Womens College Hospital and Jewish women

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mke
mke Member Posts: 584

There were a couple of things on CBC radio today about some study at Womens College for Jewish women of Akenazy (sp) descent.  Apparently they are at a somewhat elevated risk for carrying the BRCA genes and additionally have some mutation that makes them very easy and inexpensive to test.  They did a study on about 2000 women and now want to expand the study to another 5000 women.

It might be worth checking out if you have any Jewish friends or relatives.  It will probably hit the papers tomorrow and there will be more reliable information.  I was just listening to the radio while driving so my attention was divided.

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2009

    Just to add a little bit of info:

    The co-discoverer of the BRCA1 and 2 genes, Dr. Steven Narod, is at Women's College Hosp. Research Institute.  I had read that he and colleagues were expanding an ongoing study amongst Ashkenazi Jewish women, who are at greater risk for carrying the gene(s).  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2009

    This is not news. Jewish women of Ashkenazy (i.e. European) descent are being tested for BRCA 1 and 2 mutations for years. And it's a common suggestion that they're in the risk group to have those genes mutated. Dr. Narod himself told her that a year and a half ago.

    My wife got this test at the same moment they've heard she's Ashkenazy Jewish. The result was negative though.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2009

    FYI There's more explanation on the front page of today's Globe and Mail.

    I didn't realize that they can use a saliva test to determine if the mutations are present, and then do a follow-up blood test to confirm the results of the saliva test.

    My sister was tested about 4 years ago -- it took 5 months to get the results......negative.

  • smirks44
    smirks44 Member Posts: 77
    edited December 2009

    I havent seen this in the news over the last few days (I will take a look at the Globe though!  I would like to read the article!!), but I believe that what is different about Dr. Narod's current study is that he is testing women of Ashkenazi descent even if they dont have a history of breast cancer in the family.   

    I think the current statistic is that in the  Ashkenazki population 1 person in 40 is positive for a BRCA mutation.  It will be very interesting to see how this study affects those numbers.  (edit:  I just glanced at the Globe Article, and the stat it is quoting for the Ashkenazi population is 1 in 100)

    The comment above about this population being easier and more inexpensive to test refers to the fact that there are 3 very common mutations found in this population (founder mutations), so instead of testing for all of the possible mutations, they start by looking for those 3 when testing this population (two on BRCA 1 and one on BRCA 2 I think....).  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2009

    Yes, Linda, in our case it took around 4 months too...

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited December 2009

    I read the article this morning.  smirks, as you indicate, the focus of the article is the fact that although it's known that women of Ashkenazi Jewish descent are at high risk, in Canada and the U.S. they still don't qualify for BCRA testing unless they have some additional risk factors.  And that means that many women who carry the BRCA mutation don't get tested and often aren't even told that they are at risk. This program aims to address that, by offering free screening to woman of Ashkenazi descent even with no history of breast or ovarian cancer. 

    In my case, I was tested, but only after my diagnosis.  I tested negative, and I too had a 4 month wait for the results. 

    Here's a link to the article, and I've copied the whole article below: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/jewish-women-in-ontario-offered-free-genetic-test-to-prevent-cancer/article1399826/

    Jewish women in Ontario offered free genetic test to prevent cancer

    Nara Abrams turned 35, had a hysterectomy and went into menopause all in the same day.

    By choosing that surgery and a double mastectomy, many might assume she had cancer; in fact, she was trying to prevent it, making her part of a growing group known as "previvors."

    "It's a very bizarre thing. You are a healthy person and you go in for a prophylactic surgery," said Ms. Abrams of Thornhill, north of Toronto. "I would never have imagined this would have been me."

    Ms. Abrams had the operations after a saliva sample taken last year sealed her genetic fate. She learned she carried a BRCA1 genetic mutation, putting her at high lifetime cancer risk - 70 per cent for breast and up to 40 per cent chance for ovarian - despite no family history.

