Sisterhood of the Secret Handshake
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Patty B--LMAO at your Visa card takeoff!
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Hi ladies, this afternoon I found out my girlfriend who I met 22 years ago when I moved to Sydney and moved into share accommodation with her and she was only just here at my party to celebrate my cancerversary has breast cancer. She was diagnosed at 5.30pm today. Can breast cancer be contagious, how can so many women be getting this bloody disease. She is an incredibly strong woman but we all know the dark moments when you are alone - she is 51 abd lives on her own and has no children. One part of me is so determined to be her rock and get her through this but I also know what is ahead, not the treatments but the head fuck. Sorry moderators it is one of those times.
Oh man.
Sorry for the downer guys. I can't even be angry enough to say SFBC it is just sorrowful.
Hope everyone is having a good sleep and tomorrow is a great day.
big hugs
Helena
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Leggy, I think an ex who will buy you a toy is a pretty neat thing to be able to say. I hope you end up loving the toy.
eadsla: ooh I had the can suh, I love it, maybe we need to vote on making that the motto of the secret handshake club
Helena, I am so sorry. I am happy she has you, but so sorry to hear that.
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Rachel, you are doing such great work - what an inspiration you are to everyone!! To organize all of this for our troops, who are so lonely for home, especially during this time of year, is so admirable!!! You rock!!
Helena, that really does suck. I swear, there is something going on - it just seems like every single damn day another woman is diagnosed. Why????? Best wishes for your friend to get through this.
Patty, that's really cute!
Came back from mom's relatively unscathed, except for bringing back more food than I brought up - and minus my favorite sautee pan (she'll bring it back at Christmas). DH caught some sort of stomach flu on Saturday and spent the night puking well into Sunday. I was very nervous about H1N1, so I called our primary care doc and asked his opinion. If he didn't get better by Sunday afternoon/evening, we were to go to the ER. Thankfully, he did start feeling better after taking my compazine prescription, pepto and gingerale. Much better today. Whew!!! I point blank told him I'd kill him if he gave me H1N1, because of the immune system hits I've had - I wasn't sure if I was built up enough to keep it from really hurting me. We were bathing in anti-bac gel!
Busy week with workshops for our dealers starting tonight. Will have a fun day on Friday with my daughter and her friend, it will be our annual trip to the Gardens Mall in West Palm Beach - we go every year at Christmastime and it coincides with my follow up appt at the med onc. I am doing better having finished round 2 of the antibiotics, but still having tenderness and pain in the nipple area and intermittent lymph node swelling and tenderness on both sides - I am going to ask about breast lymphadema, like Meg is experiencing. I think that might be part of my problem and will see if I can get a script for some LE physcial therapy.
Otherwise, got the house decorated as much as I'll do - some years I go all out, and some years I scale back - this was more of scale back year for some reason, just wasn't into it too much - and found some GREAT cyberMonday deals yesterday - three outfits for children from Old Navy only $32!!!!! Got a good deal of shopping done - I only have a few other things to get and then I am done - which is so not like me!
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PattyB part deux you are hilarious!
Helena- yeah I was all happy to get in touch with my dear friend in Missouri, a car club buddy- oh it was so recent that we had the time, money, health to bang around in our little sports cars, we drove cross country so many times just for fun, then getting sucked into the vortex that is our current reality... I had called to commiserate on legal hassles, he'd been working on an environmental cause that also got thrown out of court. I called his home first and spoke to his wife, also a great friend, creative lady, cool chick, I remember when she was DX'd with skin cancer, but I faffed it off at the time as due to all that driving with the convertible top down... turns out her mom was just DX'd at 71, or maybe it was 78, anyway... she didn't know stage, knew there were half a dozen lymph nodes involved, 52 weeks of chemo (????) RADs and Tamoxifen all sort of at once... I was trying to sort this out and asked if she, the wife of my friend, not the mother with SFBC, had been tested for BRCA... her mom has it her siblings have it she listed more than I can recount but said that she couldn't get BRCA testing because if it was positive and she had to change health insurance she's afraid she'd be denied coverage for the BRCA being a preexisting condition... I was about to open my mouth and say I'd find out if that was possible, but in the current health care climate, all bets are off.
