Question: Why does ILC mostly happen to post-menopause women?

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  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited November 2009

    Kathy,  I'm so sorry this has happened to you.  Since you have been through the whole process before, you know what to expect.  I don't know if that makes it worse or not. I would have thought that having chemo the first time would wipe out microscopic foci in the other breast, but maybe not.  Maybe a different kind of chemo would work better. Hormonal treatments might have done that, too, but you really didn't have a chance to find that out.  I guess you can look it as lucky (yuk, hate that word) that they caught the cancer in your "healthy" breast during the breast reduction surgery, though.  It doesn't show up well, if at all, on mammograms.   If the invasive places are microscopic, and ER+PR+ and low grade, it is possible your doctors will say, "No chemo".  It might be a good idea to have the Oncotype test done on the ILC to help decide that. It will also give you a better idea of how strongly ER and PR are expressed.  What grade was the lobular they found?

    Hopefully, you will get more info soon and get moving so you can put this all behind you.  Boy this is really unfair that you have to do this again so soon.  Hugs!  

  • Kathy16
    Kathy16 Member Posts: 135
    edited November 2009

    Gitane, thank you so much and I wanted to respond to BWorrier's first post b/c I sat down with my BS.  According to him, lobular is not any worse, but it IS harder to detect on scans, so it's sneakier and thus usually found much larger.  He said my IDC in my other breast was "scarier" than this new one b/c the new foci are so tiny.  He told me it was a brand new primary, so he wouldn't know what the receptor status was until after my next surgery.  They didn't grade it yet - there wasn't enough of it.  He pretty much said what you did - that either 1) it was larger, not detected and summer chemo and tamoxifen worked on it or 2) it is different and non responsive to chemo and/or tamox.  They won't know that until my next surgery.  He indicated the main difference in IDC and ILC is where it ends up developing and mainly that the disadvantage of the ILC is that it tough to detect on scans (and smaller, earlier).  Hope this helps. 

  • Susabeau
    Susabeau Member Posts: 8
    edited December 2009

    Regarding JannaC's post. My oncotype was higher than your's-26, but I did not have chemo either. The oncologist had originally said no chemo and then I asked for the oncotype test. It came out in the mid range and she said they had no clear tests to show if chemo would help or not. I know it's a personal decision and I have read of others with a similar score to mine who have opted for chemo, but I chose not to and the oncologist never encouraged me to reconsider.  It's always in the back of your mind if you made the right decision but I feel comfortable not having had chemo. I just had reconstructive surgery last week and am doing fine. I take Arimidex daily.

  • pcollins56
    pcollins56 Member Posts: 24
    edited December 2009

    I'm 53 dx with ILC Stage 1 (right now) grade II.  I had ovarian cysts since I was in my early 30's lost one ovary and they put me on the pill for 10 yrs to save me from going into menopause early, then I lost my second ovary so  I did go on HRT's because the effects of menopause were so severe, then I went off for a while and got vaginal atrophy so back on estrogen until July when I found the lump.  My dr. says I did nothing wrong but it makes you wonder.

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited December 2009

    Hi PC,

    I often feel that my ILC cancer was totally caused by BCP's.  I was on them non-stop for 19 years and was probably going through menopause but didn't know it. 

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited December 2009

    I had my biannual mammogram on my 57th birthday - ILC 1.2cm node negative BUT grade 3 HER2+ ER+/PR+ - so basically triple positive. My oncologist said I was lucky it was picked up on the mammogram - it was quite clear. The surgeon said it could have grown in as little as 6 months. It was not palpable by me and the surgeon said you would have to know what you were looking for.

     I had a wide local excision and sentinel node biospy. Just had second treatment of TCH this week - this is because of the HER2 status. Herceptin for 12 months , 6 weeks radiation post chemo and probably aromatose inhibitors after.

    I asked the oncologist if my taking the pill until I was 52 until after menopause, then followed by HRT for 4 years would have contributed. He said there is only a slight increased risk.