    She took part in a study that revealed that 1 per cent of the Jewish women in Ontario carry the genetic mutation.  But more than half those women - including Ms. Abrams - would not meet the criteria in current provincial guidelines to be eligible for genetic testing.

    No one in Canada or the United States does BRCA testing based on ancestry.

    Recognizing that Jewish women are at significant risk of those two cancers - but many are ineligible for genetic testing in Canada - Women's College Hospital Foundation is planning to use its philanthropic dollars to pay for up to 5,000 more female Ontario residents to undergo screening. In doing so, it has provided one of the rarest moments in science: study results prompt instant action.

    "We want to make sure that people who want the test get it," said Steven Narod, senior scientist at Women's College Research Institute and a study author. "We want to prevent cancer."

    Once women learn they have genetic mutations, they have choices: specialized screening to help detect cancer in its early stages, drug therapy to help reduce the risk or prophylactic surgery to reduce risk severely.

    In this study, the screening of 2,080 Jewish women in Ontario led to the identification of 22 women with BRCA1 or BRCA2 genetic mutations. Eight additional women - sisters, mothers, daughters and aunts of those who tested positive - were also found to have mutations, bringing the total number of identified women to 30, according to results published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology.

    The mutations would not otherwise have been discovered in 12 of those women because they did not fit guidelines in Ontario or most of Canada. Typically, only those who are referred by a physician and have a strong family history of the disease or who have a history of those two cancers are eligible. While another 10 women who tested positive for BRCA mutations would have qualified, none were referred by their health-care provider.

    Health-care providers have generally underestimated the significance of a family history of breast cancer on the father's side. However, further testing of families of the 22 who were positive for the mutation showed that more than half of the women inherited it from their fathers.

    "Women don't understand it can be passed through a father," said Kelly Metcalfe, lead author of the study and adjunct scientist at Women's College Research Institute. "Physicians don't [always] know that, either."

    The decision to screen has considerable implications for families: if a woman tests positive, she inherited the genetic mutation from a parent. That means her children run a 50-per-cent chance of carrying the gene, as do her siblings.

    Women who test positive for the mutation, but do not have cancer, used to be known as unaffected carriers. But Sue Friedman, executive director of the group Facing our Risk of Cancer Empowered, [FORCE], changed all that and labelled them Previvors - women who survived a predisposition - an enduring term that has become part of the cancer lexicon.

    "They kind of felt like they were marginalized," Ms. Friedman said in a telephone interview from San Antonio, Tex., where she was attending a conference last week. "They did not fit into the survivor community, or the healthy community."

    Ms. Friedman was at higher risk of having the breast cancer mutations simply due to her Jewish ancestry.

    One in 100 of the Jewish women studied carried the genetic mutation, according to the report. That compares to an estimated one in 400 individuals in the general population who carry a mutation in BRCA1 or BRCA2.

    Women of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, a group with mainly Central and Eastern European ancestry, are at increased risk. And, while this Canadian study was open to all Jewish women in Ontario, many of those affected were Ashkenazi.

    The vast majority of Canada's Jewish population is Ashkenazi: 327,360 out of a total of 370,055 according to figures from Charles Shahar, chief researcher of the national census project for UIA Federations Canada. About half - 165,175 of the Ashkenazi Jewish population - live in Toronto.

    As for Ms. Abrams, a founding director of a charity, she learned she inherited the gene from her mother, who died of leukemia two years ago. She chose surgery, and in April had a hysterectomy and in July, a double mastectomy.

    "It's not the choice for everybody. For me, personally, I couldn't live with that fear of uncertainty, just waiting for cancer to happen," said Ms. Abrams, a mother of two. "I needed to remove the fear."

    THE TEST

    The test is relatively inexpensive to do. At $25 per patient, it cost about $50,000 to find 30 mutations. However, those costs do not include added costs of genetic counselling, laboratory technician time and doctor consultation times.

    It is provided at no cost to patients. However, only those who live in Ontario, are willing to travel to Toronto and are aged 20 to 70 are eligible.

