I miss having feeling in my boobs!!!!
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hornsemail
Sorry that you had to come to this discussion site but this is a great place to be for support and to cry to people that understand.
your post made me cry. I am having delayed grieving for my breast. I lost my breast 20 months ago. I was so focused on the recon process that I did not allow myself to grieve. Now that it is all done it has hit me that my real breast are not coming back..................... I have not had a natural O since all this started. I just cannot seem to get there without the breast stimulation and also knowing how my DH feels about the foobies. When we are intimate I always wear some sexy lingerie to cover the foobies so he will not have to look at the scars............. I have the LD flaps. I do having feeling all around my breast except for the flaps and under the arms.
I will be thinking of you on Wednesday. I pray for God to give you peace and that your surgery will go well without complications.
Linda
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I just wanted to add some reassurance to neversurrender and hornesemail in light of what everyone's articulated is a terrible loss. I had two separate mx when a second new BC was found - now starting over with TE in the latest one found.
On my first BC last spring, I did have the choice (although not recommended b/c of multi-focal) of having a huge lumpectomy. I met someone who had a lumpectomy, rads, chemo in her 40's (I'm also in my 40s). She had good and appropriate treatment, even with surgeon going back to make sure clean margins, rads, chemo, etc. Her prognosis was great, but 12 years later it showed up in mets. Good news is that she's been doing great for many years with consistent and great treatments and has a good life - BUT - she told me sometimes she could kick herself for just not having the mastectomy. This story helped me make the decision - although no one can every know if that would or would not have prevented recurrance and mets for her. I decided not to take the chance.
We all know there are no guarantees no matter what surgery we chose, and the grief and loss is so real and so hard - but I would never want to discourage or scare anyone from making what they (and their docs) feel is the most prudent decision to rid themselves of the disease. I have a wonderful husband of over two decades who loves me unconditionally and kids I need to raise - sounds like a lot of others are in similar situations. And as far as worrying about waking up and looking - if you have a great PS (like I do), you'll be pleasantly surprised. My first time I woke up and really had something significant there - it looked pretty good, made me happy and boosted my confidence and determination to get better. This has been such a helpful board for me - I've really needed this lately and hope in some small way my posts help too - all the best to those facing surgery and the rest of us working throught the emotions. Hugs and prayers.
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Kathy, you said it well.
I thought I would be really upset the first time I looked after my bimast, but I was actually relieved that the cancer was gone and I was cancer free. It didn't bother me. For me it was totally worth it. I do get down about our sex life, but it has only been two years and most of that time has been focused on treatment and surgeries and getting my energy back. I am also on anti-depressants and so is DH so that doesn't help anything either. Hopefully it will get better one day. The most important thing is I AM ALIVE.
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Kathy
Thanks for your post. I just wish I had found this site before my bi-lat MX....then I would have known what other women are feeling or have experienced in this process. I went into it blind. I know so much more now and the most important thing I have learned is that we are all different. We come here to vent, to cry and to support each other.
When I woke up from my Bi-lat MX and immediate LD flap recon I was pleasantly surprised that they look so good. No stitches, bruising or bleeding. A week later when my sister came from out of town and I showed her my recon, she said "I thought you had them removed"...they looked so good....
My DH was very supportive during all my surgeries. He just cannot pretend that they are real and treat them as such...I can understand that.....our life has changed and I have to accept the new and make the best of it.
:-)
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I also miss my breasts. They were small and the nipples were very sensitive. My sex drive is very low since the Bilateral mastectomy and it is not very pleasurable to have the girls touched.
I struggle w/ the numbness and tightness of my new girls. I was really surprised about the numbness in my upper arms and around the sides and parts of my back from the bilateral mastectomy. I should have asked the doctors more questions about the mastectomy and what to expect after, it may have helped me understand. It has been about 18 months since the mastectomy and the Onc said that what I have now is about all that I will get back. Not great news.
I am glad to be alive and try to stay positive. For those that are going to have a mastectomy, I wish you strength, courage and a speedy recovery.
(((((Hugs and Prayers))))) to all.
