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annettie
annettie Member Posts: 50
edited June 2014 in Stage I Breast Cancer

Hi, I'm new to this and need help. I've been diagnosed with stage 2 breast cancer. I've had surgery to remove the tumor and sentinel node and 2 axillary node removals which showed it is spreading. I've been doing research on this but the more research I do as far as the kind of treatments out there and the different diets I get more confused. I don't know what is right and what is wrong in my situation. The dr.s say I'll need chemo and radiation and another surgery to remove all the axillary lymph nodes. I'm having trouble healing from the first surgery and am suffering with lymphedema which is painful. I'm going to get a second opinion from the Mayo Clinic but I'm wondering what questions do I ask? What is important? I don't like to think of the poisons going in my body but yet I already have one in it which is this cancer. I've read that some have had an MRI before they had their biopsies...what did the MRI tell you that an ultrasound couldn't? Did I miss something there as far as a better diagnosis? Could it tell me if I have cancer in anymore lymph nodes? I hope I'm making sense. I'm so confused on this I'm at the point I don't know what questions to ask. If anyone could simplify this for me in any way I would much appreciate it.. 

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  • GryffinSong
    GryffinSong Member Posts: 439
    edited January 2010

    Hello and welcome to the club you never wanted to join. My cancer is probably quite similar to yours. I had stage II, 3 out of my lymph nodes were positive for cancer. I chose a bilateral mastectomy so that I'd not have to worry as much about the future. And I chose to be very aggressive in treatment for the same reasons. Once it's spread to your lymph nodes, chemo is recommended to kill any cancer cells that may have strayed outside of the tumor area. It's an all-body treatment, and raises your chance for survival, and lessens your chance of a recurrance. Radiation is a localized treatment to kill any cancer cells that might be near your tumor or affected lymph nodes. Like chemo, it lessens your chance of a recurrance, and might raise your chance of survival. My long term survival is something like 96% with all the treatments I got. Without them I'd be looking at 60-something percent chance of survival over 5 or 10 years (I forget which).

    I did have an MRI. Different tests give them more information, but in terms of rads and chemo, it sounds like you already know enough to start thinking about them. Chemo can be very hard on the body, but it does seem to significantly raise chance of success.

    I'm so sorry you're already having lymphedema. Have you spoken with a physical therapist about it? Do you have a compression sleeve? There are stretches and excercises and mild massages that can help.

    As for your lymph nodes, I haven't heard of tests that can tell if other nodes are affected. Standard of care is to remove them all if any are positive.

    When you go to Mayo, take a friend or family member if you can. Write down any questions you can think of, bring paper and pen to take notes, and let your friend help you if you get confused.

    I'm not a doctor, but it sounds like the right things are being considered. And there's TONS of info in this forum.

    Hugs, good luck, and try not to worry too hard. I'm out the other side of treatment (by a couple of months) and am feeling pretty darn good. :)

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited January 2010

    annettie ~  So sorry you're joining us, but you've come to a great place for information and support.  Let me try to answer a couple of your questions.  First, an MRI is usually done after a biopsy finds bc.  Most insurance companies won't pay for them unless you already have a bc diagnosis via that biopsy.  Then they're done to see if there's anything else going on in either breast prior to surgery. 

    When you say "which showed it is spreading," were all of the nodes they removed positive?  If any were, going back to take more is what most breast surgeons recommend to figure out how many nodes are involved, which helps determine your staging and treatment recommendations.  However, if you are already having problems with lymphedema, you'll certainly want to discuss this concern with whichever surgeon you use in the future.  And getting a second opinion, especially at an NCI-designated facility such as the Mayo Clinic, is an excellent idea. 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCI-designated_Cancer_Center

    I'm not 100% sure about MRIs always detecting positive nodes, but that would definitely be something to ask your surgeon(s) about.        Deanna

       

  • annettie
    annettie Member Posts: 50
    edited January 2010

    GryffinSong,  Hello and thank you so much for replying. I'm glad to hear you're feeling pretty darn good. That gives me hope. Did you only have 3 nodes taken out or did you have all axillary nodes removed. I had just the 3 they all showed signs of cancer although the 2nd & 3rd showed just trace amounts but enough to show it has spread. You are not suffering from lymphedema? I've developed a huge hematoma that seems to be taking its time to dissolve. Its the size of a tennis ball under my arm and very painful. The surgeon drained a bunch of fluid from under my armpit, also. I do have a mild case of lymphedema still. Its very annoying and painful. My heart goes out to anyone that has more severe cases of this. No, I don't have a compression sleeve but I do exercises. I haven't seen a PT, yet. I'm waiting for the hematoma to disappear.  

