newbie with questions
Another newbie here...I was diagnosed three weeks ago with DCIS. The surgical biopsy and lumpectomyon my left breast both had unclear margins ("some" lumpectomy....I'm calling it my half-breast-ectomy). It's non-invasive, with criboform, and solidform. High and intermediate grade., ER+ (90%) and PR+ (60%). I just had an MRI on Friday to further check the left side and fully check the right side. (I just turned 50 in June, and I'm not menapausal, or anywhere near it.)
My surgeon just called me today to let me know that the MRI showed nothing new. His recommendation is to do a left side mastectomy, however if I choose to do a bilateral, he would do it.
I meet with an oncologist on Monday (today is Tuesday). I was really hoping the MRI would show at least a *little* something for me to go on to help with this decision....
I'm so confused....would a PET scan show more?
I don't have the family lineage to show a history- i.e. I have no sisters, I have no female cousins, my maternal g'mother was killed at age 40 by a drunken driver. My mom hasnt' had BC, but her sister did.
I know it's my decision, and I know I need to talk with the onc. doctor, and I've read many of your postings...but would there be other tests we could do for my peace of mind??
Thanks...
Blessings.
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You might consider talking to your doctor about genetic testing for the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genetic mutations. My doctor recommended the testing after I was diagnosed with DCIS at 40 even though no one in my immediate family and none of my aunts, uncles, grandparents or first cousins have had breast cancer because a large number of my second cousins, etc. have (and in fact the BRCA1 mutation runs in that branch of the family). Turns out I am BRCA1- and BRCA2- so that was great news. Definitely helped me in terms of deciding between a lumpectomy and a bilateral mastectomy though. Hang in there. I found that getting through the decisions was the hardest part.
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Thanks, Alohagirl...I was thinking along those lines, as well....I'm guessing the oncologist would be the one to do that??? I was also thinking of doing that for my daughter's sake, as well.
I know that PET scans show "hot" spots....would they show DCIS??
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Hi Robinlbe, Im so sorry about unclear margins. Your story sounds similar to mine, I had MRI before my lumpectomy but it did not show anything. However when I had my lumpectomy/segmental mx they found dcis clear to the lobes and scattered DCIS cells in the margin with ADH also. I ended up getting a bilateral with Tissue expanders and Its been a rough road but I feel lucky that this was found and treated so aggressively. PET scans are very expensive and I don't think they are indicated with DCIS but I could be wrong. When you go to the oncologist ask about BRACA testing for sure. You just have to go with your gut feeling, what you can live with. . Good luck
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I wish I could offer any advice; I'm in a very similar situation! ("half-breast-ectomy" -- love that! that's pretty much what mine was!)
My half-breast-ectomy didn't have clear margins either, but my surgeon is saying that re-excision is the next step... he hasn't even suggested a mastectomy. I wonder why the very different recommendations for such similar situations? Mine was all grade 2; maybe that's why??
Anyway, good suggestion from Aloha re: genetic testing... they are recommending that for me as well. (I don't think that's it, in my case, though, because all the women in my family live to ripe old ages, even my chain smoking grandmother lived to her late 80's and never got cancer! But, it's a simple blood test so I figure why not leave any stone unturned.)
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crunchy....was yours multifocal??
I haven't been given a "grade number" ...just my two path. reports....one says "high nuclear grade", and the 2nd says "intermediate and high nuclear grades"...I don't have a size either.
I'm hoping to have the BRAC testing done, if my insurance will cover it...for my sake, as well as my daughter's. Since I just turned 50, and I'm a "young" 50, I'm kind of on the edge for that testing....almost too old, but not quite out of the age limit.
One other thing I have noticed....sometimes different areas of the country do different things...since my DCIS was pretty much all over the tissue taken in the 2nd surgery, there's only half of me left anyway. And since it's multi-focal, it's pretty much standard protocal to go straight for the mastectoomy -from what I've read. If it had been unifocal, I would have had radiation, and no more surgery...
Think that's the difference???
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Intermediate nuclear grade is also known as grade 2, high nuclear grade as grade 3.
I'm 52, premenopausal, etc - also with a skimpy family history and was trying to decide about bilateral. I asked for the BRCA test and my ins co balked at first, asking for a letter of medical necessity. The genetic counselor wrote one, and it was covered. Luckily, I was negative. Everyone expected it to be negative, but after coming up on the wrong side of the odds so many times recently....I wasn't so sure. But YAY, I finally got some good news! I'm only thinking about a uni now. A bilateral is more than I can possibly wrap my mind around right now.