Yes, please moderators, make the change today because fcrickeyuck just aint enough to say how I feel about this.
QOTD- you don't have to be her "rock" but you know you're going to help her. We'll be YOUR rock. OK?
chelev- you told him you'd kill him????
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Yup!! I was that scared. Fortunately, that passed and he's still alive. I've told him that before - like, "If you get into a car accident and die, I will kill you!"
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Rachel....I did quite a bit of research on insurance coverage and BRCA testing. Unfortunately, I can't find my notes. Anyway, new laws as of this past May prevents health insurance discrimination, however, this doesn't apply to life insurance. We took out an additional policy before DH's BRCA test.
This is all I could find as I run out the door.
http://www.yalecancercenter.org/genetics/resources/insurance.html
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eadsla: my hair before chemo was an ash blonde - a dark blonde -- I did have it highlighted to where it was more blonde than not....but now, what I have growing in is very dark. Not quite black, but dark brown. I am calling it Mink...it just sounds so much better than brown. I am just thrilled that it's growing back!
Regarding chemobrain...maybe it is the stress on top of all the drugs but mine is definitely still with me. And, as I return to the work environment, it is very stressful! What if I can't retain things or I am not as sharp as I used to be???
I am with you Rachel...Moderators make the change! Fcrickeyuck just doesn't express what I need it to!
Helena: it does seem that more and more women are aflicted with this SFBC. It's disheartening, it's frightening, it just sucks! I hope your friend is coping as best she can. She is lucky to have you to lean on. We all need to lean -- and need someone strong to support us! Bless you!
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Well it seems that this is the time for bad BC news.
Helena--So sorry to hear about your friend. You're going to be a great source of strength and information for her, I know it. And looking back, that was what I really appreciated at the time. And she couldn't have a better example of a cancer survivor. And of course, we're here for you, too.
Rachel--Also sad to hear about your friend's mother. It looks like she is not going to have the easiest time with her tx. Perhaps because of her age, her chemo is being given at lower doses, hence the longer tx time.
Christi--I'll bet, given time, that your hair color reverts back to what it once was. At first, my hair came in this dulled brown. Not even "mink" (which I love, btw) unless that particular mink decided to drown himself in dirty dishwater. After a month or two, my old color of dark brown with auburn highlights returned. Of course a few more hairs decided to go the grey route. But since it's so darmed curly, they get to stay for now and hide. Once the hair straightens, whenever that may be, I'll have to look into gettting rid of the greys. I'm kinda bummed because I've never had or wanted to color my hair before. Ah, getting older...
I discovered some sad news. I decided to pop in on my old April Rads group thread since I noticed that there was some activity on it. One of the gals, Bettelou, passed away this past weekend. I hadn't posted there since July or so, and she was getting tested for some problems she was having. It turns out that bette developed stage 4 metastatic cancer. Just reading the posts, I am stunned, saddened, speechless as to how fast it all happened. Mostly I am left with questions. In July, I coudn't concieve that her problems then were recurrence. We had all just finished rads fer chrissakes. I've gone back through the postings on the forum in hopes of trying to make sense of her symptoms and her tests...but it's difficult to process how fast it all happened. All throughout, her mood has been positive, and her husband has been AMAZING, but still... Like I said...I'm floored.
Catherine
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I just popped in as I was on lunch and wanted to see what was going on. So much sad news!
Catherine - So sorry about finding out your radiation pal has passed away. Its just not fair to go through all the treatment and still lose. Its so sad and sombering whenever I see that someone on the boards has passed away.
Helena & Rachel - sorry about your friends too. It is like an epidemic isn't it? I wish someone would just figure out what the problem is and fix it!
