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  • LittleC
    LittleC Member Posts: 151
    edited November 2009

    Pill wrote:

    Your ideolgy is clear. Did you ever wonder who cares if you're covered, really, other than you? If you were not and croaked off tomorrow because of it, you'd be just another uninsured American statistic. You. No coverage. No tests, no treatment.

     ********************

    People that have insurance and are struggling to pay for it shouldn't be subject to battery by anyone. Including the government allowing the insurance companies more loop holes. I care that LauraGTO has insurance. I'm very happy for her. I care that Joe Schmoe has insurance.  Maybe I worked my ass off for my insurance.  Just because you don't care doesn't mean no one else does.   hmmmm there's a theme there....

    Why does her insurance bother you so much?

  • LittleC
    LittleC Member Posts: 151
    edited November 2009

    Konakat - that's the thing that is supposed to be beautiful about this country... Freedom of speach.

    And I'm curious about something, why are you so into our healthcare and seemingly supporting this guidline and this bill.... you aren't even in the US. You are in CANADA. I'm serious.  I'm not trying to be mean.  I'm really not.  (I've already cooled down) I'm genuinely curious.

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited November 2009

    I give up. 

    Yes, the USPSTF and Harry Reid and Obama and the North American Union and the Federal Reserve (can the Elders of Zion be far behind?) are conspiring to kill American women. 

    It's all right there at the top of this thread.

    (Signing off now, and won't be back.  Hopefully there are still a few rational threads on this board.)

    Linda

  • LittleC
    LittleC Member Posts: 151
    edited November 2009

    It's not a conspiricy against woman, health care is changing.  When the standards in the guidlines change, the standard of insurance follows suit. They are changing prostate screenings too. Breast Cancer is what we all on this site are affected by.

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited November 2009

    LittleC -- In answer to your question, I have been living in Boston for the past 3.5 years.  Diagnosed with BC and mets in the US.  Treated here in the US.  Put up with the insurance and COBRA here.  That has been my interest.  I'm returning to Canada next Sunday.  I have been involved in my community here in the US.  I guess it's hard to stop caring about the friends I've made. I will have to stop my involvement in US issues once I leave the country and do my last tax return this spring.

    I only changed my avatar to Canada this week, from CDN in MA.  I changed it early as part of my transition home.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2009

    PILL -

    Personal greed? Huh?...I am actually quite charitable. And anyone who actually knows me, will attest to that. There are several organizations that I am a volunteer for. This is not about greed nor am I greedy. I guess you think I'm greedy because I disagree. I will refrain from name calling. It's just not a nice thing to do. It's too bad we can't agree to disagree.

    And...a friendly reminder: this country is based on free market and the freedom to choose. Have you read the Constitution lately?...I didn't think so and neither has the current administration. 

    I am not opposed to the government helping people in times of need. I am opposed to the government controlling health care for EVERYONE. Why can't they extend Medicare and Medicaid to help those who currently don't qualify or simply need it? I would much rather see my taxes fund that than a nationwide health care system that will no doubt, be corrupt before it's even up and running. They should reform Medicare and Medicaid and eliminate the fraud. But sadly enough...they can't manage to figure out how to do that. And you think they can effectively manage your health! You think things are bad now? omg...just wait and see. The majority of people polled - DO NOT want the government involved in their health. Since when does majority not rule? The more control they have, the less independence we all have. Government controlled health care will promote dependence. That goes AGAINST everything this country was founded on. I believe in the Constitution.   

    Who is being denied tests or treatment? In Illinois, there are hospitals that cannot refuse treatment to anyone. Illegal immigrants get treated - they don't have insurance. They get medication. They give birth to their babies in our hospitals. They get prenatal care. If one of them was dx'd w/bc - I doubt they would be denied treatment. So I guess I don't quite understand who is being denied treatment.

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited November 2009

    Actually, I recently read that the Canadians had a big meeting of onc, etc discussing the rationale of providing screening mammos to 40-49 and the conseus is not yet available, but the discussions were leaning very strongly that way. 