    Its funny, I've taken pretty good care of myself, exercised, ate healthy, never thought I'd be diagnosed with BC. It doesn't run in the family so go figure. Thanks for telling me not to worry because lately that seems to be all I'm doing. Thank you for your advice and hugs to you, too, now and many more years to come. 

  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited January 2010

    annettie

    Hi  I just want to welcome you.  It will be three years in March that I was dx'd with bc...

    I am doing pretty good, and have started the next phase of my treatment...  switching from Tamoxifen to Femara...  

    This is truly the worst part of all this...  when you are just dx'd...  once you get all the info. from your pathology report, and know what you are facing, you can make informed decisions about your treatment.  I felt MUCH better once I decided on a treatment plan, and you will, too!

    Good Luck to you!  Please keep posting here, and let us know how you are doing.

    Hugs

    Harley

  • annettie
    annettie Member Posts: 50
    edited January 2010

    Hi Deanna, Thank you for answering and I'm sorry for what you have had to go through, also. I am  so ignorant about this stuff. I read what others have to say and they seem to understand so much about their cancer. I know I have invasive ductal carcinoma with metastatic carcinoma in one lymph node and traces of it in the other 2 nodes. The way I understand it, the cells were just activating in the other 2 nymph nodes. The tumor itself tested positive for estrogen (30% of the cells) and progesterone (80% of the cells) and HER2/neu with a score of 2+-3+...I forget what that means? I have so much information coming at me I can't remember everything. Its overwhelming. 

    I met with a radiation oncologist and he saw the problems I was having with the lymphedema and a hematoma I have under my armpit and he told me I could probably just get by with having the radiation therapy after chemo. But he said my lung would be involved and partially damaged from the radiation. I keep thinking that might be the way I'll go but need to get the second opinion. Did any of your other organs get damaged during your treatments? This is so scary for me.

    Anyways, that's where I'm at. Thank you for the website for the cancer centers. I hope all is well with you, Enjoy the new year. Thank you so much for the advice for the newbie!  

  • annettie
    annettie Member Posts: 50
    edited January 2010

     Hi Harley, nice to meet you. Thank you so much. I think that is where my problem is lying is deciding on what treatment plan and I'm making it more complex than it has to be. I have to relax and simplify. Can I ask what was your treatment plan from the beginning?

    Thank you so much for replying and I'll keep you posted. Its nice to know I have others to collaborate with now...:)

    Hugs to you, too,

    Annettie

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited January 2010

    annettie ~  You're not ignorant!  Like most of us, you will feel like you have a master's degree in bc by the time you've been here and dealing with it awhile.  There's a lot to learn; it just takes some time.

    I had chemo (not fun, but not as bad as I'd envisioned) and rads, and I'm happy to report that there is absolutely light at the end of the tunnel you're just entering.  I also had left side bc and was worried about heart and lung damage, but my radiation oncologist assured me that would not happen.  Perhaps a second opinion from another rad onc (like at The Mayo Clinc) would be good.  I know when I went to UCLA, I had all the specialists review my case in one afternoon, so I had a much better idea of what still needed to be done.  Hopefully, The Mayo Clinic has a similar program for women like you who have already had some treatment and need to know where to go from here.

    Of course it's scary for you, but hang in there!  You'll get through it, and taking the time to go to The Mayo and get opinions from docs of that caliber is a great step.  And you know, if the Mayo isn't convenient for you, after you consult with them, you can always take their recommendations back to your local docs.  That's what I did for some of my treatment.    Deanna

  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited January 2010

    Annettie,

    First, I'm confused... did you have your biopsy, and did I read that they have to take out more of your lymph nodes?   That would make sense, since I'm guessing they would want to have some idea of how many lymph nodes were affected, so they can get an idea about how far it may have spread. 

    ok...  I'll give you a run down of my stats.   I had  IDC, or Invasive Ductal Carcinoma.  I have read thru some of your posts.  I also never thought I would get breast cancer, it doesn't run in my family either. 

