Soy...Its Actually GOOD for US!!

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lexislove
lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
Soy...Its Actually GOOD for US!!

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  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited December 2009

    I wasnt sure where to post this....but here is something that I found interesting.

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/173087.php

  • LJ13-2
    LJ13-2 Member Posts: 235
    edited December 2009

    It's important to note that the soy that's "good for us" is dietary soy products.

    When you go into so-called health food stores and start looking at concentrated soy extracts, this is quite a different beast. These concentrated products are often hundreds of times the concentration of compounds found in dietary products like tempeh, edamame, soy nuts, etc. It is NOT logical that if a little of something is good, a hundred times as much as 100 times better. That's not the case.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited December 2009
  • stephanie1
    stephanie1 Member Posts: 131
    edited December 2009

    Just another reason why I have stopped concerning myself with every little thing that I can or can not eat. It changes everyday it seems like. Until someone definatively tells me this caused your cancer I will go crazy trying to figure it out. So I just eat what I want in moderation of course and incorporate more fruits and veggies.

  • flash
    flash Member Posts: 1,685
    edited December 2009

    I will still eat soy but I'm not sure you can truly say this demonstrates  cause and effect.  Was it the soy? Was it something else like garlic or ginger??  You would need to do a much more controlled diet to confirm that it is the soy.

  • RunswithScissors
    RunswithScissors Member Posts: 323
    edited December 2009

    Once upon a looong time ago,  when  I was in 3rd grade, we were being taught about the wonders of modern agricultural science..

    We were also being taught about the alarming increase of the population of the planet. 

     I remember my teacher saying, "we know that soy beans could solve the problem of starvation, the problem is, can we convince people to actually EAT them??? "

     That was years before soy started showing up as a "health food".  But when it did, I was quick to realize this was they way they had figured out to  sell their soy.... 

    but I digress.

    If you must eat soy, please make sure it's organic. Most soy in the US is GMO. 

  • GryffinSong
    GryffinSong Member Posts: 439
    edited December 2009

    Oh, man, I'm so confused now. Just when I think I know what to eat and not eat they change their minds. I discovered recently that I like raw soy beans in salad, so I guess I'll eat it moderately and hope for the best.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited December 2009
  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited December 2009

    Thanks Lexi....hmmm., very interesting. 

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited December 2009

    ..LJ do you mean like the yew plant and how that gets concentrated and synthesized? 

    http://www.yewconservation.org/YewCon/Downloads/YewConBrochure.pdf

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited December 2009

    Thanks for posting that article, its very interesting, but hard to draw a conclusion from that would necessarily relate to a North American women, as typically the North American woman with breast cancer has not throughout her lifetime consumed significant amounts of soy protein prior to diagnosis.  Ideally, what we'd like to know now is whether adding soy to one's diet has any benefit.  I'd like to hear what experts in the field have to say on the meaning of this.  Hopefully it means at least that consuming reasonable quantities of soy protein are not detrimental, and does not act counter to tamoxifen therapy.  Perhaps it will allow a North American study on the subject without fear that soy will be detrimental, and to determine whether it is beneficial to outcome to add it to your diet.

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited December 2009

    hmmmm..Interesting.....For me for now I will still just take my oncologist's advice and avoid as much soy as possible and flax in any form altogether.........I just started eating soy products a few years before my diagnosis so I don't know if that is the cause or just a contributing factor as I have a very strong family history of BC.........I shamefully still will very occasionally eat Japanese or Chinese food with soy sauce but I THINK soy sauce has been processed so much that it is harmless in small quantities.......I hope so any way...LOL.........

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited December 2009

    No.  No.  NO!!!

    As Timothy rightly points out, previous studies have shown that there appears to be a difference in how soy affects people who have eaten large quantities of soy all their lives versus people who only started to consume soy as adults.  So the fact that Chinese women who've had breast cancer react positively to soy is not surprising; this finding is in fact fully consistent with previous studies. But other studies have also shown that women raised on a western diet (i.e. little to no soy) have not had the same positive results and in fact, for these women, soy may be harmful.  So from my standpoint, this study is meaningless to those who of us who were not raised on a diet heavy on soy.  And it is irresponsible of those reporting on the study (including the authors of the study) to not point this out.

    By the way, this is not to say that soy is not good for North American women.  The problem is that we just don't know enough.  Some small studies have shown negative results but there hasn't been a definitive long-term study.  One study that was interesting, however, showed that if girls start to consume soy when they are young - in their pre-teen and teen years - this reduces the risk of breast cancer later on.  So while it's not known if soy is good for those of us raised on western diets who've had ER+ breast cancer, it may be that soy is exactly the right thing for our daughters to be consuming.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited December 2009

    Beesie, thanks for reminding us about that.

    I just kind of jumped the gun, hoping that my liking veggie burgers would not work against me.As far as recurrence goes.

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited December 2009

    Makes sense, Beesie.....My daughter was put on soy based formula when I could not breat feed......Her drink preference is soy milk...I made her stop drinking it after my bc diagnosis.....I wonder if I should continue to let her drink it?......She is 18 now........She drank a lot of soy milk and ate lots of tofu in her pre and late teens........She was vegan and vegetarian off and on for about 6 years.........

  • smithlme
    smithlme Member Posts: 1,322
    edited December 2009

    My oncologist has told me NO soy what-so-ever. A friend of mine just brought me this article from Prevention Magazine by Susan Allport.

    I tried to cut and paste the article but no go. Look up "The Vanishing Youth Nutrient" by Susan Allport. It's a lengthy article but well worth the read...

    Linda

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited December 2009

    Im still avoiding soy when possible- the review I read also mentioned that it is possible the "good" effect from the soy was because it replaced another "worse" food - like excessive red meat in the diet- so I wasnt convinced to eas off my limitation of soy.

    Kristy

  • RunswithScissors
    RunswithScissors Member Posts: 323
    edited December 2009

    I just read the actual study at Jama Dec 09 and found the following disclosure: 

    "Dr Shu reports having received a researchdevelopment fund from the United Soybean Board in 2005."

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