Extensive DCIS - 4 cm - Mast. or Rad
I had lumpectomy on 12/3 with no clear margins. Overall size of DCIS is 4cm. Re-excision on 12/10 with clear margins of .5cm. ER 1+, PR 2+, HER2 3+. I have seen quite a few posts from women whose DCIS size is smaller than mine and opt for mastectomy over radiation. I understand that this is a personal choice, but how do you decide which way to go? I keep going back and forth. Any guidance would be great. Thanks.
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Question for you- did you know the size of the DCIS from your mammogram or your lumpectomy. I was diagnosed with DCIS grade 3 on Dec. 23. I have my path report and my mammogram and I don't see anything with the size of my DCIS. I have a strong family history of breast cancer and am 35 years old. I am going to the surgeon for the first time today. It will be interesting to see what he recommends.
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No, I did not know the size from the mammo. The size is shown on my path report from the lumpectomy. I do not have a strong family history,but my grandmother was diagnosed in her late 70's. I just turned 40 and went for my first mammo and they found calcifications.
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You've probably already seen this but this comparison of the two treatment choices is good:
http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/surgery/mast_vs_lump.jsp
Please remember that with DCIS the survival rates are the same for mx and for lumpectomy with radiation. Recurrence rates differ but not survival rates. You definitely do not have a strong family history. The lumpectomy is done and with very good margins now.
I suppose that it comes down to which is more important to you - preventing a recurrence at all costs vs. keeping your breast (which means accepting a higher recurrence rate).
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I was diagnosed on Nov 19. DCIS stage 0 grade 3. They thought it was a very small area from the mammograms, biopsy, and MRI. I had a clear plan - lumpectomy, radiation, tamoxifen. I had my lumpectomy on Dec. 9 with no clear margins. I had the reexcision on Dec. 21 and my margin is within a mm. My surgeon said it is obviously more interspersed than they thought. My immediate reaction was I want a bimx and she agreed. I look back and wish I had never done the reexcision because I was going back and forth at that point but what's done is done. It just seemed so drastic when you are diagnosed with stage 0. I just talked to a friend last night who was stage 2 and she had chemo and radiation. She said the radiation was ten times harder and the fatigue lasted many months after she was done. I know everyone is different, but I now know that I will have peace of mind. I'm a worrier and I'm not sure I could ever settle down and believe it was really gone. I also talked to another friend who had the same diagnosis as us and she immediately wanted a bimx. When they did it, they found DCIS in the other breast and more in the diagnosed breast. It is definitely a personal decision. I have no history of any kind of cancer on either side of my family going way back. My BRAC test was negative. I go to the BS and PS on Jan.5 to get things set up for the surgery. I hope you are doing well and have a Happy New Year. Keep us posted and let me know if you have any other questions.
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Thanks for feedback on this. I didn't read far enough in these threads, but there was a post by ajmifaust on Dec. 23rd where Beesie responded with a wonderful answer. I am still torn, but it did help a lot.
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JillAnn, I was dx in 2007 with DCIS, I don't know what the extent was of my DCIS (how big it was), but I have a strong family history of breast/ovarian cancer (mother breast, aunt ovarian). I also have a personal history of abnormal mammo Jan 2005, biopsy with ADH (pre-cancer left breast), abnormal mammo Aug 2006 ADH (pre-cancer right), and third abnormal mammo Apr 2007 - DCIS right (same area as ADH 6 months earlier). My surgeon suggested I consider PBM after the 2nd dx of ADH. I was glad I had that 6 months to research my options before hearing the words, you have cancer. My decision was to do the bilat mast with recon with implants. My final path report showed more ADH in both breasts that didn't show up on the mammos. It is a very personal decision and you will hear pro-con for both procedures, you need to look inside yourself and make a decision that you are happy with and can live with.
Sheila
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JillAnn
Your post made me think about why I chose unilateral mast. on 12/7. It was possible that my BS could have gone back in for a second try for clear margins, but I did my research first. I asked a co-worker that had DCIS 8 years ago treated with lumpectomy and rad.( with a recent recurrence needing BMX and chemo) what she regretted most. She said the last 6 months of chemo. She felt like she missed so much of family life due to side effects. And wished she had the unilateral 8 years ago. Then I asked my BS what her patients regret most. She said the ones who have a recurrence, wish they had done the mast. and the ones who don't have a recurrence regret the loss of sensation on the side they had the mast. I weighed that info and for me the rt. mast. was the right choice.
I hope this helps even a little bit.
Jane
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When I was dx'd in June, I went with what the surgeon suggested...lumpec & rads. It was such a whirlwind, as I also went for my first mammo at 37, and there the bc was sitting there. Because I didnt have one lump like some folks, but had DCIS/IDC in different spots, I just dont feel comfortable that all the cancer is gone (or ADH) or that I wouldnt have a reoccurance in the 50 more years I plan to live
. Also, the idea of going through mammos, biopsies, etc. every year did not excite me, so I decided to schedule a BMX and DIEP reconstruction for this February 18. I believe my breast surgeon thought that because I was young, I would want to keep my boobs. It did give me time to research my options while still getting treated, and now I KNOW I am doing the right thing for my peace of mind. I dont know if I took them off in the beginning if I would have had regrets, but now I know I will not have regrets.
The bottom line for me was I didnt want to worry as much, didnt want to be squashed and stuck with needles, and wanted to feel that I had done everything possible to prevent a reoccurence.
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I'll just ditto what cakeisgreat said, as that is just how I feel. I went through all the options in my head over and over again....I certainly did not like ANY of the options, but the BMX (with DIEP) is the one I felt the least resistance to. That is the one I feel will ultimately provide my with the most peace of mind, and the least chance of reoccurence.
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I would have taken rads in a heart beat...thanks to a misdiagnosis 2 years before, I didn't get the choice. However, I don't have any family history and (I'm sure this is completely illogical) I was weirdly reassured by the fact that my DCIS got as large as it did (>7cm 1st excision, >3cm residual in Mx) without ever turning invasive. LOL I don't recommend you base your decision making around that.
MY advice to you is to take your time and discuss this fully with your surgeon...get a second opinion if you think another perspective will help. I got a second opinion from another surgical team at the same hospital, my surgeon is a man and this other surgeon who is a woman (and breast owner LOL) had a different slant on things but ultimately her perspective helped me to arrive at the same place. Good luck with your decision.
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I decided for Bital Mx and do not regret the choice. After lumpectomy 3/4 margins were cancer. I had double Mx and the path report showed DCIS in the right breast that was not on mammo or MRI in another area. There was no cancer in left, but I wanted the peace of mind . This is very personal choice. The thinking and waiting is the worst part. Once you come with yor plan, you will feel better and then starting fighting to the otherside.
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Thanks everyone. I went to go see my med onc yesterday. She said that she wouldn't recommend a bilat mx for me. It would still be up to me. But this is the 3rd doc that told me that. So I am opting for the 6 1/2 wks radiation. I can always look on the bright side. My cup size is DD, and my right breast shrunk a lot. So, I get to get a reduction on the left. So that will come later this year. Thanks for all of your support.
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