    My stats were:

    IDC  stage I, .8cm, grade 2, 0/16 lymph nodes, ER+/PR+,  HER2-  

    I had some difficulty deciding whether to get chemo, because even though my bc was fairly early stage, it was grade 2, which is intermediate.  My onc. suggested that I get another test called an Oncotype test.  That measures all kinds of characteristics of the tumor, and the score will determine your risk for recurrence.  But, I think it can only be done if your bc was ER+.  

    I don't think you have enough information yet to make an informed decision about your treatment. 

    I didn't want to get chemo, either, but my Oncotype score was 28, and that was right in the middle, so it was also intermediate.  Even though my onc was perfectly fine with me not getting chemo, I decided to go ahead and get the chemo.

    I was terrified, but I got 4 tx of Taxotere and Cytoxan, and everything went ok.  On March 15, it will be 3 years since I was dx'd. 

    I know that there is just SO  MUCH information you will have to sift through before making your decision.  So try not to worry too much until you have all the information...

    Post your info here when you get the report.  We can try to help you sort it out.  

    HUGS
    Harley 

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited January 2010

    I want to echo what you said to GryffinSong, Annette - that last line about "coming through treatment and feeling pretty darn is good" is the news we need to hear and keep hearing when we are scared, whether just starting out or having a wobbly day later on in the journey. Keep it flowing and remember to share when we get good news! Thankyou Gryffinsong

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2010

    Annettie, welcome!

    So sorry you've had to join us, but glad you found us. With all the information and decisions facing you, I certainly don't want to add to your confusion, so just let me tell you gently that a well-qualified lymphedema therapist could help you with both the lymphedema and the hematoma, so waiting may not be your best bet for now. If you already have some swelling, really best to get that well under control before further treatment, either more surgery or rads. The GOOD news is that lymphedema treatment is gentle and not invasive, and it doesn't even involve any more drugs. Here a page with information on how to find a WELL-TRAINED lymphedema therapist near you. Then all you need is a referral from any member of your medical team:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    I'll be looking forward with you to smooth sailing and a great outcome!
    Be well!
    Binney

  • GryffinSong
    GryffinSong Member Posts: 439
    edited January 2010

    Hi again! They did a sentinal node biopsy, found cancer in at least one of the sentinal nodes, so removed all the lymph nodes on that side. 3 out of the 18 were positive for cancer. As for lymphedema, my arm is fine, but I'm beginning to think I have some truncal lymphedema on my right side under my arm. The "booblet" (area of fat where the scar is) feels tender and heavy, depending on what I've been doing. As soon as I find doctors here in my new state (I just moved cross country) I'll ask about it. I find that stretching helps it feel more normal. I've read that a special bra would help me, but I don't have boobs left, and a sports bra can sometimes do more harm than good. I'm wondering if I should just gently wrap an ace bandage around my chest.

    Hugs and take care! We're all here for you!!!

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited January 2010

    Gryffin, how about a breast binder? They're in the "breast binders" section at the bottom of this page:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/breast_chest_trunckal_lymphedema.htm

    If you order one, get the lined ones -- the others are scratchy. There are lots of other options on that page too. Many of us with truncal lymphedema prefer camis to bras. WearEase makes a compression cami called "Slimmer" with prosthesis pockets that is very comfortable and comes up high under the arm to help with that area. It's here:

    http://www.shop.wearease.com/Slimmer-S.htm;jsessionid=A231515BC9BE81A9324C7927D6FD5266.qscstrfrnt05

    Be well!
    Binney

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited January 2010

    hi...I lived in MN for a while so I thought I would say hi.

    I am guessing with your node situation, you could have more nodes removed, or have rads on your axilla, they probably feel that you may have traces of cancer in other nodes but they might not be fully involved. If you had a lumpectomy you will have radiation anyway.

