"Task Force" Bean counters and mammos

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iodine
iodine Member Posts: 4,289

Just when you thought it was safe to go to the doctor's !!!!!

And the task force had NO oncologists on it---Just had a hard time when I saw Susan Love on ABC news backing this frightful recommendation.  Be sure to see Good Morning America Tues AM when Marisa and Love go toe to toe.

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  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited November 2009

    I'm at a loss for my own words -- I've said "outrageous" and "horrifying" over and over...

    So I'm posting this quote I just found:

    Daniel Kopans, a radiology professor at Harvard Medical School, said: "Tens of thousands of lives are being saved by mammography screening, and these idiots want to do away with it. It's crazy -- unethical, really."

    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/national/article/MAMM17_20091116-222814/306191/

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited November 2009

    iodine/Dotti, I watched the GMA interview this morning.  It wasn't much of an interview, because Robin Roberts didn't have much of a chance to ask questions.  Being a habitual note-taker, I wrote down some of the things Susan Love said.  These are statements Love interjected while trying to refute what Marisa Weiss was saying:

    “The newer techniques, digital mammography has not been shown to be any better than the older techniques”

    “Mammography has never been shown to work in women in their 40s”


    [These new guidelines] “are not depriving young women of their god-given right to be radiated…”

    [In response to Dr. Weiss’s suggestion about digital mammograms being better for younger women]:  “Digital mammography is not better in the study”

    “Mammography causes as many cancers as it cures”

    "We have oversold the notion of early detection…  some cancers that are very aggressive, no matter when you find them, they are still going to be bad.  Others … are slow-growing, and it isn’t going to matter when you find those."

    Everyone has a horse in this race -- everyone has an agenda.  Almost all of us on these boards would have been affected in one way or another by these new guidelines.  (I would not have found my own tumor because I would not have been doing self-exams.  The panel says they are of no value.)

    I agree completely with your characterization of the panel as a bunch of "bean counters."  What's that old quote from Mark Twain, which he attributed to the wrong source in his autobiograpy?:  "There are three kinds of lies:  Lies, damned lies, and statistics..."

    otter 

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited November 2009

    Otter ... I was stunned when I heard Dr. Love make this statement on GMA this morning.

    "are not depriving young women of their god-given right to be radiated..."

    It was such a flippant, sarcastic remark to make.  I wonder if her Army of Women agree with her statements.

    Edited:  I don't know if Dr. Love has a horse in this race or not ... but we sure do.

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2009

    I am in the group of women under 50 (actually 39 when diagnosed) who mammos were useless for - so were bses.  I was doing both and found a tumor (stage 3) while washing myself in the shower one day (less than a month from last bse) and 4 months from last mammo  BUT I don't think taking away the only detection we have is the answer.  We need to have better detection (and do - MRIs).

    I cant tell you how annoyed I get hearing about early detection since I was being watched like a hawk and still ended up with STAGE 3 BC but that doesnt mean I think we should stop trying to detect it for those it does work for!  The truth is that in some women those tests dont work - but in some they do.  I can't believe that it would be recommended to no longer perform these tests without a better option in place.

    It sounds like Dr. Love is saying some women are not savable anyway (too aggressive and undecteable, why waste the elecricity to run the mammo,maybe it is her way of  being eco-conscious (I am being sarcastic, I know that is not what she said)

    Scary.  I have two teen daughters, this makes me want to throw up.

    ******This is just my opinion, please don't slam me for it******

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited November 2009

    When the panel decided that 3% was an acceptable number of women to lose in exchange for mammograms beginning at age 40 ... we earned the right to be "sarcastic."

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited November 2009

    I agree with your opinion---no flames here.

    I wonder if Dr.Love is taking the stand in order to further research for CURE/CAUSE??  It is helpful sometimes to shine a bright light on a problem, bc, and have strong debate, esp. with the media loving a cat fight.  They wouldn't give as much time to two male docs, I don't think.

    If that is NOT the case, then the Army of Women will see no more of my support. 

    Hey maybe we can switch for mammo to all of us getting a MRI every year, starting at 40---how would the bean counters like that! 

    Marisa did a great job with the couple of minutes provided (how to discuss a huge story like this in so little time!!)  I have the same fears for my daughter, who is now 40--her ins. looks for ways to deny coverage on almost anything, but not mammos.  FOR NOW.  God help us.

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2009

    I am trying to do the math...so the 3% number is based on women (people) who die each year?  Approx 50,000 - so 1,500 more women would die this year who would have had a detectable early cancer on mammo screenings.  How is that acceptable to let those woment just die?

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited November 2009

    That's the way I read it too everyminute -- at least 1200 a year. 12,000 to 15,000 in ten years.  What an atrocity.

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