Health Insurance Reform
I am starting a new thread about what IMO the American citizen needs in the health care/insurance reform. Yes, this is purely IMO..This is going to be short and sweet so we can have real discussion.
1. Make it against the law for insurances from denying or dropping a person based on pre-existing illnesses/diseases.
2. Make it illegal for insurances to raise premiums on a person/family more than X-percentage amount (no, I don't have a number for "X").
3. Step in and deport any illegal aliens requesting for food stamps, medicaid, medicare, WIC and the other government programs which should be explicitly for US citizens. This alone would bring down health care costs across the board. It would aid in hospitals to stop losing money from non-paying patients. Yes, I agree that there still would be non-paying US citizens, but it would still lower the amount. California alone shells out millions each year for illegal aliens, and this money could be better used for US citizens.
4. Keep the US government where it is suppose to be which is the regulatory over businesses to keep from predatory practices, and to encourage competition.
5. Encourage corporations from adding food additives to our food. Make MSG (known for causing obesity...check out "MSG lab rats"...you will be sick) illegal to use in all human food and drink. Stop the corporations from dumping a manufacturing waste product called: "High Fructose Corn Syrup" into our foods in place of sugar, causing weight gain from the body not knowing how to process the product.
6. Encourage healthy living education, and diet control.
7. Encourage exercise.
8. Make using dyes (many people are allergic to these, and kids react easily to them) illegal in foods we eat.
No, the list above is not intellectually accurate by any means, because I am tired and still recovering from radiation treatment...but it is what I think of TRUE Health Care Reform...and not what is currently in the Senate right now. I do think health insurance/care needs to have laws that prevent certain things from happening, but not what the House passed or the Senate is mulling right now.
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I am against most of the "reform" they are proposing now, but Colette you make some excellent points.
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I agree with your first recommendation totally. But how would you keep the insurance companies from making the cost of this insurance so high that people with pre-existing conditions can't afford it?
Would you recommend cost caps?
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Some of those ideas sound pretty expensive. Not sure how they'd be funded. I'm also not sure that a cap on premiums would be a good thing. Insurance companies would just cut costs (benefits) to keep their profit margin. Unless you'd want to mandate coverage as well?
I like the encouragement of healthy lifestyle changes and firmly believe there must be some measure of personal responsibility. The problem is that you can't legislate attitudes, so I'm not sure how you'd force people to do the right thing.
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Massachusetts adopted your number 1 reform and has many other mandated insurance regulations that other states don't have. Consequently, insurance rates in Massachusetts are among the highest in the nation, making it unaffordable for many of it's citizens. Yet, the state now imposes fines for those who are not in compliance with what they deem "minimal coverage". Average monthly costs for insurance for a family is $1,200 to 1,600 per month with typically $1,000 to 3,000 in deductibles and $5,000 to $10,000 in co-insurance. Plus tiered co-pays for dr. visits, prescriptions, emergency room, hospital stays, surgery and on and on and on. It begs the question, just what do you get for your money?????
Many people in Mass. feel that the insurance co.'s have benefited the most from these regulations. My husband feels we're slaves to insurance co.'s and their CEO's who make millions off us. I personally know people who have insurance that's not in compliance with the minimum coverage because they can't afford it, and it's cheaper to just pay the fines. In addition, the state is making it more and more difficult for competitive insurance companies to even offer less expensive coverage that doesn't meet the minimums. I know that very soon the insurance I currently have will no longer be available to me, the company will have been run out of the state.
SherriG I fear you're correct regarding the impact this is going to have on state budgets. Who will pay? Those of us in the middle, that's who. We make too much to qualify for aid yet the costs are driving us into bankruptcy. Higher taxes, fines and surcharges are their only resource.
Here's one small example: just recently my insurance co. made a mistake and denied coverage on one of my chemo bills to the tune of $13,000. When Mass General sent me the bill, they also sent a separate bill for a "surcharge" (tax!) that is collected on behalf of the state on any single procedure costing over $10,000. This surcharge goes into a "pool" to fund the Massachusetts Health Care Safety Net. I was so mad I could spit! I appealed my insurance, won and now feel like giving them the famous Archie Bunker raspberry!
With national health care reform we can expect more of the same for sure! Sorry if I rambled, this is such a strong issue. I agree there needs to be reform but I don't have confidence that our politicians are making the right decisions on our behalf.