I still wonder sometimes about the theory that if someone does manage to figure out what causes breast cancer or how to cure it would they be bought out to keep it quiet. It is BIG business when you think about it. No I am not going think about it - no one could be that cruel. And what would they do with all those pink labels.
I made my 2nd opinion appt. with the oncologist my mother had. I figured he would at least be familiar with the family history and hopefully will have my mom's file and my paperwork to compare. Did I tell you I found out that I have exactly what she had? Hers was grade 2 though I am a grade 1. Otherwise same IDC, stage & same breast even!
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Would someone please let the damn black dog out quick!!!!!!
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Thank you everyone for your kind wishes for my friend. Feeling better this morning (changed my signature line even) and ready to help her "fight like a girl".
Catherine - I am so terribly sorry for the news on your rads friend. There just isn't any sense to it.
Rachel - well done on the cookies - great photos. And also I am sorry to hear of your friends wife and also her issues with gene testing and insurance. I went through the wringer when I was first diagnosed as to whether it was a pre-existing condition and I hadn't done the BRCA test, I had however only been in the health fund for 6 months. In Australia if you already have health insurance and have done the waiting period then they must cover you. Luckily the board of my health fund wavered my waiting period. Life insurance is another issue, when I signed the authorisation to have the BRCA test there was a clause which stated life insurance could be refused if results were positive.
Must go and clean up the cat vomit from the rug, no she didn't vomit on the wooden floor boards, had to vomit on the rug. I swear cats have a really evil sense of humour!!!!!!!!!!
thank you again my lovely friends. xx
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(mods, I am sorry to jump the gun waiting for the change in title to allow expletives, I hope you will not be angry with me, but this is the stuff for which expletives were made)
Catherine- Thank you for telling us about bettelou68. I just looked her up, read the posts by her husband and brother, her own excellent write up of her DX and how it became Stage IV. I will also check out her caringbridge site. Certainly puts some perspective on a lot of things, a lot. I have sort of what I call a concentration camp mentality about this, same as for 9/11. In 1973 I was at Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial in Israel, where the horrors and evidence are on full display. There was only one souvenir available for purchase, that was a pin with the Hebrew word for "Remember". Similar to 9/11's "Never Forget". When a wonderful person is taken from us, the only thing to do for their loved ones, the best thing we can do for that person, is to remember them. We keep them alive in our hearts and if possible at all, cheat Death that much by keeping their memory alive, and "introducing" people to them. What a gift she left in her writing! I hate fucking cancer. Fucking IBC! I am sorry for your loss, and sorry I didn't get to know her. I am at least gratified that she really lived her life well. What a woman!
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Oh I was just mentioning the people recently DX'd in my life to make Helena feel less like a contagion! On that score, the same family that I was speaking to in Missouri wrote back that another friend of theirs was just DX'd and asked where this forum is... I hope she'll join us here too. I mean, of course, I NEVER hope anyone joins us in SFBC-land, but if they already have it, then they might as well join this merry little band of black dog kickers. (Oh c'mon, we all know we'd never kick a real dog... )
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kookiesmom- when I start thinking of conspiracy theories, I reflect on who's had SFBC... from Nancy Reagan to Gloria Steinem...
extremely fascinating your mom and your matching DX's and GOOD FOR YOU thinking of her ONC as a second opinion. Brilliant.
QOTD- funny, my cat finally barfed in the bathroom. Cleanup was a breeze! Now, if he could just keep aiming for the bathroom...
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Okay, on a lighter note...
I sensed one of my headaches starting up, so I thought I would experiment on the breathing and oxygenation of my blood. Hmmm, perhaps I would try the..er..self-gratification route...? It works for cramps, so...why not?
