll be ok.  May even get the placebo right?  Does anyone else go to breastlink in santa ana cali, for this?  Does anyone have any advice for me ?

  • suemed8749
    suemed8749 Member Posts: 1,151
    edited January 2010

    Hi fightinhrd! I did my paperwork and finished all the tests last week. I see my onc (trial administrator) on Friday and get the pills on Monday, so we're pretty close to being on the same schedule. We can do this!

  • fightinhrd123
    fightinhrd123 Member Posts: 633
    edited January 2010

    hi suemed,

    i posted a reply, i thought!! anyway, i see the onc tomorrow, then have to do my tests, but since i jst had a PET/CT im hoping i wont need too many scans!!!  I would love to have someone to compare notes with whose starting at the same time as me!  Our diganoses are very similiar, except i had a couple of nodes, but i had chemo first and a complete response. 

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