Cheryl
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Hi ladies -
Thanks to everyone who has shared their stories. I've been recently diagnosed with IDC and I'm planning to have a bilateral mastectomy as soon as possible. The decision to have the mastectomy was a no-brainer for me, but the recon is a whole other story... I've been leaning heavily toward no recon, and hearing how strange/uncomfrotable it feels to have numb breasts is just another thing to add to the list of cons. I know there will still be numbness, but I imagine it would be less noticeable if it's just a numb flat chest versus numb breasts. Is there anyone here who opted out of recon and can give me feedback?
And hornsemail - I can totally relate to your post. I am single, but I started dating someone right before I found the lump. He has been really supportive so far, but I have been kind of keeping my distance. The other day we were having a very open and honest conversation on-line, which was what we needed. He gently mentioned that he really enjoyed my breasts and was hoping for one last "interaction" before they were gone. Well, I just started sobbing - I wasn't expecting that reaction at all! I told him that it would be too difficult for me to do that, that all I'd be thinking is "This is the last time this is ever going to happen" and that I would be a wreck. He was very understanding, which was great, but now I worry that I'm going to look back on it and wish I had had one last hurrah... It's just so much more complicated because this relationship is new and I have no idea where it's going to lead. It's almost like giving up your virginity - I don't want to do it with the wrong guy and have to live with that memory. Tough decision...
Lisa
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I just want to thank everyone for their support, prayers and best wishes! Wednesday the cancer will be cut out of me and God willing there will be no need for chemo!!! (I only have to have chemo if it is in the lymph nodes and I say NOTHING WILL BE IN THE LYMPH NODES!!!) I am still scared, but I know I am going to get through this!!!
I did choose the bilateral mastectomy even though there is only cancer if the left breast......... to me it is better to be safe than sorry! And if my genetics testing comes back positive I will have a total hysterectomy in about a year. I have to get through this one first before I go through another surgery, but I will remove that as well!
But today my hubby took me bowling and then we came home and YES did it again and there was NO CRYING!!! YEAH FOR ME! Nothing was said about the cancer and he played, but not like they would be gone tomorrow, but he played and we just enjoyed it and IT WAS GREAT! I may not have won at bowling, but I WON TODAY!
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Don't know if I've already said this here, but doesn't hurt to repeat. I had a breast reduction about 6 years ago and had GORGEOUS breasts for a 50 year old last year! They never really felt like mine again though. It took over a year for my left nipple to regain sensation and I wondered the whole time if it ever would.
When I lost them to cancer I had no intention of reconstruction and I haven't regretted it for one second. I have a beautiful butterfly tattoo picked out, it was very important to me, but I had to wait a year. Now I think I want a new sofa instead! ehehehhehee
Interesting how one's priorities change.....
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llm822-
You asked if anyone opted out of reconstruction. I am someone who did. If you want to ask me any questions, you can PM me and I will try to answer.
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hornsemail
You have made me cry again....so thrilled that you got through "it" without crying. I am praying that your lymph nodes will be negative.also genetics testing.....NO CHEMO FOR YOU....you are a very big winner....((((((((((hugs))))))))))
barbe....hornsemail made me cry and then you made me smile....that could be a tough decision....sofa? tattoo? sofa? tattoo? I think I would go with the sofa LOL
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heyy,
I only had a lumpectomy in one breast with no reconstruction as of yet, and im not numb, but all i can feel in that breast, particularly the nipple, is PAIN.
Ah. I completely understand the sadness and irritance over it. I was recently wondering if anyone I knew would understand.. Thank goodness for this website. Keeps me a little sane I sware...
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Hello ladies!
WOW! I've read all your posts and am floored by your responses and so grateful to you all! I'm so glad I decided to start this thread....I was SO EMBARRASSED to do it for so long....I knew I wasn't alone, but its just so hard to articulate the feelings we have about this. And only others who have been there can relate, so THANKS and HUGS to you all!!!!!
I agree with so many who have said that choosing the mastectomy for peace of mind is better than dealing with more fear of recurrence. I chose the most drastic treatment for the smallest cancer, but I think I did the right thing. Especially when the pathology on the "good" breast came back with a spot "approaching DCIS"! I was 36 at diagnosis, and I have a husband and three beautiful girls to raise....and I"M GONNA BE HERE FOR THEM!!!!