Okay, the problem with this method, I discovered, is that it takes less time than I thought, or would be necessary for full oxygenation. It turns out that when it come to this area of solo endeavors, I've become the same way as when I have to run errands. I know exactly where I have to go, what has to be done...and then I get out of there as soon as possible! LOL If memory serves (and chemo makes even THAT questionable!), the whole experience with another person usually takes much longer and would probably have more of an effect on my headaches...but that's not in the cards right now.
So, today's little life food for thought? Be careful at what you excel...it may turn on you when you need it!
I keep hearing Ricardo Montalban as Khan in my head: "Laugh with me!!!!!"
Catherine
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Hello, well it was back to work today. I have dinner in the oven and just read up on the post. Cancer conspiracy, I would don't it. It is BIG $$$$$$ BUSINESS!
I have to check my stuffed porkchops.
More later!!!!
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Helena--My cat, Cello, does the same thing. My entire apartment is carpetd, but I have this area rug at the foot of my bed. Both the rug and Cello are off white in color, so his "oral gifts" show up and stain with all the spendor that he could possibly muster.
They know...oh yes...they know...
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Helena and Catherine, so, so sorry to hear about your friends. It especially rattles me to hear of women from this site dying of SFBC, doesn't matter whether I knew them or not. I guess that's because I'm shocked and amazed that women are still dying of this friggin' disease. And I'm sorry, but I have to wonder, would this be happening if SFBC were predominately a male disease?
Would a man consent to an annual exam that included putting his penis in a vice and seeing how much it could be constricted and then learning it's not all that reliable a test, but it's the best to be had, unless he wants to have a wire run up him while they do more tests. Or perhaps a small needle being shot by a computer-guided missile could take a little tissue for further biopsy? Would a man be happy that one of his 'treatment options' includes cutting off part or all of his manhood? And then, the icing on the cake: Would a man tolerate being told part of his treatment was discontinuing medications or starting new medications that would make sex so painful he would seriously consider celibacy?
I don't know....but I seriously doubt it.....
**and Catherine....LOL....slow down, girl!
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Helena and Catherine, it sucks to hear about your friends. When I was diagnosed I immediately called the only person I knew (at the time) who had been diagnosed with SFBC and asked her for advice. Less than a year later, I was sitting in my office, minding my own business, when a co-worker came in and told me she had just been diagnosed. So I was able to give her the benefit of what I had learned and to support her, as my friend supported me.
Patty, men do have to consider sexual disfunction with treatment for prostrate cancer. I am sure that it taken into account when treatment recomendations for slow growing forms of prostrate cancer are made. But I do like the idea of men having to have the equivalent of a mammogram...truly...
Now I have a confession about why I haven't been posting on this thread. I know most of you all are not in favor of the USPSTF's new guidelines for mammograms. The problem is that I do think the guidelines are based on the science and I support them. What has really bothered me is reading many of the threads about the guidelines is that people are going off the deep end, misrepresenting the guidelines. I just don't think mammograms are effective screening tools for younger women - we need to develop better tools - both for screening and prevention. So I am "politically incorrect." I felt dishonest ignoring the issue so just avoided posting.
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Didn't get a chance to check in at all yesterday and had to catch up again. I've been crying reading some of the posts.....Stupid F*CKING Breast Cancer!!!!!!! I had been following BetteLou's story when I was going through chemo but never posted then and then stopped reading that thread when I started Rads and I am soo sad. She was always so inspirational and I loved her love story with Tom, she was so happy he was by her side and they fought the dragons together. SFBC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Helena, my sweet sister, I think Rachel said it right, you don't have to be your friend's rock, but you can lend an ear and a strong shoulder for her to lean on. We are your rock is right! Maybe she would be interested in this site too.
Rachel, your long post about the troops made me all teary eyed this morning, I love you! I walked at the mall at lunch today and passed this lady with her little one about your kid's age and I just smiled and thought of you and the kid.
PattyB, you always make me smile...love your doggy in your lap as you wrote the cards!!
Catherine, I do love the 'ooh...its duh can suh!' made me laugh!!
I also removed BOT from my favs, and the Stepword Wives describes it perfectly...