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Colette - Thanks for taking the time to create this thread! I know you're a busy girl with three little ones and recovering from the effects of radiation! I applaud your stamina and determination. I hope your thread can help us come up with solutions and suggestions - as opposed to wasting our time defending our words and thoughts. You go girl...hope you have a long, pleasant night's sleep! You deserve that!
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6. Encourage healthy living education, and diet control.
7. Encourage exercise.
Good luck with that.
If, as some say, they don't want the government in control of healthcare, I sure as heck don't want the government trying to tell me what to eat and how much to exercise. Talk about personal freedoms. Those are about as personal as you can get.
Encourage? Ok, your doc does that now. Do we really need or want the gov doing it? I don't
Just my opinion.
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In response to Brenda:
The government already is involved in both those arenas. Think: The Food Pyramid recommendations for both children and adults. The movement to have healthier menus in our public schools, universities and the military. Also, the Presidents Fitness Challenge, which is a part of many public schools across the nation. It may not be perfect, but for many, it's all they have. These are just some of the current government guidelines regarding diet and exercise. They're not going to show up at your house to make sure you're following the recommendations, that's where your personal freedom comes into play.
Cancer researchers have shown that diet and exercise do play a large role in prevention of many diseases. Yet the medical community has been very slow to embrace this approach. The more we all practice prevention the healthier we'll be and the less we'll spend on health care. Could that be the reason? Hmmmm.......
I agree with what much of Collette suggests, especially regulating insurance companies. And I would add standardizing medical costs. Have you ever tried to get the cost of a procedure beforehand. I did. I have 50% co-insurance on certain procedures, so when my dr. recommended brain, bone and abdomen scans for cancer staging I tried to find out how much it would all cost. Nobody could/would tell me, nobody! I am stunned when I see the E.O.B.'s from my insurance. Mass General billed just shy of $12,000 for one Neulasta shot (I had 4), in other parts of the country it's $3,500, (there's a thread here on that). They billed over $600 for each pre-chemo blood lab, the facility in Utah where I had chemo the previous year, only charged $115. Same tests. Why do they do that? Because they can.
Regarding the regulation of companies who manufacture our food products. Public boycotts would go a long way in changing those practices. If we all followed the new recommendations that have come out since the economy went south; we would eat local, and eat food that is as close to it's natural state as possible. Stop buying and eating manufactured foods full of corn syrup and dyes, eat whole, unprocessed food, pure and simple. Easier said than done I'm know, I struggle daily with the crap my 11 year old wants to eat.
Welfare programs are definitely another area that are rife with abuses, have been since I can remember. Massachusetts, in particular, has a very high immigrant population taking full advantage of it's liberal handouts. Many americans agree that aid should only be available to those who are citizens. Don't know about deporting the rest. That might cost more than helping them become legal.
Re: Truegrits "fat tax", As cigarettes are highly taxed, perhaps junk food should be as well. Don't even get me started on what I see people buying with food stamps!!!!
My recommendations to add to the list:
Nationalize insurance standards and costs (currently done by state)
Standardize medical care costs
Tax junk food (some states don't tax food)
Tax deductions for money spent on fitness/wellness programs (instead of "fat tax") -
Sherri G, you make a good point. I could imagine some funny scenarios involving Fitness audits and, well, just how much did you spend at Dunkin Donuts?
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Food pyramid recommendations have been around for a long time. I think I remember the Presidents Fitness Council thing too, and it's been a long time since I've been in school. Lol I was very slim and "fit" in school, but not because of any of those things. I starved as a child because we had very little food and my mom and dad never took food stamps or welfare. So I'll be darned if anyone is ever going to tell me what I can or can't eat now.
I am for making the food manufacturers produce a healthier food, though. I've said that for a long time.
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Is anyone really hoping the "Food Pyramid" is as far as this is going? Does anyone wonder if a government-sponsored health plan could charge a "Fat Tax"? Does anyone doubt whether the government could mandate "fitness audits" and require people to demonstrate "healthy behaviors" as a condition of paying lower insurance premiums?
It's already happening: http://www.alseib.org/HealthInsurance/SEHIP/HealthWatch/WellnessWatch.aspx
The changes have attracted a lot of attention -- like this: "Obese Alabama State Employees and Those with Other Risk Factors Could Pay More for Health Insurance Starting in 2011": http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/121930653285600.xml&coll=2
"Obese state employees and those who have high readings for blood pressure, cholesterol or glucose will have to pay more for health insurance starting in January 2011, unless they take steps to address those risks, under a plan adopted by a state board Wednesday.
