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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2009

    The 'mercans take EVERYTHING way too seriously. Politics, sports, celebrity, healthcare....to just name a few. My sister has lived in the states for 30 years and still hates the way they over-react to everything. Home Coming Queen! Marching Band! Holiday Decorations! On and on and on....no wonder kids get the guns that their parents leave lying freely around and go shoot someone. I would too!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2009

    Barbe, it's great to see your post!  I know you were going through some "testing", and so I'm hoping everything is okay??

    Hugs, Linda

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited November 2009

    I was thinking the same thing Linda.  Hope all is going well with you Barbe.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2009

    My ultra sound on my breast was brushed off by the radiologist as all normal tissue so I'm happy. My bone scan results I'll get on the 8th. At first they said 15th, but I called back and begged. I even went to medical records in the hospital but they were going to charge me $50!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2009

    I know we're ALL wishing for the same good news with your CT scan as you got with your U/S.  Oh, but isn't the waiting to hear just horrid?Frown

    Hugs, Linda

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited November 2009

    I was reading in today's paper that Sarah Palin said that we Canadians should get rid of our health care system and let it be a for profit enterprise. Why does anyone give that woman any media coverage?

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2009

    She just can't resist the opportunity to exhibit her utter stupidityTongue out...

    "I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent" ~ Pogo

  • rinna40
    rinna40 Member Posts: 357
    edited November 2009

    I saw her on Oprah about a week ago. IMHO she is tres scary. She actually tried to make people think she holds no hard feelings towards the father of her daughters child (can't remember his name) who is apparently saying all sorts of awful things about the Palin family.

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited November 2009

    She looked really happy to be on Fox news when I was channel surfing tonight. Whoopi Goldberg's face was amusing when someone else on The View suggested that maybe Sarah Palin would replace Oprah with a talk show. (This isn't bashing Americans is it? we are just talking about the one.)

    I think I watch too much tv.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited November 2009

    Leslie, I saw that bit on The View tonight as well........funny. But, you never know.

    I don't understand why, when we say we like our Canadian system, that some Americans take that as being critical of them and get upset.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2009
    Because they're jealous! Ooops, shouldn't say that too loud! They carry guns and know how to take the safety off Surprised (and then get surprised when they get shootings....sigh).
  • mittmott
    mittmott Member Posts: 409
    edited November 2009

    Excuse me for crashing your site.   The above post is the exact thing I was talking about.  It's just not nice. Period. You are making fun of Americans.  This has been going on for a while on your site and has so turned me off that I have cancelled my plans for this summer.  I don't want to visit and spend my money where I'm not welcom.

  • covertanjou
    covertanjou Member Posts: 569
    edited November 2009
    Hi,As a Canadian, please allow me to apologize.    Our comments are certainly not meant to hurt you, but I can understand why you would be hurt or offended.  I NOT anti-American.  I may be confused by the opposition to reform, but I certainly don't hate Americans!  I have travelled quite often to the US, and I love it!  Please do not take our "funny" comments to heart.  Please think of it as the ribbing that goes on between siblings.   Mary 
  • mke
    mke Member Posts: 584
    edited November 2009

    I think you've posted your change of plans twice now.  OK, you aren't going to come to Canada, we get it.  But do you expect that the thought of you not spending your money is going to make Palin look less silly or the gun culture more appealing? 

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited November 2009

    It is unfortunate that trying so hard to explain our health care system has been misinterpreted as bashing Americans. Taking umbrage at our discussion here is just looking for ways to ways to fortify a suspect point of view. I think that logical fallacy is called a red herring. Not much of a clear argument, really.

  • mittmott
    mittmott Member Posts: 409
    edited November 2009

    Mary, you are the only one to see how this can be taken as bashing, thank you.  To the others,  I'm glad you get it. Mke, you make a comment about guns which has nothing to do with healthcare or bashing of america. I get it, you don't like guns.  Yea, and your point.  I don't either.  Guess what, my husband does. He is a collector and enjoys shooting at the range.  My both sons are marines and own guns, and have both been to Iraq for our country.  My older son is a police officer and owns off duty guns.  We are responsible people who know how to take care of firearms, and I resent your comments making Americans seem like crazy gun toting idiots who leave their guns around so children can go shooting at each other.  Guess what.  Those guns that are left aound are usually illegal guns... Not registered to normal law abiding citizens...   You can take every gun away from these good folk, and the illegal guns will still be out there.You have been doing nothing but showing a nasty side to your southern neighbors, and I guess the healthcare issue in our country has given you a platform to spout your hatred.  Sorry you feel this way. I'm done. Leslie, there is a difference between explaining your healthcare system and making fun of us...  I have no problem with your health system, if it works for you, but I don't like the tone that these posts are conveying.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2009

    Mittmott:  With all due respect, I think you and many Americans need to realize that the U.S. does not exist in a vacuum, and that what happens in the U.S. does affect -- and greatly concern -- others in the world.  We have every "right" to complain about what happens in the U.S., exactly because what happens in the U.S. does indeed affect Canadians, your largest trading partner.

