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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2009

    All, have you used cilantro to "chelate" out heavy metals?

    http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/detox/cilantro.htm

    I buy it in the super market and blend it into gaspacho. They have tested blood and urine for lead levels before and after cilantro and shown it reduces levels.

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  • deni63
    deni63 Member Posts: 601
    edited December 2009

    I have read about cilantro being a chelator. I use chlorella for high levels of mercury in my system. My last heavy metal test showed my mercury decreased substantially since starting this regime. It takes time though.

    I would never take a "supplement" that has a list of extra ingredients like this:

    Calcium Carbonate, Dibasic Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Oxide, Potassium Chloride, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Starch, Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C), dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vit. E), Crospovidone. Contains < 2% of: Acacia, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Beta Carotene, Biotin, BHT, Calcium Pantothenate, Calcium Stearate, Chromic Chloride, Citric Acid, Cupric Oxide, Cyanocobalamin (Vit.B12), dl-Alpha Tocopherol, Ergocalciferol (Vit. D), FD&C Blue 2 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Red 40 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Yellow 6 Aluminum Lake, Folic Acid, Gelatin, Lutein, Lycopene, Magnesium Borate, Magnesium Stearate, Manganese Sulfate, Niacinamide, Nickelous Sulfate, Phytonadione (Vit. K), Polyethylene Glycol, Polyvinyl Alcohol, Potassium Iodide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vit.B6), Riboflavin (Vit.B2), Silicon Dioxide, Sodium Aluminum Silicate, Sodium Ascorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Borate, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Metavanadate, Sodium Molybdate, Sodium Selenate, Sorbic Acid, Sucrose, Talc, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vit.B1), Titanium Dioxide, Tribasic Calcium Phosphate, Vitamin A Acetate (Vit. A), Zinc Oxide. May also contain: Lactose (milk).

    WOW! That's just crap.

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  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited December 2009
    That IS crap. And shoud not even be HERE!
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  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited December 2009

    Deni-what test did you do for heavy metals? I am going to get tests done this week and would like to add a mercury test to the jumble.

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  • deni63
    deni63 Member Posts: 601
    edited December 2009

    Viv - there is a test you can do for heavy metals. My ND does it in his office. You take a DMSA pill and then capture your urine for 6 hours. You send in a sample of the urine. The DMSA is a chelator. It tests a whole bunch of heavy metals.

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  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited December 2009

    I take milk thistle occasionally for the ol' liver, but that's about it. 

    Calcium Carbonate, Dibasic Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Oxide, Potassium Chloride, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Starch, Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C), dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vit. E), Crospovidone. Contains < 2% of: Acacia, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Beta Carotene, Biotin, BHT, Calcium Pantothenate, Calcium Stearate, Chromic Chloride, Citric Acid, Cupric Oxide, Cyanocobalamin (Vit.B12), dl-Alpha Tocopherol, Ergocalciferol (Vit. D), FD&C Blue 2 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Red 40 Aluminum Lake, FD&C Yellow 6 Aluminum Lake, Folic Acid, Gelatin, Lutein, Lycopene, Magnesium Borate, Magnesium Stearate, Manganese Sulfate, Niacinamide, Nickelous Sulfate, Phytonadione (Vit. K), Polyethylene Glycol, Polyvinyl Alcohol, Potassium Iodide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vit.B6), Riboflavin (Vit.B2), Silicon Dioxide, Sodium Aluminum Silicate, Sodium Ascorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Borate, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Metavanadate, Sodium Molybdate, Sodium Selenate, Sorbic Acid, Sucrose, Talc, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vit.B1), Titanium Dioxide, Tribasic Calcium Phosphate, Vitamin A Acetate (Vit. A), Zinc Oxide. 

    Eek! And to think I used to think my father-in-law was nutty for saying they intentionally put carcinogenic garbage into processed food, drugs, and even vitamins. Wow. 

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  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited December 2009

    I did Milk thistle for a while. It made me itch like crazy so I had to stop. Now I realize it was a detox symptom. I just found a liver support that contains nothing but herbs and uses coconut oil and water to carry it. The herbs are: oregon grape root, dandelion, goldenseal, milk thistle, red clover, rhubarb, gentian root, and prickly ash bark

    Hey I pretty much have all of that stuff growing in my yard. Maybe I should just make my own tea! I especially have a lot of the dandelion.

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  • Twa
    Twa Member Posts: 40
    edited December 2009

    PoodleCruncher, which of those compounds is carcinogenic?

    Or do you define carcinogenic as "big chemical words I don't understand"?

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  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited December 2009

    Aye yai yai, what is happening in this country. Let's pick one at random, Nickelous Sulfate:

    Hazardous Substances Databank Number: 1114
    Nickelous Sulfate is classified within the National Library of Medicine's Hazardous Substances Data Base (HSDB) as an animal and human carcinogen. It is classified by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) as immediately dangerous to Life and Health, and a potential occupational carcinogen. Its primary industrial uses are for nickel plating, as a fungicide, an anti-rusting agent, as a mordant for dyeing and printing textiles; coatings; ceramics. Nickelous Sulfate is produced by dissolving nickel oxide in sulfuric acid producing nickel sulfate hexahydrate.