    There are ways to avoid damaging other organs during rads....rads on your front might be an option.

     Chemo is pretty standard if you are her +.

    I think your case is complicated enough to warrant a second opinion at Mayo.

    Good luck!!!!

  • annettie
    annettie Member Posts: 50
    edited January 2010

    Thanks to all of you for your encouraging words. To gryffinsong, I, also, have thought of putting just a elastic bandage around my trunk and underarm.

    @ Binney thank you for the websites that might help me to not have to put the elastic bandage around my trunk and underarm.

    To hymil, I couldn't agree more..good news is always good to hear.

    To Harley thanks for the info, I checked into the Oncotype DX but its something I have to discuss with my med onc. and I don't meet with her until the 15th of Jan. I had my biopsy and my lumpectomy and 3 lymph nodes taken out. They are telling me now they would like to take all the axillary nodes out. That is the part that is scaring me and confusing me. Thanks so much. I'm glad you're all healed as well.

    To cookiegirl, so you're a New Yorker now. It looks like you've been diagnosed not too long ago, also. How are you doing? Yes, they want to treat this aggressively. More surgery, chemo and rad. But I want to have the ability to use my arm like I did before. My job requires heavy lifting and I don't want to lose my job because of the lymphedema. I'm so confused. Thanks for the good luck wishes and same to you!

    You have all been a great source of help to me already. I feel alot stronger than I did yesterday or should I say 2 days ago. My Gosh! its 3:30 am! Time to hit the hay. I sure got carried away with this. Can I say time flies when you're having fun??

    Goodnite!

    Annettie 

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited January 2010

    gosh you are in a tough spot with the lifting. The good news is that new research shows activity is beneficial for lymphadema up to a point...the bad news it that it is very hard to judge what that is and there are a MESS of differing opinions.

    My hospital had a specialist come see me before I was discharged and my surgeon thought the advice was ridiculous...at the same hospital.

    You may need to ask for modifications. I know first hand WI has strong disability laws, I am guessing MN is pretty progessive on this too.

    I am doing ok, day 5 of rads.

    I digress, I think you should get a second op, since the decision about disection vs axilla rads is tricky. There is a lymphadema board here, also ask for a PT who specializes in the situation. I'm no expert.

     Good luck!

  • annettie
    annettie Member Posts: 50
    edited January 2010

    Hi everyone, I've got an appointment at the Mayo On Jan. 25th, 26th, and 27th. Hope I find some relief in deciding which direction to go after my visit. I, also, found another lump, only its on my right breast now. I had an ultrasound on it yesterday but not heard the results, yet. I hope this doesn't delay my healing in any way. Makes me question whether I should go with a double masctectomy?? I guess I'll have to play the waiting game once again with this new discovery. This is such a test to the flesh. Yikes!

    Nettie 

  • LouLou40
    LouLou40 Member Posts: 180
    edited January 2010

    Hello, with only having a couple of sentinel nodes removed I doubt you would have Lymphedema so early on. You probably have a fluid collection called a Seroma which is very common post surgery. My breast surgeon drained fluid that had accumulated in my armpit a couple of times, it dosen't mean you will develop Lymphedema, it just seems to be a post op thing, excess fluid accumulates and the body gradually absorbs it or the surgeon drains it with a syringe. I had an axillary node clearance nearly a year ago now and I'm back doing weights at the gym and no sign of Lymphedema.

  • annettie
    annettie Member Posts: 50
    edited January 2010

    Hi LouLou, thanks for replying. Congratulations! You're back to lifting weights? I'm glad to hear that promising news. Did you have pain in your arm with the Seroma? I never knew it had a name. The surgeon told me it was lymphedema (the fluid build-up) My scar is also very thick and hard. I heal with very thick, hard scars everywhere in my body. They hinder the healing process. 

    I not sure what you mean by an axillary clearance. Can you clarify what you mean exactly? Did you have a mastectomy? Did you have chemo and radiation? What are you doing for the Her2+++? I'm Her2+, also. What do they recommend for you? I see not too many have that listed as positive in their diagnosis. I don't know that much about it.

    Thank you again and it puts some of my fears to rest. Still have the "what if"s"  whirling around in my mind. Wish I could tame it to settle down...:)

    Take care. 