    From another part of the threads

  • RunswithScissors
    RunswithScissors Member Posts: 323
    edited November 2009

    Laura,

      You said "I have never had to force my insurance company to pay.  I pay my deductible." 

    Maybe you want to clarify what you meant by that, because it sounded pretty callous and self serving -  "It's all about me and since Im doing fine there's nothing else to say about it."  That doesn't exactly seem to shout a charitable nature from the rooftops.   Your last paragraph is also very revealing . If you are so insulated that you don't know folks are going without care, that explains a lot. 

     I know how tempting it is to assume anyone  who disagrees with you must be a moron - so you will likely be surprised to learn that others of us out here actually have read the constitution.It does not dictate an economic system of any kind -  thus leaving a lot open to interpretation. That's probably why people can devote their whole lives to studying it and can still have differing opinions.  

    I like the part in the preamble where it says we will "promote the general welfare". 

     

  • Colette37
    Colette37 Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Pill wrote: "Government papers"?  There is a bill in the senate, A PROPOSED law that you may contact your legislator about..."

    You are right about that.  It is also a bill that gives breast cancer screening standard of care to a panel that bases the new changes on two group of STATS that were done in China and Russia...both of which do not come close to how we live here in the states..And anyone who has taken a STATS class in college can tell you that the stats can say what ever the person reading them wants them to say..that is what stats are all about.

    The bill that you are talking about will directly affect the people we love most...our children, which is why women are against it.  This has ZERO to do with Right/Left; Democrat/Republican and everything to do with what is right and wrong.

    This has to do with fighting to protect our children and our friends..to make sure they continue having the ability to have routine screening for cancer and done in a timely manner.  After 50 for routine testing is too late according to Oncologists and breast surgeons.

    "It does not say that insurance may not pay."

    Do you think that the insurance would not jump at the opportunity to NOT pay for something if the government says they don't need to?  The changes that the USPSTF has made are permanent and this bill will give the USPSTF strength against doing what is right.

    People in the US who are low income have medicaid and medicare.  How is paying for a new program going to help with the "bankruptcy" that medicaid and medicare are going through?  If they can't make it now, then how will the new "health care" bill help???  UNLESS, of course, the new health care bill is not to give health care, but to become another tax...all with the IRS being able to prosecuted people for not paying into this health care tax. 

  • Colette37
    Colette37 Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Pill wrote: "Because it sounded pretty callous and self serving" about what Laura wrote.

    People who are standing up against the USPSTF and the people who are supporting what the USPSTF is doing, are women who know the power of what cancer can do if not caught in a timely manner.  We are standing up against it for our children, nieces, friends and the future generations.  This is the most unselfish act that I have seen recently.

    If people start making it about right/left or dem/rep or cons/libs..this is just a way to divide us and the nation into thinking that if we do not support those who we think comes close to our way of thinking that we are a traitor.  I am here saying that being liberal (yes, I am in most of my voting) is not who I am...being a women and doing what is right is who I am.  Trying to protect the future generations is one huge reason why I am against this bill.

    Why do I have to be selfserving (Yes, I know you were not talking about me, but you were in a way because I am also against this bill) about being against this bill?  I already have a HUGE RED "C" on my forehead.  I have no self serving reason to be against this bill!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2009

    pill, you posted referring to me: 

    "It's all about me and since Im doing fine there's nothing else to say about it." 

    You chose to ignore this portion of my post:

    "Why can't they extend Medicare and Medicaid to help those who currently don't qualify or simply need it? I would much rather see my taxes fund that, than a nationwide health care system that will no doubt, be corrupt before it's even up and running. They should reform Medicare and Medicaid and eliminate the fraud."

    This is not callous or self-serving. What is callous and self-serving is a minority of people expecting EVERYONE to conform to their wants/needs/situation.

    Again...the government should clean up and reform Medicare and Medicaid and extend it to EVERYONE who is unable to afford private insurance. What is so wrong with that? HELP ME! Insulated...not quite. I know several people who are unemployed and whose Cobra has run out. They have not been denied medical treatment, my brother being one of them.