For multicentric (disease in different quadrants of the breast), mastectomy is standard treatment, though some Drs are willing to try lumpectomies anyway.
For multifocal (disease in more than one spot in the same quadrant of the breast) more Drs are willing to try lumpectomies. I suppose the main distinction is how far apart the areas are. If they're reasonably close, more chance for successful lumpectomy.
Or so I believe, at this point in my journey.
Oh, forgot - it may be different at different hospitals, but the oncologist doesn't necessarily do the genetic test, a genetic counselor working with a genetics MD does. Your surgeon should be able to refer you, you probably don't need to see an oncologist first. Normally, patients don't see an oncologist until after surgery - though you could probably arrange it if you really want to.
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Hi... I was a newbie in June when I was scared and looking for answers too. I was diagnosed with DCIS in my left breast on routine mammogram. I am a mom to a severely brain injured little boy who is now 12 years old and I KNEW I had to make the right decision. I spent a month reading and researching all my possible options. My local surgeon would not consider doing a bilateral mastectomy. I decided that I wanted a bilateral to take away the risk of it going to the other breast because I never wanted to feel this kind of fear/trauma again. I needed to get through this and put it behind me. I found an amazing surgeon 350 miles from my house who did my immediate reconstruction following my bilateral skin sparing mastectomy.
I didn't have any real family history of breast cancer but did find one cousin that had it 10 years ago. I am very glad that I decided to have the bilateral mastectomy with immediate reconstruction. I am very happy with how it has turned out and will be able to move forward! It is a scary time when you get diagnosed but you will find the answer and solution that you feel comfortable with. Please let me know if I can help you in any way! Hugs, Tammy
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I had lumpectomy 4/17/09 and 3 of 4 margins were DCIS right side only. I had MRI that did not show anything else. I made choice to have bital Mx 5/1 with no reconstruction. The path report after Mx showed multifocal areas elsewhere. I was told if did not have Mx give my age(46) I had 30% of recurrence and with Mx had 1%. That did it for me. I have no regrets about my choice. If you have questions you can post or PM and I will be glad to answer. Hang in there...FIGHT
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Lovegolf, just a question....did your oncologist and surgeon recommend a bilateral, or leave the choice up to you? What were their recommendations?
Are you still fine with your decision with no reconstruction?
I met with an oncologist today and with my surgeon today. Both say the left side MUST go, but the bilat. is up to me. The reconstruction is up to me. The surgeon's office is making an appt with a PS for me tomorrow, which will likely be scheduled within the next couple of days.
My aunt, who had a mx about 20 years ago, later had reconstruction done , told me that if she had to do it all over again, she would NOT have the reconstruction done. I have read so many stories I don't think I want to do this.....I don't want to spend so much time in surgery. I'm not very big to begin with, and went braless for years before I went back to teaching. But having no breasts at all, is something I haven't quite adjusted to yet either.
The oncologist and surgeon are talking surgery the end of December to the end of January.....that's my time frame.
bogdany22 - Could you tell me more about your immediate reconstruction????? I've been doing all the reading and researching I can find, but could you tell me what you had done, and how they did it? I am trying to understand all the terminology and acronyms, and stuff, but could you tell me in "plain english"??
sweatyspice - I asked the oncologist about genetic testing, and he didn't feel it was necessary. He says that DCIS isn't "real" cancer....sigh.
Even though this oncologist comes highly recommended by my surgeon AND my gynocologist and others, AND his recommendation is the same as my surgeon (as far as my treatment goes), he disagrees with my surgeon in that he says my DCIS is not "real" cancer, where as my surgeon says it IS real cancer....
should I seek a 2nd opinion, or not worry about it???? -
Assuming your insurance will cover it, I'd say you should talk to another oncologist b/c you don't seem comfortable with the one you've seen. My GYN doesn't think I have real cancer either. I still love him, but then, I'm not using him as a cancer Dr,
You don't need an onclogist for the genetic test anyway (at least that's not how it's done where I live), you need a genetic counselor. If the oncologist won't give you the referral, maybe your surgeon or gyn or PCP or someone else will.
That said, there are reasons I could accept for an oncologist thinking a genetic test wasn't necessary....but DCIS not being real cancer ISN'T ONE OF THEM. If that's his/her reason for advising against the test, I think this onco's a jerk. Fire him/her! (IMHO)
Depending on how old you are, the test may be more or less important (more important if you're younger), and I'm not sure really how predictive it is of cancer in the other breast - it might be more of a predictor for ovarian cancer.
Still, reasons to speak to someone else about it who's more willing to have an open and informed discussion than your onc was.