Starting in Jaunary 2010, state employees will have to pay an extra $25 a month for health insurance unless they submit baseline readings for their weight, blood pressure, cholesterol and glucose.
Starting in 2011, they will have to pay the extra $25 a month unless a work site wellness screening shows their readings fall below certain thresholds or they consult with a doctor, participate in a wellness program or reduce their risk levels, perhaps by losing weight or lowering their blood pressure.
The changes will affect 37,555 active state agency employees covered by the State Employees' Insurance Board, which unanimously approved the changes."
Here's more:
"Alabama to Link Premium Costs to Workers' Health": http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/09/19/alabama.obesity.insurance/index.html
"Alabama 'Obesity Penalty' Stirs Debate -- Plan Calls for State Employees to Pay More for Health Insurance if They Don't Lose Weight": http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20080825/alabama-obesity-penalty-stirs-debate
And, from FOX News, a more comprehensive view: "Alabama Plans to Tax Fat Employees to Recoup Insurance Costs": http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414861,00.html
State employees' health insurance premiums are pretty low in Alabama, so an extra $25 a month isn't a huge expense. Just add it to the $25 you'd already be paying if you were a smoker. (Technically, that's not a "tax" on smoking. People who sign an affidavit testifying that they do not smoke get a $25 discount.)
The state insurance board insists these are not "penalties or "fines". People are not being charged higher premiums because they have special risk factors or they're demonstrating unhealthy behaviors. The board claims they're offering people incentives, to "encourage healthy living."
otter
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I can only say that fat people vote too, and if as they say 50% of nation is overweight, that's alot of potential votes against those that would vote for something like this. We all know it comes down to whether the politicians want to get re-elected, and most do.
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Does anyone remember years ago when "health insurance" was only for in hospital items. Women had babies IN the hospital and stayed several days, for example. The patient paid the doctor with no insurance coverage, unless treatment was IN the hospital, such as surgery. ER visits were paid in full by insurance. It was called "hospitalization" insurance.
Somewhere along the line, health insurance came to include eye exams, dental visits, and ALL doctor visits, with some co pays. ER visits required co pay unless you were admitted to the hospital.
I am not sure how it all got changed or when. Maybe because I was "healthy" and did not require much more than an annual physical and I was "young"... I also do not expect the insurance companies to change their way of doing business, since they have been adding more and more "clauses" and terminology to make it almost impossible for an average person to properly compare one policy from another. I was duped into thinking I was covered for most medical tests and care needed, but I found out what I had only paid out (almost to the penny) what I had paid in up to that month of the year. To clarify - I had an MRI for cervical disc disease - they paid very little after my required co pay. Then I had a mammo - one that led to BC dx - and they paid NOTHING, because the cost of the MRI was over and above the amount of premiums I had paid in for the year. I know, very confusing.
The killer was that I still owe over $ 8000 for my first chemo treatment and scans, tests, biopsy, doctor visits - a year and a half after my first chemo. And I had a "good" insurance plan.
Now I am faced with no insurance because the plan I have (HIGH premiums, but pays most of my costs) is being discontinued Feb 1. I do not qualify for Medicare until 2011.
Thanks for letting me rant and rave. And I have too much in my IRA - goodness, I worked and saved and planned for retirement -- to qualify for any reduced coverage or assistance....
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Nancy, I had to cash out my IRA to pay for medical expenses 2 years ago. We used up all of our savings before that.
Thank goodness I'm now on Medicare. Hubby just recently finished up his Cobra coverage and now has nothing. so we are hoping that some kind of health care passes.
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Whatever bill passes, it is unlikely to see any changes till 2011-2013 or beyond. It just won't be soon enough for people who are in need.
Anne
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Brenda, it just is not "fair" that those who work and save have to give up everything. I was widowed in 2003 at age 57. Had quit work to care for my DH and never went back since I had "earned" enough for SS and pension for when I got older. The savings ran out, so I sold the house and moved. Took early SS and pay thru the nose for individual insurance. I am not as bad off as some, but I fear I will have to declare bankruptcy one of these days or get a job - like where or doing what? What a dream (or should I call it a nightmare) to think I had "enough" for my old age...
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