    It's a shame the president hasn't declared a state of emergency pertaining to those who are not insured and "going without care" during this most serious economic crisis/emergency. Instead he declares a state of emergency pertaining to the Swine Flu, which isn't even close to being a true state of emergency. You really should direct your thoughts and opinions to him. Ask him why he is doing nothing for the people who are at this time "going without care". Ask him why he is traveling the world and more concerned with everyone around the world than those back at home who are "going without care". Ask him why he is attending Democratic Party fund raisers instead of creating a way for those who are "going without care" to get care.

    As for the preamble...the words "promote the general welfare":  

    welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being

    The above refers to ALL citizens...not just the mindset or opinion of a minority of the citizens.

    Perhaps you should start a blog about the health care bill.

    Enough said! This thread was created to discuss the mammo guidelines. Let's stick to the topic. Thanks!

  • LittleC
    LittleC Member Posts: 151
    edited November 2009

    Colette 37: you have something there. On the first page of HR3590 - The below shows the title... before the table of contents. Some will argue, it's for home-buyers. Yes, that is what it states.
    Why is there so much health care mixed in with 2,074 pages? Clearly it is not just about home buying. I know it's been done this way mixing a bunch of things in, hiding and padding, for how many decades, but that doesn't make it right.

    But the original point of this thread is the guidelines have changed & U.S. insurance will follow suit.  

    HR3590 page1HR3590 page1

  • RunswithScissors
    RunswithScissors Member Posts: 323
    edited November 2009

    LauraGTO brings up constitution, medicare etc. 

    Makes big long off topic spiel, then demands: 

    Enough said! This thread was created to discuss the mammo guidelines. Let's stick to the topic. Thanks!

    Unbelieveable!

  • Colette37
    Colette37 Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Pill wrote: "This thread was created to discuss the mammo guidelines.  Let's stick to  the topic."

    We are sticking to the topic when speaking about the health care bill and the USPSTF's changes to the standard of care.  They are one in the same, and unfortunately will cause pain and suffering of the next generation.  Why do I say that?  It wont affect me because I already have a giant red "C" on my forehead.  But the hope that my children will be able to have early detection of cancer is tied directly into this bill...unless, of course, if they will be able to afford to pay for the testing directly out of pocket.

    People who are speaking out against this bill/USPSTF are speaking out for our children/friends/relatives so they will have the health care that they need and wont be denied from our government.

  • kittycat
    kittycat Member Posts: 2,144
    edited November 2009

    I wrote a letter to my senators and congresswoman here in Nevada.  No one has acknowledged my email yet.  Hmmm.....

  • Odalys
    Odalys Member Posts: 2,103
    edited November 2009

    Has anyone else noticed there hasn't been much about the guidelines in the news this week?  (Or maybe it's just not being covered much in my part of the country.)  This makes me very uneasy.  We need to keep the heat on the government and that ridiculous panel.  We cannot accept these recommendations. 

  • LeggyJ
    LeggyJ Member Posts: 726
    edited November 2009

    Yes, and NCPA President John C. Goodman is right.  Thanks for the info. Tender, Colette, Little C, and Laura.  You can also find more info. about Ezekiel Emanual, on You Tube. He is frighting!

  • Colette37
    Colette37 Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Kittycat..I wrote also, no one has responded to my email either..I also called them first thing Monday Morning and told them exactly WHY I am against the bill.  I made sure their office knew about me.

    Odalys...I have noticed this too...I also have contacted my family and friends and sent them a letter dictating WHY this bill and changes are so wrong.  I agree, we as women can not accept these changes and it is digusting that the government is wanting to ride both sides of the fence in this bill...wanting more power given to the USPSTF via laws.

    LeggyJ..You are welcome.  We as women need to stand up for what is right.  And to knowingly support more deaths from BC (coming directly from the USPSTF) is unacceptable and wrong.

  • LeggyJ
    LeggyJ Member Posts: 726
    edited November 2009

    Thank you Colette, Happy Thanksgiving, girls!

  • LittleC
    LittleC Member Posts: 151
    edited December 2009

    and it begins...   they are going over it this week.

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