  • jancie
    jancie Member Posts: 2,631
    edited January 2010

    I wish I had some answers for you on the HER2 status - I am thinking they treat it with Herceptin?

    Believe me, if I am wrong, someone will come in really quick and set me straight Laughing

    I hope you get to the bottom of your lymphedema or seroma issue - whatever it is.  I had to quit my job or take a major risk of getting lymphedema with the work I was doing.  Heavy lifting of weights, repetitive motions are just two causes for getting lymphedema.  I do wear a compression sleeve and glove when I fly or do anything major like when I get into a housecleaning mode.

    I thought my world was going to end when I heard "you will need to do chemo" - It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be other than losing all of my hair and gaining 20 lbs from being on steroids.  Of course then I gained another 10 pounds going into menopause from the chemo so I am on a mission to get rid of the weight before I do any reconstruction so I will end up with the best outcome possible.

    I am glad you have an appointment set up.  Please take a friend or family member with you to take note, bring a notepad with you.  You will get overloaded with information and of course just the stress of knowing you have BC is enough to create short term memory loss.  I couldn't remember half of what was told to me by my different doctors in the beginning.  My mind just kept wandering.

    I chose to go the most agressive route possible (excluding masectomy).  I had no node involvement and could have gotten away without chemo but then it would have been hard to get a good outcome on my lumpectomy.  I had chemo first and it shrank my 4 cm tumor to the point where the doctor couldn't even feel it.  The relief is that I know my body reacts well to chemo.

    Hang in there, we will be here every step of the way for you.

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited January 2010

    Jancie is right.... Us Her2+ gals would pipe in if she were wrong...LOL.. Hi Jancie!

    She is right .... Her2+ is treated with HERCEPTIN... our miracle... :)

    PM my anytime if you wanna visit about being Her2.+.... about 20 % of Bc is Her2..... so.... only about 20% of us here probably are Her2+.... I am ... so I am offering my help... (((Hugs)))...

  • LouLou40
    LouLou40 Member Posts: 180
    edited January 2010

    Hello again,

    I had a wide local incision - breast conserving surgery, bit more tissue that a lumpectomy but not a mastectomy. I had 2 lumps (multifocal 2.1cm and 1.5 cm) located close together so my BS took a wedge of tissue, I have a chunk missing form my breast, but it still looks ok. I didn't have a sentinal biopsy first because I had multifocal BC my breast surgeon took my lymph nodes in the same operation, I had 10 lymph nodes removed 2 were positive, everybody has a different number of lymph nodes in their armpit.

    I did have a stiff arm for several months, it has taken daily stretching and exercisers to get full movement. The fluid that accumulated under my arm wasn't painful just annoying, felt like a tennis ball in my armpit. I also had cording down my arm which felt very tight, it did get better with the exercises.

    I'm like you, triple positive - that is ER+PR+ Her2+, so you get the full works, the jackpot in breast cancer treatment. I did 24 weeks of Chemo (AC x4 every 3 weeks, Taxol x 12 weekly), 6 weeks of Rads and Herceptin (wonder drug) every 3 weeks for a year. I commenced taking Arimidex after I finished Rads in Oct last year.

    I was diagnosed in Feb last year, finished Chemo in Aug, finished Rad late Oct and continuing on the Herceptin till June this year. I remained really well during treatment with minimal side effects, I had 9 months off work, but now back full time and busy with 3 little kiddies. The Chemo put me in menopause, but I have been lucky in that I didn't put on weight during treatment and remained really well and was able to exercise throughout out Chemo and Rads.

  • annettie
    annettie Member Posts: 50
    edited January 2010

    LouLou, I'm sorry for everything you went through. Thanks for sharing with me. Your situation is very similar to mine and I only have a moment to write but wanted to acknowledge that you are an encouragement to me. I will let you know more at a later time when I have a computer longer.(Its my son's and he needs it to do his college work on it right now.) I have a few more questions I'd like to ask but again at a later time. So, thanks again and its encouraging to hear you were able to exercise during chemo and rads and keeping up with 3 little kiddies....:)

     Nettie 

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