    To enroll, call 416-351-3795 or visit the website at http://www.womensresearch.ca/jewishstudy.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2009

    Thanks, Beesie!

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited December 2009

    There was also an article on the front page of The Star. I carry the BRCA2 mutation. It took only a few weeks to get the results because my first cousin had already been tested and the lab used her results as a place to begin. We have had many women, including my mother, die of bc before we even knew of the gene. There is a BRCA support group now in Toronto. I was taken into the familial clinic at Sunnybrook 12 years ago because I'm Jewish and my mother died of bc. Despite being closely followed I have had bc 2 times (2 different primaries) .... I have sons but now I worry about my grandchildren ... my 2 year old granddaughter has a 50% chance of carrying the mutation ..... how far will medicine come in the next 20 years so that she doesn't have to face the decision of removing her breasts and ovaries.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited December 2009

    hrf, not to add to your concerns, and I'm assuming you already know this, but in case not, with the BRCA2 mutation, the men in your family are at greater risk of prostate cancer.  So if your sons did inherit the gene from you, then it's not only your granddaughters who may be at risk, but your sons and your grandsons as well. 

    I'm Ashkenazi Jewish on both sides of my family.  On my mother's side there have been a couple of cases of breast cancer (my mum and my aunt) as well as a case of stomach cancer (my grandmother).  My father's side of the family is very small and there's only been one female per generation for several generations, but on this side there's a history of prostate cancer (my grandfather and my dad).  So when I went in for genetic counselling, based on the family health history the counseller told me that there was a possibility of the BRCA mutation on either side of my family.  As it turned out, there was nothing, although in truth I'm placing my bets on there being some other mutation that's yet to be discovered.

    BRCA Mutations and Risk of Prostate Cancer in Ashkenazi Jews http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/10/9/2918.abstract

    BRCA2 Mutation "increased risk for other cancer types, such as pancreatic, prostate, laryngeal, stomach cancer, and melanoma"  http://cancer.stanford.edu/information/geneticsAndCancer/types/herbocs.html

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited December 2009

    beesie, my son went through genetic counselling as part of the process to do the testing. So we do have all the details regarding increased risk. I have known for a long time about the other risks so I have no doubt that at some point the BRCA2 mutation will get me. BRCA2 seems to be worse than BRCA1 in this regard. I agree with you that there are other mutations that have not yet been identified. ....is this what it means to be "the chosen people"?

  • mke
    mke Member Posts: 584
    edited December 2009

    I'm not Jewish and I haven't been tested for the BRCA genes but having had BC 3 times I am concerned for my sons (I only have sons).  They are subject to another known genetic malady through their father.  He and I have both decided not to get tested as in both cases it is a later onset occurence disease and there will be much more info for them leter.

  • NieceeSchonberger
    NieceeSchonberger Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2009

    It is true that Ashkenazi Jewish (AJ) women are at increased risk of carrying a mutation in one of the BRCA genes. The study that was discussed here just relates to women in Ontario, Canada, However, any AJ woman is considered to be at increased risk simply based on her ethnicity and most insurance companies recognize the increased risk and will cover the cost of the analysis. I am the Coordiantor of the Genetic for Life program at Sharsheret, a national not-for-profit organization for Jewish women and their families facing breast or ovarian cancer. As a Certified Genetic Counselor, I am happy to discuss genetic testing with anyone who has questions. I can be reached at (866-474-2774). We also have a blog at www.sharsheret.blogspot.com, where you can find out about our programs and post your comments.

    Niecee Schonberger, M.S., CGC

  • Mantra
    Mantra Member Posts: 968
    edited December 2009

    I was tested in late Sept and just received the results . . . negative for BRCA 1 & 2. I'm not exactly sure what the criteria is for testing but I was accepted for testing because of my Jewish descent and because I had breast cancer. I'm 57 and don't really have a strong family history of BC or ovarian cancer although I have one first cousin with ovarian cancer and another with breast cancer (both were dx in their early 70's). 

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