    We're concerned as much about your healthcare problems as we are about your unregulated banking industry, your gun culture, and your initiation of the war in Iraq and subsequently Afghanistan.  We've lived with this since Cold War days, when Canada was smack dab in the middle, geographically, between the U.S. and the USSR.  We get really ticked off when your President or other VIP says something along the lines of "This (wonderful thing) could only happen in America" -- such arrogance!  We were all extremely concerned when McCain picked Palin -- and that is largely why Obama's win was greeted with such enthusiasm around the world, and especially here.

    We really, really resent the lies and distortions told by Republicans and corporate interests about our healthcare, and to have Palin make such an ignorant remark about how we should adopt private, for profit healthcare (your biggest, most unwieldy problem) was just too "over the top".

    I apologize for hurting your feelings.  But, maybe you need to see where your neighbours on this website are coming from.

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  • mittmott
    mittmott Member Posts: 409
    edited November 2009

    With all due respect, our healthcare issues do not affect you.. . You are happy with your system, fine, so be it, but it has nothing to do with you... As far as the war "we initiated with Iraq and Afganistan, , you didn't watch the towers fall, as we did, and I hope you didn't lose anyone there , as we did.  We were attacked, Canada was not, and again, this is off the issue.  I don't want to discuss the healthcare issue, my complaint has been that since the thread started about Healthcare in America, it just seems to me, that there is a small group from Canada who is very vocal, and if others don't agree with what they say, the tone becomes mean...  You can deny it, but I even pointed it out in an exact post. I have been watching this go on for many weeks, and it is really truly not nice.  That is my main reason for posting on your site.  I hope some of you stop and think about what you are saying before posting.   I won't be answering any more of these posts, I would rather concern myself with the issue at hand Breast Cancer, and I'm going to enjoy my family and friends today, on our Thanksgiving Day.

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited November 2009

    Guess I shouldn't butt in here, but references to 9-11 expressed as "ownership" based on proximity and as grounds to ward off any criticism really bug me.  I just wanted to say that I not only watched the 9-11 towers fall, I inhaled the dust for weeks (in 2001 -- BC dx'd in 2007, hmmm....), the dust lay an eighth-inch thick on my southern windowsills, I had to show ID to the National Guard to walk back from work to my home below 14th Street in Manhattan...  So am I entitled to say that I think the war in Iraq was a horrendous mistake and a huge waste of resources (human and financial capital) that contributed to the economic collapse of September 2008 -- which affects the world?

    BTW, 24 Canadians died in the 9-11 attacks: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/09/07/1810996.html 

    EDIT TO SAY: Sorry this is so off-topic about Canadian health care, and I'll delete it if my northern neighbors wish!  Just wanted to say that I for one think there's a relentless drumbeat of misrepresentations about Canadian health care -- one might even say "bashing" -- so I hardly consider attempts to correct those misrepresentations to be "bashing" in return.  Just two of the great medical advances to come out of Canada have been insulin (Banting and Best, for which they won the Nobel Prize) and the development of treatment for Rh disease (fetal/neonatal death in pregnancies of women who are Rh-negative carrying Rh-positive babies).  The wife of an Ob-Gyn in my hometown in Wisconsin spent a summer in the mid-1960s being treated at the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg, and finally delivered a healthy baby boy after 5 pregnancy losses to Rh disease. 

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2009

    MittMott:  You might not respond to this post, but I have no doubt you'll read it.....

    Forty-one Canadians died on 9/11 in the towers, and where do you think all the planes (with many thousands of American passengers) were forced to land when your airports were closed?  And who put them up and took care of their every need in the days before they were allowed back home?   Oh, and a few years ago our police uncovered a terrorist plot which, if they hadn't, would have caused almost as much destruction of life and property here in Canada.

    Your apparent lack of peripheral vision just doesn't seem to allow you to believe that when something bad happens in your country, it does affect others.  We worry about your healthcare system because -- yes -- it certainly does affect us.  If it causes the U.S. to go bankrupt, do you honestly think we won't be affected -- and severely???

    With power comes responsibility.

