PA said it isnt Cancer
Well I recieved my DX on the day before Thanksgiving, I went to the surgeon for the 1st time on12/15 His PA came in the room first to do the H&P and in our discussion she said something to the effect that yes you have DCIS but it isnt even cancer. I am pretty upset at her I explain I had 2 plus weeks to research this dx and I understood some Drs call it precancerous She really insulted me and pissed me off at the same time. I said this is my body and I didnt care I wanted it out if they had to take 1 breast or both to be sure I really didnt care I just wanted it out. She seemed annoyed and she excused herself, after a few minutes the Dr came in the room and he was very nice but I still was not very comfortable with him, I dont know why he was pleasant but I had this feeling that he didnt want to waste his time talking, he said he recommened a lumpectomy but It was up to me. I told him my fears of it being in other parts of the breast and he replied well the ultrasound would show that. I then stated I hadnt had an untrasound and he seemed surprised and said he would order one. My confusion is how can I trust a Dr to do a lumpectomy and be successful if he doesnt read my full hx and chart how can he make a recommendation if he doesnt have all the facts and he doesnt even know he doesnt have the test. Well friday came and went and I still dont have an appointment for the Ultrasound but I do have an appointment for a second opinion because my opinion of the 1st Dr is not very high. I still think I am going to go for bilateral mastectomy because I am so scared of them leaving something behind. Im 52 years old and I dont plan on nursing any more babies and Im not going to become anyones wet nurse so I have no use for them anyway.My husband will have to get a new play toy until I can get new ones..
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PATM,
Sorry you had to go through a bad first appointment. Read the thread titled 'stop minimizing my diagnosis' and you will see that your dr is not alone. For whatever the reason, some drs and well meaning friends, seem to downplay this diagnosis. It is cancer, it is (thankfully) not invasive (yet). We are a fortunate group in that we do get the earliest diagnosis with the best prognosis, but it is still cancer and needs to be treated as such. And we as cancer patients need to be treated with respect and not feel like we are being patronized.
I was diagnosed Nov 12 and just recieved my surgery date for Jan 25. I am having BMX with diep reconstruction.
Good luck with the second surgeon. Fortunately, they are not all like your first one.
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I had the same fears and logic with my dx April 08. I am now finished with bilat mast and reconstruction AND WOULD DO THE SAME AGAIN! My suggestion is look for another doctor who is more compassionate and understanding. It is YOUR body and YOU have the right to participate (and decide) in your treatment decisions. Good luck
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Thank you so much I really appreciate the support. I go to the 2nd surgeon on this monday and I am very anxious. I think I will hear him out and explain how I felt from the 1st surgeon and then depending on how he explains things or how prepared for me he is, I will make my decision on which Surgeon to use but I think any will be better then the 1st and it really wasnt even him so much it was his PA and I'm sure she is the one I would be seeing most of the time so I definatelty think he is out.
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PATM ~
I also would go for another opinion or at least get another dr. who is more sympathetic to our diagnosis whether it be invasive or not. I posted my experience in the "stop minimizing" as well about my oncologist who was so insensitive to say DCIS was really "nothing"...just pre-cancerous which is REALLY not cancer. He told me this right after my single MX. I was suppose to go for my 3 month post op with him this month but am going to see someone else next month. Since mine was Stage 0 & did not require further tx (chemo/rads) changing oncologist at this point will not do any harm. My MX surgeon & PS (both females) were & are wonderful!!! They were not insensitive at all. My MX surgeon commended me for making the "right choice". The only reason I had to see the oncologist was for the Tamoxifin I am now on.
I also recommend what ever decision you make...come & check out the Exchange City thread. There is soo much info there...all are ladies just diagnosed, making decisions, in the process, etc. I could not have survived without any one of them or any of these wonderful forums!!!
God bless & pray that your appt. with a new surgeon goes well!
NAE
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After my biopsy I was told I did have cancer -- DCIS is cancer. I went to a surgeon who told me that DCIS grows very slowly and I need not worry. After my first lumpectomy, it turned out I had IDC (invasive cancer) that had not shown up on Mammogram or on MRI I had had. So a DCIS diagnosis CAN be treated, yes, with lumpectomy; but it depends on how large it is (mine was in two places) and also how extensive. I had a second lumpectomy that still didnt' get it all and ended up with a unilateral MX. I am happy I did that because I feel certain the cancer is gone (since all breast tissue is removed). I also had chemo prior to this final surgery (which I just had last week). In retrospect, a lot of doctors at first told me it was nothing to worry about, it was stage 0, etc... and as some find (like Nedeza who posted above me)... the diagnosis stays there at stage 0. In my case it didn't and the IDC was not identified/identifiable until after a large amount of tissue was remove from my breast. The biopsy (sterotactic needle biopsy) did not take enough tissue for them to find the IDC and my BS (my second, I dumped the one who told me that DCIS takes years to develop into cancer) told me that needle biopsies are not reliable (only 50%) for detecting invasive cancer.