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Both the radiologist and breast surgeon left it up to me. Once it was obvious the right one was going I was comfortable with both going. Although it was left up to me to decide, once I did they both said i made good choice. I did not talk to PS about reconstruction, but it was alot more surgery and I felt I was getting cancer out and did not want to put anything else in. I know women who have done it and it sounds to me like it really hurts. I did not have much pain with Mx. After few days only take pain meds to sleep.
Yes i am still fine with my decision...this is your decision. Take time talk to your family, friends folks who really know you and will let you talk your way through. you will make the decision for you. The waiting and thinking isthe worst part. AND DCIS is cancer it is real.
When you decide let me know I will be glad to send list of things to have and do after surgery.
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having had a large area of dcis taken out by the original surgeon, my left breast looks very odd- i weighed my choices, spoke with my onco and decided on a bilat mx (reading your description, it sounds so similar) I also had unclean margins and my other choice was re excision and reconstruction plus rads and preferably tamox...
Initally i thought id be okay without reconstruction, but looking at the 'pit' left in my breast next to the excision scar bothers me...im always looking at it, everytime i see it, I wonder about getting cancer again. Ive always had rather large boobs, if anything perhaps id be relieved to have them 'gone'. but i guess id like to be able to look in the mirror and not think of breast cancer coming back..hard to say sometimes. I know i made the right choice for me...everyone's different.
Someone else suggested the BRCA test (which i did, it was negative)
do whats right for you - and having an onco you can trust is the key..
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On Dec. 2nd I was diagnosed with DCIS in my left breast and in my right breast ADH (Atypical Ductal Hyperplasmia) pending another biopsy. Tomorrow I am getting a bilateral breast MRI to determine what or if there are other areas of concern. I am facing a lumpectomy or a mastectomy (my choice) and am praying on the MRI to give a conclusion to this deliemia.
I'm concerned, it seems there is this rush to do something. Maybe because I am in a stage 0 but of a grade 3 there is a chance it could progress to stage 1 with chemo treatment. I'm courious about the vaccine I read from another writer. If anyone has more information on this please let me know.
All I can say is you never imagine yourself in a position until the position takes you in, it's over whelming and yet I'm thankful for the early stage I'm in to be able to do something about it. Just what is it I should do is the question at hand. More importantly, I believe, women under the age 50 should get a mammogram.
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Of course women under 50 should get mammograms and i think the public outcry is going to loud enough to make sure it stays that way. as for your situation..They may not tell you(no one told me when I had MRi on a Sat too) but the contrast dye can give you a wicked headache about 30minutes or so after. I had MRI ad went shopping. I was standing in the middle of a store, room started spinning, i got dizzy and then felt like my head was going to blow off shoulders. It may not hit you that way, but just plan on not doing too much after it. I also tripled up on water, juice, etc to get it out of my body.
You will have to get all the information you can and then make a decision that is right for you. Breathe...There are some many wonderful women here who have all been where you are now. I can only share my choice. After lumpectomy I had 3/4 margins still DCIS. I had MRI that did not show any other places of concern. I decided to have bilat mx. The path report on the right breast camae back and found other areas of DCIS that had not been on mammogram or MRI. So I know for me the decision was the right one. My left breast was clear but I still do not regret my choice.
What you face is doable You can come up with the right plan for you and fight your way to the otherside. If you have direct questions, feel free to ask them here or PM me. I am willing to share all I can. Knowledge is power.
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Do I need to see an oncologist?
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Update....My bilateral mx is scheduled for 1/6/10.
I met with a PS and I really like him...so did my husband. I have decided to go initially without reconstruction, but the option is available to do this later, after healing as taken place. I am not a good candidate for TRAM, as there is not enough of "me" to do both sides. No one in the Louisville (KY) area does the DIEP method, so my only option are implants (ugh). I might end up with just the TE and let them stay IF I'm not comfortable with the flattie look. But I am going to give that a chance first. I have no idea how I'll feel about that. I don't want to jump to conclusions.
I have decided to check out another oncologist. He was nice, thorough, and his staff was nice enough...someone even called me this week to follow up, and she was sweet as can be. But I want someone who recognizes that DCIS is cancer....not that I want extra sympathy or anything, but someone to have the opinion as my other docs.
I also feel I should get the genetic testing. I will push for this no matter what.
I'm trying not to think about all of this, but I do find myself thinking "only 16 more days with breasts; only xxx more days to see these; only xxx more days to.....whatever".
I am going to have my husband take a picture of me (neck down) before hand so it will help us find the right foobie size when the time comes. I'm not the typical shape/size at all, and never have been....I want something like ME, not something new/improved....just ME.
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