    If our tone has seemed, at times, nasty, it's only in response to the nastiness and insults about our healthcare that we've read over and over here for many, many months. We Canadians are known for apologizing, and I've already apologized to you. Enjoy your thanksgiving with your family, and I hope you will have many, many more to enjoy as well.

    Linda

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2009

    AnnNY -- posting at the same time!  I think the final figure was actually 41Frown.  By the way, have any serious studies been done on the respiratory and psychological aftereffects you and so many others experienced?  Are you having any lingering respiratory problems?

    Happy Thanksgiving to you!

    Hugs, Linda

  • mittmott
    mittmott Member Posts: 409
    edited November 2009

    You are right linda, i did read .   I didn't say what happens here doesn't affect others, but guess what, we don't have to be responsible for the world. If the rest of the world doesn't like us, they don't have to take our money or help.  Again, I have not bashed your system, I could care less about it honestly, but again, I find the entire attitude on some of these posts to be horrible. You actually  don't know my beliefs on the Iraq war, but it annoyed me the way, you seem to put all the blame on us.  Now you are worried about our healthcare, because we might go bankrupt and it might affect other countries , You bet it would, but again, it's still our business what is decided on in our country for our country. We might go bankrupt trying to pay for all the programs Obama wants. Others can have opinions, but they don't have to be so mean spirited.  You keep saying we don't want to  believe you about your system... some do, some don't, but again, you shouldn't be bashing all americans..  Having people writing, no wonder their kids go around shooting others, etc., glad I don't live there, etc, is just plain meaness.I keep saying I'm not interested in this debate.  People can debate it all they want, that's not what's bugging me... it's the nasty tone in many of the posts.

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited November 2009

    Hi Linda!  Happy Thursday to you!  (Hope you had a good Thanksgiving in October!)

    About "post-9/11 syndrome" studies -- when Hillary Clinton was our Senator, she worked really hard to promote and fund such studies.  Both Montefiore and Mount Sinai have been conducting followup studies, among rescue workers, clean-up workers, and the neighborhood population.  Here are links to just a few reports (there have been many -- luckily I had only short-term respiratory effects, but "psychological trauma" lasted a bit longer!):

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19590693
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18007989
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15121517

    And a quote from the last link:

    Evaluation of 10,116 firefighters showed exposure-related increases in cough and bronchial hyperreactivity. Evaluation of 183 cleanup workers showed new-onset cough (33%), wheeze (18%), and phlegm production (24%). Increased frequency of new-onset cough, wheeze, and shortness of breath were also observed in community residents. Follow-up of 182 pregnant women who were either inside or near the WTC on 11 September showed a 2-fold increase in small-for-gestational-age (SGA) infants. In summary, environmental exposures after the WTC disaster were associated with significant adverse effects on health.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2009

    My sister has lived in the states for over 30 years now, so I get an inside track on the issues right in her home. Her healthcare costs are $1,200 a month for a family of 4. My mother worked hospice in White Rock, BC, right at the border of Washington state. Her hospital got tons of people crossing the border to get "free" healthcare in Canada.

  • pk0199
    pk0199 Member Posts: 586
    edited November 2009

    Hey Barbe , really off topic but I did hear correctly that your scans came back clear right? I really hope so!

    Penny 

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited November 2009

    Hi Ann -- that must have been horrific when the towers fell and living so close.

    Mittmott -- Canadians get upset when they are lied about and used to push a particular agenda in the US.  We don't like our healthcare system lied about to spread lies to Americans.  Having lived in the US for 3.5 years I am repeatedly having to correct the garbage that I hear about Canada. 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited November 2009

    Penny, my ultrasound was okay. I get scan results on the 8th!

    Soon, Elizabeth, soon....the sound of your key turning in your new home! Laughing

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited November 2009

    I know!!!!  I'm really sad (re. b/f -- packing his stuff today).  Of course we're leaving it until Saturday to rent a locker to store some of our stuff in...I'm not the procrastinator...I've been packing for over a month now!  But happy to be in Canada. 

    I drive up Sunday, organize stuff Monday, move in Tuesday and then sleep coupled with depression when awake.  I am looking forward to the new place -- love decorating and the apt is in my fav Ottawa neighbourhood -- a mere 5 short blocks from Parliament Hill so I can go up and slap some sense into them as needed!

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited November 2009

    Barbe -- I am expecting good news from you on the 8th!!!

  • rinna40
    rinna40 Member Posts: 357
    edited November 2009

    What a busy weekend!! Make sure you fortify yourself with lots of cake and/or chocolate.

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