    Ah, but surely all those healthy FD&C Aluminum Lake dyes are good for ya!

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  • deni63
    deni63 Member Posts: 601
    edited December 2009

    Crunchy - do rude people not know how to use google? Surely they would find for themselves that many of the "extra ingredients" in their supplements are not good for one's health. Sigh. Why do we have to do all the work??

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  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited December 2009
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  • Twa
    Twa Member Posts: 40
    edited December 2009

    Cruncher, that is eye-opening.

    Do you know of a multi-vitamin that is grocery-store available and doesn't contain any suspected carcinogens?

    I plan to contact Wyeth about the nickelous sulfate. I suspect they will answer that the amount is too low to be of concern, which I'm not saying is right, but it is a typical response.

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  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited December 2009

    Joytotheworld, you wrote: ".......heaven knows that I feel better now than I have in years and years" (talking about the value of nutrition and informed supplementation).

    Same thing here! Sometimes, I can't believe how good I feel, I had literally forgotten how it feels to feel this way. The last time I felt this good was probably BEFORE I turned 20!

    I have spent more than 10 years battling Irritable Bowel and upper respiratory inflammations with all kinds of drugs, and kept getting worse. And worse. And worse: My irritable bowel had actually gotten out-of-control. Until I discovered the probiotics (food type)....And I haven't had ANY digestive problems ever since. Like you, I have added tons of vegetables, fruits, and legumes, many "exotic", to my diet.

    I also have been going 8 months now without a flu or sinusitis, without any flu shots (sure, I feel "challenged" from time to time, like I am "coming down" with something, but it hasn't actually  happened). But some still cannot see how nutrition helps fight cancer by maintaining overall health.......Well......

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  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited December 2009

    Yaz-You are so right. Food is the best medicine, or the worst poison. It is the most important choice we make. I too, cannot believe how much better I feel. I just keep kicking myself for not being on this bandwagon before. I do believe I would have never gotten bc. But that is the great thing about life. We can live and learn from our mistakes or we can choose to ignore them and repeat them. All I know is that folks who say it does not matter, are not willing to make the effort. I never want to go back to my old lifestyle.

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  • DGHoff
    DGHoff Member Posts: 624
    edited December 2009

    Twa- I'm sorry, but I don't think you can really find a decent multi-vitamin at a regular grocery store, although if they have a natural foods section as many grocery stores do now, you might find something better there. Most grocery store brands are full of artificial colors and binders, and very often, the type of vitamin or mineral used is not the kind that is most easily absorbed by the body.

    Good quality supplements that actually do something for you do cost more, but you can find very good prices online at places like vitacost.com.  I don't have a specific recommendation for you as one supplement does not fit all. I don't know what your needs might be, but I think if you poke around on vitacost, you'll find lots of options. Source Naturals is a good brand as is Rainbow Light or NSI. I'm sure one of these companies makes something that would probably be suitable. I'm glad you are open to looking for another option!  

    DeAnn 

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  • kuchagirl
    kuchagirl Member Posts: 66
    edited December 2009

    Yikes.  My basic, ol' Centrum Silver vitamin pill has Nickelous Sulfate. 

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  • Twa
    Twa Member Posts: 40
    edited December 2009
    DeAnn, thanks for that info. I will look at vitacost.

    Why would I not be open to other options? I think folks here have some very skewed perceptions of me. I actually am not a troll, but I do believe firmly in treatments that are characterized and whose risks and benefits are known. And charlatans who make promises to desperate and frightened women anger me. That's where I'm coming from.

    That said, supplement-wise, I mostly take a multivitamin for the trace elements. I have a generally organic/natural diet with some, but not a lot of processed food. I'm pretty good about getting 5 servings of fruits/veggies daily. I'm sure my intake of the lettered vitamins is fine. I don't want to get into taking 20 pills a day, each of which contains the tiny amounts of copper, manganese, etc. that we need, which is why I like the multivitamin approach. As we quickly unload the excess B vitamins, I don't mind getting extra.

    Again, thanks for responding. If you know of a natural product that is more "trace element" than vitamin, I'd love to hear about it.

    Is anyone a member of ConsumerLabs? They rate vitamins and supplements, but I'm just not eager to pay $30/year to see the results.

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  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited December 2009

    Do you know of a multi-vitamin that is grocery-store available and doesn't contain any suspected carcinogens? 

    I don't generally buy anything packaged from grocery stores any more (unless it's organic and I know what each ingredient is) so I can't help there, but I second the vitacost.com recommendation. Vitacost spells out very clearly on each product's page what all the ingredients are (and, for convenience, it usually lists items of concern that are NOT included). 