Back to work now...
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Hello Everyone.
I must sincerely apologize, but following a staff meeting, we concluded that we need to stay true to our Community Rules, that being, no profanity. You may feel free to "bleep" letters, but due to corporate sponsorship, affiliations with major cancer treatment centers, and a diverse community, we feel that we need to remain with our policies. We understand that you find it a good way to release the anger, frustration, etc (and we really get that!), but simply can't have it on the boards. It is turning off too many folks who may accidentally land in this thread.
I hope that you understand our reasoning.
With warm wishes, and many bleeps, Melissa
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I guess we have to do what we have to do. I understand about rules and regulations!
Yes Rachel, you post made me teary eyed. I remembered about all that was done for my husband. When they flew out of Mississippi, there were people in the airport(local people) to bid them farewell and give them each a goody bag to take with them. How awesome. My husband's unit is going back to Afganistan or Iraq. Due to his PTSD and FM, he will not be going( for that I am grateful).
Post cut short to put dinner on the table. Can you bleieve the kids actually want to eat??????
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Moderators - Thank you for discussing and trying for us!!
Bleepity bleep bleep and many more to come...
Mary, I want to come and eat with you each day!!
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Melissa,
Thank you for trying, and we do understand. The invitation to come and use inventive curse words still stands.
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I've had the day from heck at work. Found myself saying fcrickey. No one else gets it and I felt so much better.
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Mods- I am more than a little upset about this, as the whole point of "diverse" is to have more than one kind of person, a warning would serve to preclude accidental tourists- the same as the recent Stage IV posting warning, there's empirical data to support the conclusion that cursing has beneficial qualities for us, and its hard for me to believe that corporations and cancer centers care to censor patients to the point of pressuring the patients' own discussion forums. Moreover, there's plenty of cursing all over BC.org, I feel I have been singled out for special enforcement- despite the fact that this thread is getting to be the most popular thread on BC.org. In this case you are playing to the trolls in the face of real cancer patients. It's hardly possible that we "turned off" as many people as we turned ON.
Maybe there's another way, like the special forum you suggested before. Don't just throw out the baby with the bath water.
Now you know why there's been such horrible fights and people judging each other instead of helping each other - and the mods ask us to "reboot", and preach tolerance but out of the other side of their mouths they pass judgment on us. You lead by example and reap what you sow.
I have no choice but to obey the decision, although it is utterly unfair and supports mean-spiritedness, spying, reporting and generally stripping each person of their own responsibility to behave appropriately here and the last bit of control we have over this disease.
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well said Rach
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So I just spoke with my genetics counselor, she ran my history through the computer mod and it came back with a very low risk for me carrying the BRCA gene, so they will not test me. It really bugs me about the life insurance risk of being denied if positive for the gene. That's bullcrap.
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lisa-e, I am sorry you felt like you had to stop posting because of your opinions about the new guidelines. We actually haven't discussed it much here, there are threads for that (alas, no thread for cursing, but anyway...) and we're not much into arguing about sh&t here. I mean, if I thought that my opinion would actually make a difference, I'd set to work on it and read it and make it my business. Maybe then I'd be up for an argument. I haven't read it. If it says that women 40-50 shouldn't get mammograms without being at risk for BC, then I'd have to be against it, or be suicidal, because that's actually me, no risk factors, DX'd at 48. I respect you for reading it and coming to your own conclusions. Anyway, please feel free to post you are among friends here (and of course the spies who come here to report who is cursing).
I read up on prostate cancer (hey- that's prostate, not prostRate, gals..) and believe me, we got a better deal. The exam- would you rather have a finger up your bum or a mammo? If they find it, they don't know whether it's worth treating, as just as many who have it never have a problem and live normal lives and die of something else, as those who will die from it. No way to tell. There is a blood test, but it too is inconclusive. The treatments are awful and may cause impotence and incontinence- and it could all be totally unnecessary. No way to tell.
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