As everyone has said....it all sucks no matter how you look at it. I'm just grateful that I"m here and everyone out there has some kind of battle I guess. I just miss my old self and my old sensations, and knowing they'll never be back is a HUGE loss.
I'm so glad that we all have each other here! You are all lifesavers!!!!
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Clare, with a mastectomy, all nerves are cut so there is no breast sensation, more like a skin and underlying muscle feel. The scar area can stay numb for a long time, if not ever! I had a lumpectomy at the early age of 21 but never had to get reconstructed as my natural breast filled in all the missing parts. Give your body a bit of time to heal and you may avoid further surgery. (My lump was so big it stopped me from lifting my left arm all the way. The doc said he knew it wasn't cancer because if it was and it was that big I'd be dead!)
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I just love these sites and the people on them - the greatest thing is that some of us can educate about reconstruction and also others can educate about not having recon and we can all support each other's decisions, while agreeing we'd rather have not joined the club to begin with! And we're all praying positively for NO NODES for Hornsemail!
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I am 3 weeks out of surgery. The breast has started to soften up a little. Is it only me or does the incision site fell really weird below the skin? It feels so different, I am not sure how to verbalize it. Is this normal? Thanks for everyone's support. I do not post often, but read daily. diane
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Hornsemail I wish you the best. I am debating if I will do both. I need the left one done and I am opting for both. You will be in my thoughts and prayers.
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i just don't have one of my boobs at all.
my ribs are so close to the outside of my skin that they pick up musical vibrations.. they almost buzz at certain notes. Actually, I think they do. It's not as if I can hear it.. but I sure can sense it.
it's very odd.
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I, like the rest of you, am happy to have survived and be alive, but I hate my boob. I had the mast and rads on the one side, so not only do I have no feeling, it looks nothing like the "real" one that had a lift and implant. I think you could hammer a nail in my boob and I wouldn't feel it. But the real question is, would the nail penetrate the hard radiated skin? I would rather have my 36 long boobs back!
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3girls,
I haven't been on the boards for quite qwhile. I SO know how you feel (no pun intended) Sorry to bore folks that have heard my story before. But, I think it will help you understand why I so greatly relate to you.
Had biopsy 8/08, had another biopsy 9/08, diagnosed with DCIS in left breast. Before mastectomy had MRI, ultrasound and mammogram to rule out BC in right breast. Had unilateral Mastectomy 10/08. On exchange date of 12/29/08, infection found and TE was removed. 4/09 had new TE placed. 7/09 exchange on left breast with lift and small augment on right.
It kind of embareses me to talk about, but like you I enjoyed the sensation of my husband touching my breast. To me it was a big part of our intimacy. Before my lift I asked my PS at least four times if I could lose my nipple sensation and he said no. Well, after my exchange and lift surgery both breasts looked terrible and I lost all my nipple sensation in my right breast. Needless to say I was devistated.
At my six month follow up 10/09 with my breast surgeon a biopsy revealed a 1cm cancer in my right breast. I had another mastectomy 11/9/09. My breast surgeon found me a wonderful new plastic surgeon and I had a lattisimus dorsi flap. He removed both of the previous implants and put in two new TE's. My husband saw me in recovery within 10 minutes after my surgery and said the new results were amazing, and they are. I still have my exchange and nipple surgery ahead of me.
I believe God has helped me to salvage something positive from this situation. Though finding another cancer was traumatic, because my sensation was taken from me in July, it made it easier for me to let go of my remaining breast.
Even with the hope I have with this new PS, I cry sometimes over my loss of sensation. There have been many moments I wished I could remember that last time when I had both breasts and could feel my husband's touch. But with all the chaos after diagnosis, I just don't have that memory I would like to be able to hold in my heart.
I think we can all agree we feel so blessed and grateful when our cancer is removed. But, it doesn't take away our incredible physical loss. My BC journey has been on-going since 8/08, and yet sometimes, out of nowhere the reality of what has been done to my body washes over me like a tsunami. My words are not to make you feel more sad about your situation, but just to tell you how much I understand. I hope you find comfort in knowing that people here truly understand your sorrow.