    I just did a quick search on Vitacost for "trace minerals" and a number of promising-looking items popped up, such as this one.  Although Vitacost has proven to be very reputable and I haven't found any carcinogenic vitamins there yet, it's ALWAYS important to go through the ingredients list with a fine-toothed comb to be sure nothing questionable has been snuck in. 

    I plan to contact Wyeth about the nickelous sulfate. I suspect they will answer that the amount is too low to be of concern, which I'm not saying is right, but it is a typical response. 

    Yep, that's been the "Big Food" party line for as long as I can remember. When I found out as a child that artificial sweeteners cause cancer, I was horrified, until my mom dismissively told me "Oh, you'd have to consume 100x your body weight for it to cause cancer." That answer pacified me, unfortunately... just as it pacifies millions of people who blithely consume numerous carcinogens daily.

    It wasn't until years later that I got to thinking... hmm... each of these tiny amounts of carcinogens alone probably won't cause a person to have cancer. But what happens when thousands of all these various carcinogens interact together?? It's not just the sheer quantity of carcinogens we're exposed to (in what we eat and drink, smear all over our skin, and breathe), but the unknown additive and synergistic interactions between them that are most concerning. 

    BTW, to any other Centrum devotees who may be reading this, nickelous sulfate is only one of 12 known carcinogens on that ingredients list. Quite a few more are likely carcinogens (cause cancer in animals but have not been tested on humans). Please research what you ingest, whether it's food or vitamins/supplements, I urge you.

    I do believe firmly in treatments that are characterized and whose risks and benefits are known. And charlatans who make promises to desperate and frightened women anger me. That's where I'm coming from.

    You would probably be surprised to find out that most of us here agree. We are not into unproven snake oil potions here. 

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  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited December 2009

    And let me stress again what Julia is saying above:

    ......I do believe firmly in treatments that are characterized and whose risks and benefits are known. And charlatans who make promises to desperate and frightened women anger me. That's where I'm coming from.......

    Julia wrote: "You would probably be surprised to find out that most of us here agree. We are not into unproven snake oil potions here".

    Julia is absolutely right: we totally and completely agree.

    That's why we have ALREADY done the conventional. We would like to see the conventional become more open-minded and accept the fact that, despite fantastic/undeniable victories in the areas of epidemiology, bacteriology, surgery, and the treatment of trauma, "conventional" can still make GREAT progress by integrating elements of other medical systems (featuring thousands of years of wisdom), notably in the area of degenerative/chronic illnesses.

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  • DGHoff
    DGHoff Member Posts: 624
    edited December 2009

    Actually, if minerals are the key thing you are looking for, I would highly recommend, if you aren't doing this already, to add green smoothies to your daily diet. They couldn't be easier to make, they taste great, and leafy greens have loads of minerals in them. No snake oil here (which I think we can all agree is not what any of us are looking for), just honest food that you can buy at any grocery store. After all, Hippocrates himself said, "let food be thy medicine." 

    A useful book to read is "Green for Life" by Victoria Boutenko. She has done an enormous amount of research on leafy greens and their importance in our daily diet. I've tried inputting my daily food intake into nutritiondata.com or fitday.com to get a breakdown of my intake by all the different nutrients. I find that with most of the minerals I easily get 100% of the RDA just by drinking a few glasses of green smoothies. Usually calcium and selenium are the only ones I'm not always 100% on, so I do supplement with a liquid calcium/magnesium supplement. And you can get all the selenium you need in a day by eating a couple of raw brazil nuts. 

    I do, volume-wise, about 60% greens to 40% fruit, in the blender, though if you are just starting out making them, you might want to reverse that equation until you grow more accustomed to the flavor of the greens. Spinach and romaine are very mild flavored, whereas some of the others like, kale, or watercress or arugula have a much stronger flavor, but you definitely want to try a wide variety of different greens to get the best mineral balance. By doing a green smoothie for breakfast, I also easily get 4 to 5 servings of fruits and vegetables in just one meal!  (I usually fill up a 32 oz jug and drink it on my way to work and throughout the morning)

    Just google green smoothie recipes, and you will get oodles of ideas, or if you want some tried and true combinations, I will be glad to share some with you.  I preach the green smoothie gospel to just about everyone who will listen! Laughing Plus kale is one of those all important cruciferous veggies, so you get the anti-cancer benefits of that as well. 

    DeAnn 

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  • deni63
    deni63 Member Posts: 601
    edited December 2009

    I read Victoria Boutenko's book and it was great. I first read her book, "12 Steps to Raw Foods" where she talks about her introduction into raw foods and how it changed her health and the health of her family members. She talks a lot about green smoothies in that book as well. I don't think I could go as far as she did with raw foods, she went completely cold turkey and never used her stove again. But, I think it is very important to incorporate as many raw fruits and veggies into your diet everyday as possible. At least half of your total intake should be raw for optimum health. Green smoothies count! As does juicing and salads, etc.

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