Is it politically motivated?
I am just wondering if this change in recommendations is politically motivated to ensure the failure of health care reform. The timing is incredible - when the President is out of the country and congress is toiling away at coming up with a plan for reform. Is it possible that this "independent panel" is not so independent after all? Of course to change these recommendations is going backwards and they have to know it. For heaven's sakes, we are hearing about children as young as 10 years old being dxed with breast cancer. They recently made similar recommendations against screening for prostrate cancer. They didn't get the reaction they wanted from those recommendations, so now they are going after screening for breast cancer. I may be very paranoid, but the timing of this new recommendation is suspicious. JMHO
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I agree with you Anne. This is very much politically motivated and it is an example of what will happen if the government gets what they want to with health insurance. After all this "Task Force" is a government agency which recommends the standards for health care.
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Is it actually an example of "what will happen if the government gets what they want with health insurance" or is it a threat against it? I personally don't believe that there will be "death panels" and more rationing of health care services, it's already being rationed by the insurance companies. I think this is an attempt to derail health care reform. JMHO
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Of course it's politically motivated. National Health Care's first DAGGER, aimed at (mostly) women. The numbers of us are huge, and this would put an incredible burdon on the system. The way it is all coming together is: If one has NHC, you will not be able to get a mamo now until you're 50. If you or your doctor feel a lump, screw you. Wait till you're 50. IF YOU MAKE IT THAT LONG. Because now they are saying feeling a lump means absolutely nothing! I felt a lump 2 years before my dx. My doctor IGNORED IT. I have Advanced Metastatic disease. If it was dx sooner....? If you have your own insurance, because of NHC guidlines, the insurance you are paying for will probably not be required to pay for this service and probably not be required to pay for treatment, if you went outside the guidlines. If your doctor goes outside the "guidelines" he will be fined. ANYONE too old, or a burdon on the system, will be left for dead. (this is how it is in other countries with NHC - Michael Moore, in his movie, only talks to relative healthy people, and the younger adults. It was extremely misleading!) I've been against this since day one. But I can't believe how fast it is happening. Our daughters are in jeapordy. WE ARE MOVING BACKWARDS NOW! This will not "derail" health care reform. This will line governments pockets & insurance companies with MORE of OUR money.
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It's a slipperly slope, and this is just the first in a long list of health care services that will be rationed. They are dipping their toe into the water to see how the public reacts and to get people used to the idea. JMHO, but this is scary.
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LittleC, I live in Canada. Had my first mammogram at age 37, based on doc's recommendations and a family history. In Canada, if your doctor recommends a mammo, you get a mammo. And no, he/she is not fined for doing so.
Why are any of you thinking that the administration has had anything to do with this independent taskforce's recommendations? I don't agree with them, but it seems to me that the only industry which would benefit from the "adoption" of these guidelines would be the health insurance industry. Do we see more "claim denials" coming up???
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The fear is exactly the reaction they want. Just confirms what I thought.
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lindasa - at this time, it would appear that the only industry to benefit from these guidelines is the insurance industry. however, if we have a government controlled healthcare system, then it will eventually be the government who benefits by not paying for mammograms.
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i don't believe it is politically motivated. however i imagine the insurance companies are pre-reducing their costs in anticipation of a different modus operandi.
i so profoundly disagree with this finding.
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I agree Linda. The health insurance industry will take full advantage of this IF you do not get health care reform.
Believe me, our Canadian gov't has very little to do with our medical choices while American insurance companies have complete control over American health choices.
I tend to believe that if this is politically motivated the most likely instigator is the insurance companies. It would make little sense for the gov't to make a move like this at this time when they know what the reaction would be.
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Anne - I agree the timing is uncanny. I believe this is the beginning of the government's attempt to ration health care. It's simple math - if you inject 30 million people into a system that already has a shortage of nurses and doctors, everyone cannot receive the same level of care in which many of us have become accustomed. There just aren't enough resources available to meet that kind of demand.
BTW - I work for a large health insurer who advocates mammograms and early dection of breast cancer. From a cost/benefits analysis, it's less expensive to pay for 300 mammograms than it is to treat one case of advanced breast cancer.
Most states currently have laws that mandate coverage of mammograms beginning at age 40, so for now anyway, state mandates will assure insurance coverage for mammograms in those states.
I suggest writing your state and federal representatives to let them know you oppose these new guidelines.
Donna
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Carol:
Below is the actual recommendation pertaining to mammograms - the media is wrecking havoc with the actual recommendations by leaving out the second sentence. And, it isn't national healthcare - it is the US Preventive Services Task Force - an organization I never even heard of until recently. "The USPSTF comprises primary care clinicians (e.g., internists, pediatricians, family physicians, gynecologists/obstetricians, and nurses). Individual members' interests include: decision modeling and evaluation; effectiveness in clinical preventive medicine; clinical epidemiology; the prevention of high-risk behaviors in adolescents; geriatrics; and the prevention of disability in the elderly.""The USPSTF recommends against routine screening mammography in women aged 40 to 49 years. The decision to start regular, biennial screening mammography before the age of 50 years should be an individual one and take patient context into account, including the patient's values regarding specific benefits and harms."
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Who appointed this 'Task Force"? If it's government appointed, then there's the answer.
Donna, I agree with you. Great idea to contact our reps.
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http://odphp.osophs.dhhs.gov/pubs/guidecps/uspstf.htm"The Task Force is an independent advisory panel that conducts impartial assessments of scientific evidence. Thus, although sponsored by the Government, its members are non-Federal and do not represent specific organization or Government agency views. The recommendations and reports of the Task Force are not official statements or guidelines of the Public Health Service or the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services."