Candi
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Candi
I also have the LD flaps. I have feeling except for the flaps and some underarm numbness. I do miss the sensation of the nipples. It has been 22 months since I heard the word cancer for the 2nd time in my 56 yrs. Yours description of what has been done to your body washes over you like a tsunami is a very good description. I posted about my feelings of inner anger that finally exploded in a meltdown for me. The topic is "nearing end of recon, what now?".....It was good to find out that I am not alone and these feelings are normal. I wish I had talked about my feelings before now and maybe I would not have held it all in.
take care
Linda
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Linda,
I will pray for your continued recovery. I am rooting for you. I think you WILL get there--with time. You're faith is admirable!!!
My best,
Carole
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Thanks Carole
I already feel like a new person. I am even sleeping better. Before my meltdown I dreaded going to bed because I knew I would be waking every 2 hrs and looking at the clock wishing it was time to get up. Now I am waking maybe 1 or 2 times and going right back to sleep and in the mornings I have been staying in bed a little longer because the bed just feels so good.....a big change for me....thanks for your prayers
take care
Linda
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hi
l think it is very distressing when l lost my first breast l hated looking at my scar and hated wearing pros, and to loose another is deverstaing but it beats having cancer, l found it hard to come to terms with numbness and tinglng pain, l hated going to bed to lye either side was so hard but what a feeling when you have a clevrage back and a new lase of life,
l have nercrosis at the moment so both new breast which are my own flesh are very hard and feel uncomfortable but l have been reasured that this will disapear, but l am on early days, this is my 6th week of post op.
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hi dianenc
l am 6 weeks post-op and mine are rock hard, my PS said that they will soften given time,and l gently stroke my new breasts wth Bio Oil, l did not expect my breast to be this hard but something l have had to accept,
my PS as said it is dead fatty tissues called nacrosis, as we venture down the hurdles we learn more and help others to be aware that this is normal, when l had my BL Diep Recon, l did not have inplants because l had chemo and rads first and was told inplants after rads is not such a good idea, who knows better than a PS, we hav.e to put our faith in these surgeons as they are trying to save our lifes.
l do not regret having re- con but when you know the pit falls it makes you think to go through this op and have a failure which the chances are 5% would be deverstating to have them took off you again, l was one who thought l was going to loose them as l had to return to theatre but l was told it was a 20% of returning back to theatre, but l have been lucky that my PS gave it another shot and have positive results thank goodness,
and l am so gratefull my PS as said there might have to be a few adjustments but they can only be minor hopefully. best of luck to you girls out there and l pray for all of you.
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kyra Thanks for the post. As you said, the hurdles we have, will help others. I am very blessed that I do not have to have chemo or radiation. I am just going through recon. I feel very blessed to have found this site and learn from all of you.
Linda,I so feel what you do with bedtime. I have been able to solve the problems of the world at 3 am though. Hopefully my sleeping patterns will return to normal, whatever that is.
Candi, I so agree with your last paragraph. I can be driving along and all of a sudden it hits me without warning and I feel very depressed and anxious. I find when I do some physical activity, walking, it has helped.
I hope everyone has a great weekend. Stay warm. diane
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I'm so glad I found this thread I am meeting with surgeon Mon but after testing have decided on bilat mx. Over all of the concerns and losses this has been the hardest one to swallow which at this point I have shared with no one but my husband. He just says he wants his wife... I know I will miss the sensation more than anything else brings tears just to talk about it . I know God will see me through and give me strength maybe that kind of sensation elsewhere thanks for letting me vent
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I too can strongly relate to this post. I had a double mx March of 2009 with nipple sparing. My boobs look fabulous, I am the size I always wanted to be and yet, they are so foreign. I have moments when I hate them. Or maybe I am just hating the cancer.
Yes, not having sensation in my boobs have affected me sensually. I have tried to fight through this feeling as I have caught myself shining away from caresses. I often think, "whats the use" given that I can't feel it. I then I think how that is somewhat selfish given that my guy has experienced a loss as well; and gratefully, he forgets they are fake.