I write all of this to say to you: follow your instincts and find a doctor who can trust, who takes your situation seriously and leaves you feeling cared for. Do research on lumpectomy/radiation vs. MX. Know all the facts and details of your pathology. Knowledge is power
Cheers,
Lilah
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I agree to follow your instincts. Fortunately the doctor who diagnosed me knew HER facts. After having a sterotactic needle biopsy & a surgical biop./lumpectomy that resulted in a diagnosis of mulitifocal DCIS in different quadrants of one of my breasts, I decided on the single MX. My BS adviced me that she did not feel comfortable with going back for re-excision & eventually "missing" some atypical cells...afterall my mammo did not show all of what she found during the biopsies. DCIS can have the potential to return & return invasive & aggressive. She did not TELL me to have the MX...she emphasized to look at the facts & research before I made the decision. My DH & I immediately began researching & concluded that a MX was my best option.
NAE
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I think going to see someone else is the best idea.
Just vote with your feet.
A person can get themselves blue in the face trying to decide about DCIS. In the end it needs to be removed. You're going to pay someone to do that and they should act nice.
My experience has been that if you get cross-ways with a doctor and his/her staff you'll never be happy with them. So just move on.
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DCIS is cancer. If you don't do anything it will become invasive. I have IDC. When I had my MRI areas showed up that were DCIS. It did not show on the mammo or sono. I had BM. The pathology report showed that the areas of DCIS were much more numerous than even the MRI showed. Not everything picks up DCIS. Go to a doctor you like and trust.
Good luck.
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I agree with everyone else.....find another doc.
My BS told me upfront that some people would tell me that my DCIS was not cancer, was pre-cancer, or whatetever. He made it clear that there can be no "pre-cancer"....then when I had the appt with the onc. (the one to whom he referred me), the first thing he said was, "isn't it good to know you don't have cancer?" I was dumbfounded. He was thorough, and his recommendation was the same as my BS, but I don't like it that he's not really treating this as cancer. Even the PS is treating it as the cancer it is.....sigh. Yes, I'm going to look for another onc.
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I agree with everyone - get another opinion. And you might want to consider going to a clinic that has a team - Oncology surgeon and Plastic surgeon who can do your mx and reconstruction together.
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I would like to thank you all for your input it really is such a big help. I go tomorrow afternoon for my second opinion.I am going to let him talk first and ask me the questions. Then I will see how I feel towards him. I am a little hesitant but It is my body my boobs and my decision and at this very moment if I had the surgical auth in my hand I would sign for a bilateral mx. I so want this crap out of my body and I want to sleep again and not wake up in the middle of the night trying to decide what to do I know right now at this very moment that it is the decions for me. I can get reconstructive surgery in the future my insurance will cover it, but at this time that is not even my worrry, I hate wearing bras anyway. When I was a teenager it was in the 70s and I was always geting yelled at by my father to go put a dam bra on and Iwas rebelious and said I wantedto burn them, Well I can now burn them.. Thank You Ladies I really am so greatful for all the responses I know this is for me I will feel a weight off my shoulders. Again Thank You Thank you Thank You
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PAT,
I sympathize with you on the sleepless nights. I also would wake up constantly with the choices and options running through my head. Once I reached my decision, it was like a weight was lifted from my shoulders. I think when you find the answer that is right for you, you just "feel it".
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Well hello everyone I just wanted to give an update. I meet with the second opinion surgeon today and I walked out of his office feeling so good. I am scheduled for a wired guided lumpectomy on 12/29. I really feel so much better after talking to him. My DCIS is low grade without Necrosis so he explained alot and spent alot of time with me and really made me feel so much more confident with the Lumectomy decision. When I walked in his office I was mentally prepared for a bmx but he really made me feel so much better. I have to say I really consider myself lucky at this moment. I feel good about my decision and I just want to end this with this year and start fresh in 2010. Again I cannot say it enough I thank you all for responding to my cry for help it was so helpful and very much Appreciated . I hope you all have a very HAPPY HOLIDAY and I will be in touch...Pat
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Good luck on your lumpectomy! I had that wired guided surgical biopsy/lumpectomy. Praying all goes well with you!
NAE
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Good Luck with your lumpectomy PatM. I think the decision that was made is the correct one. I hope you will be ok. I know you will. I just wanted to add, my doc announced I didnt have cancer, then I was handed a cancer bag and now am in radiation. I am still mad that they downplay DCIS. They need to be honest!
Best of Luck,
and Happy Holidays,
Jules
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Thanks Jules
God I hope I am doing the right thing. I still have bouts of doubt that the lumpectomy is going to get everything and that in 6 months or so I will be going thru this all over again. I dont know why I cant get over this fear. Thank you for your support and I will post as soon as I can with my results thanks again and I hope you have a Happy New Year.
PatM
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Hi Pat,
So glad you found a doctor that took the time to explain why they recommended lumpectomy. I just had my wire-guided lumpectomy on 12/21. And, my DCIS was Grade 3 with necrosis, and multi-centric. Unlike you, I desperately wanted lumpectomy over mx. This was my own personal desire and I would never fault or judge anyone who chooses mx. I never told my BS that my preference was for lumpectomy and once he saw my mammo slides, he called to tell me that I was a candidate for lumpectomy. I was so relieved. I will now do radiation and Tamoxifen.
You have Grade 1 DCIS. Your chances of recurrence are very low, with either lumpectomy or mx. Very glad your second doctor didn't downplay the dx and gave you the respect of explaining why he recommended what he did.
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