  • Kleenex
    Kleenex Member Posts: 764
    edited December 2009

    I, too, used BCP's for a looooooooong time - I was on track for the "take it until you're 51 and perhaps you'll skip menopause" plan. I took them from about age 18 until my diagnosis at 45, with breaks for two pregnancies and breastfeeding my daughters. I am highly suspicious of the impact of this hormone use on my very hormone-receptor-positive ILC tumor, even though studies seem to fail to find a relationship. Truth is, there's not a lot of concrete understanding of what causes breast cancer in most cases, which I find to be very frustrating...

    I haven't heard of a "triple positive" before, especially with ILC. Your story illustrates why it's a bad idea to have a mammogram on your birthday - not the best birthday present! Unless you can rationalize it as a "gift" that you found it early, I suppose...

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited December 2009

    Yes, triple positive ILC seems to be in the bottom 5%. It was 90% ER+ and 95% PR+, if you can trust the pathology. I'm not sure what tests were run, I plan to find out. My old GP arranged for the mammograms to be around my birthday so I wouldn't forget - that's OK, I didn't find out the result for nearly 2 weeks, the day before our wedding anniversary - that's what you get with a public health system.

    You have to look at the positives in that it was found very early and hadn't spread as I was not in the habit of examining my breasts as they are reasonably lumpy anyway.

    Even though it's HER2+, that is also good in a way because of herceptin being available. In New Zealand EBC women have had to fight to get this treatment. At least in Australia the goverrnment pays the $70,000. Being hormone receptive is also good as they have the other drugs to throw at it. BUT, if I was triple negative, I'd be very very upset as they can only do chemo as there's no specific drug that will fight it.

  • ImpatientPatient
    ImpatientPatient Member Posts: 41
    edited December 2009

    I was dx with ILC at 27. I haven't found anyone close to my age with ILC yet. I have no family history of BC or cancer of any of the reproductive organs. I'm not BRCA positive either. I was on BCPs through college and shortly after so about 6 years total. These last two years, I have started back on BCPs after my annual exam only to stop them within a month or two because it felt like something was wrong. I tried several different types and had the same issue with each. I found my BC because my nipple started to invert. I waited a couple of months before going to my GYN because I couldn't feel a lump until then. Nothing showed on the mammogram or MRI but ultrasound showed a clear picture. It would be nice to know what triggered it so early.

  • BrendaSharon
    BrendaSharon Member Posts: 506
    edited July 2010

    I have ILC also, as far as BCP's I'm not sure they have much relevance. I took them for approximatly only 2 years. Then I got my tubes tied, cut & severed so I never had to take the pills anymore. So, I'm not sure they are the cause.

  • kim2005
    kim2005 Member Posts: 49
    edited July 2010

    I was 43 at Dx...3 years of clean mammo's....thankfully the tech was something 'suspicious' and ordered the biopsy and MRI which confirmed ILC.  I did take the BCP for nearly 20 years.  Still perimenopausal but had a hysterectomy last year as the tamoxifen was thickening my uterus and it became quite painful....still have my ovaries.

  • sgreenarch
    sgreenarch Member Posts: 528
    edited September 2010

    I was just diagnosed in July with ILC at age 49, premenopausal. I guess it's always a shock, but I had had years of boring negative mammograms and I never worried much about this except that I am of Jewish Ashkenazi descent (more common) and have a few distant cousins who had BC. I had the BRCA gene test and am awaiting the result but don't expect it to be positive. Mine was found during my routine mammogram by a smart mammographer who chased something suspicious with a sonogram. Then it all just happened so fast. Ten days later I had a mastectomy due to two tumors distant from each other, making lumpectomy difficult and cosmetically not really worth it. Am now awaiting onc appts to see what the next step will be. Oncotype came back at 17, and nodes were neg, but there were multiple sites and the grades were 1-3, varying so not sure if there'll be chemo or not. Kind of nervous about this decision but am trying to stay positive.

    I was reading the thread above and noticed some common themes. I know this isn't scientific, but quite a few of us have had hysterectomies and then BC appears soon after. I had mine in Jan of 2008 (kept ovaries) due to a mammoth fibroid that was interfering with my bladder. (I used BCP's for less than a year of my life, but my mother took DES when she was pregnant with me and I've always worried a bit about that.)

     Sorry I'm all over the place. Thanks for your replies,

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