We never forget; and fortunately with nipple sparing I don't see any scars. However, my psyche is; my body is. I do hear eventually they just become apart of you. I am not there yet.
I have healed fine but continue to have difficulties with lymphadema and stiffness.
Peace and Blessings to all.....
Latrese
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The loss-of-sensation thing is something I only recently learned about as I'm making my decision to have a mastectomy... I don't understand why sensation is preserved when you have a super-big lumpectomy/reexcision, but it's impossible with a mx?? This is very depressing and is making me lean toward not doing a mx.... (I only have DCIS and I'm thinking that living with the risk of a recurrence rather than the DEFINITE of losing all sensation...)
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Hi, CrunchPoodleMama,I'm in a bad place today - so my answer may reflect that:I had DCIS, multifocal like you, but high grade (grade is important in this decision, btw). Lumpectomy/radiation combo was not recommended for me. Even so I wish I'd done it - that's how much I miss the feeling in the boob replacement thing (I will not call it a breast or boob, or even foob because it isn't).On the really bad days (like today) I hear the thought "I'd wish I'd never done anything." this is completely crazy - and I know I would not have made that decision - but it's out there - I think it sometimes.Here's what I understand about sensation in real breasts: that the nerves responsible for the erogenous feelings are small, hair-like strands and permeate the breast tissue. They cannot be separated from the breast tissue and saved. the sensation that some women get back in their reconstructions is related to nerve fibers that regenerate through the skin - very near the surface - but it's not that sexy feeling by any means - it's sometimes called protective sensation - in that it allows you to feel heat or something else that could harm you.So, maybe, sparing some breast tissue also spares those special nerve fibers and allows them to possibly regenerate.I think some breast surgeons (not plastic surgeons) are more skilled at preserving the other nerve connections - the ones that connect to the skin. I tried to find out about this - but as far as I can tell the oncology surgeons don't really care about life after cancer - just getting you there - and have never undertaken any studies to determine if surgical techniques during mastectomy can be fine-tuned to allow for a better chance of the return of some sensation.I think we're supposed to be grateful to be alive - even if it's only existence and not really a life. To ask for anything else is selfish when other women are dying.If I had to do it again, having learned from what I went through I would cross examine the breast surgeon to within an inch of his/her life:- how do you do this operation?- do you take the time to locate and preserve the nerves?- what's your track record? how many of your patients report permanent numbness in their arms or armpits from the node biopsy? - he probably won't be able to answer this because they don't bother keeping track - ba$+@rds.- do you take care to carefully dissect away from the chest muscle leaving it entirely intact? (unless there's cancer close to or invading the chest muscle - which is rare - there's no reason to take any muscle.)my pathology report showed that a "minimal" amount of muscle was included with the breast tissue - THERE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY!! He was just in too much of a hurry to take the time to dissect the tissue away. And for the record the cancer was no where near the muscle, so there was no reason to take it.This was a JOHNS HOPKINS BREAST SURGEON. So, I wouldn't go there unless you have some rare sort of cancer requiring special treatment unavailable elsewhere. And, I can feel the loss - I can't do what I could before at the gym - in spite of regular training - it's never come back. So - it matters - no matter what the @$$h@+ surgeons and their nurses say.Okay, back to topic. If I had the choice, I would have had the lumpectomy. Studies have shown that with early stage - like DCIS - cancers lumpectomy with radiation is as effective as total mastectomy in terms of risk of recurrence. That is cancer recurs at the same low rate in both groups. A lot of women are so scared when they hear CANCER that they just want the breasts off - so they don't have to think about it anymore. And, if that works for their peace of mind, then great. If you can understand about risk recurrence, you might be able to make a different decision.Good luck. If anyone wants to know the name of the @$$h@+ Hopkins breast tsurgeon PM me and I will tell you.
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I had bilateral DIEP 3-1/2 years ago, and have recovered absolutely NO feeling!! So, you're just lucky to be getting some back! I miss my boobs and the foreplay. My husband has NOT touched me since before diagnosis!! But he claims to be ok with whole thing...in counseling, but he still won't admit whatever it is that bothers him. He wasn't big on the nipple fondling, but I LOVED it!!
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