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Anne's posting shows the significance of a portion of the media who are bent on derailing health care. The second sentence makes it clear that there are no fines, no barring of earlier mammograms. Those who would like health care reform to go down the toilet are benefiting from the moral panic created by suggesting the skewed interpretation of the recommendation. What else is new?
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That was my point Leslie - Thank You!
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Isn't the age for beginning mammograms in the UK 50?
I think this is an unfortunate recommendation because it seems likely to galvanize the public AGAINST health care reform.
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I strongly urge all of us on the "right" and "left" of the healthcare reform debate to unite on this issue! These new guidelines are unacceptable, period exclamation point!
I share the same suspicion with Anne/ADK -- were these guidelines released now in order to scuttle healthcare reform? But I understand the fears that these guidelines are representative of what will happen with healthcare reform.
I am trying to find where I read yesterday that these studies were completed and the manuscripts submitted for publication nearly a year ago. But I do know that the process of being accepted for publication in Annals of Internal Medicine is a long one...
The members of the task force were appointed well before the current administration...
One of the authors/task force members, George Isham, MD, MS is Chief Health Officer and Plan Medical Director of HealthPartners, an HMO in Minnesota. I googled his political contributions, and found he donated $1000 in 2006 to AHIP-PAC (America's Health Insurance Plans Political Action Committee) -- and here's what I found about AHIP-PAC:
"This association includes 1,300 health insurance companies that provide coverage for over 200 million Americans, according to company information. Members include America's largest insurers: Aetna, the Blue Cross Blue Shield chapters, Humana, UnitedHealth Group, WellPoint and others... The private insurance companies don't want interference from the government in their market, and AHIP will not support a government-sponsored insurance option."
(http://undertheinfluence.nationaljournal.com/2009/08/ahip-all-for-reforms-but-not-c.php)Interesting that the published guidelines say "no potential conflicts of interest were disclosed" by the authors. (http://www.annals.org/content/151/10/716.full)
I guess being the head of an HMO and supporting a health insurance industry PAC poses no potential conflict with issuing guidelines...
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So it is a government-sponsored task force.
There will be an uproar for a period of time, but it will die down in time for them to get their plan through. Then the fun will begin.
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This recommendation is financially driven
The proposed new guidelines are based on research that looks at the effect of breast cancer screening on society from a public health perspective. This means the researchers were looking at how changing breast cancer screening guidelines would affect the overall public, rather than individual women. In proposing the changes, the task force members said that starting mammograms later in life and doing mammograms less often would save a large amount of money. It also means that about 3% more women would die from breast cancer each year. The task force members felt that the amount of money saved (from fewer mammograms and side effects of extra biopsies and treatment) was greater than the value of more lives saved (3% fewer women surviving breast cancer).
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/110/topic/744039?page=1#idx_6
If you go to the USPSTF website "About the Task Force" link, you will note that the Task Force does not list one Oncologist or Breast Cancer Surgeon as a member of the panel. The list looks like a Who's Who of ivory tower acadamicians appointed by a government that seems to think they know your body better than you.
http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/uspstf09/breastcancer/brcanrs.htm#clinical
How can these "doctors" casually condemn the "3% of women who will not survive breast cancer" in the name of saving money based on this recommendation? How can they recommend doctors not educate women on self exam techniques? My God! This is a barbaric move against women.
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I come down on the side of those that think it works AGAINST health care reform. The last thing health care reformers want to see right now is something that gives the appearance of health care rationing. If it were motivated by them it would have been held up until after the vote.
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Marie317, I went to the link you provided. I can see why people presume that these guidelines have something to do with the new administration -- but it's just not correct.
Task Force panelists are appointed to 4-year terms (with an option to request reappointment to a second term). One-fourth of the panel's terms expire each year. New appointees are invited to apply in by May each year, with selection sometime in the summer/fall, and they take their new seats in January. None of the new 2009 January appointees (Susan Curry, Joyce Melnikow, Wanda Nicholson) are authors of these new mammography guidelines.
(http://www.ahrq.gov/CLINIC/frtfnom.htm)
(http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/uspstfab.htm) -
Absolutely, SherriG... we totally need to unite on this issue.
(Please, please understand that when I point out that these guidelines came from some nitwit panel whose members were appointed 1 to 4 years prior to January 2009, I'm only trying to keep this from being portrayed as a political football ! This is life and death for all of us! I think a united opposition to these guidelines from across the political spectrum will be very powerful !)
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-m-love/mammography-screening-are_b_359816.html
In this article written by Dr. Love, she clearly states that this is a form of rationing.
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All I know is that when I sit in my chemo chair at Moffitt Cancer Center, I'm always the oldest one there. I am surrounded by chemo sisters in their 30's and 40's. Vibrant woman, professionals, mothers of young children. Early detection through mammograms and self exams has afforded them early treatment and CURES!
This recommendation by USPSTF is outrageous! Oh that we could take all the surgically removed breast tissue and nodes of just the women in the past year, ages 30-50 and dump it in a pile on the USPSTF's conference table! They need a visual representing young women who have suffered this horrible disease. Then let them justify their regressive recommendation!
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Just to play devil's advocate for a moment:
Dedicated mammography started in 1969, at which time the incidence of BC was one in 14. Today the incidence is one in 8. Could it be that some of us who started having mammograms in our 30's developed BC because of excess radiation?
I don't know what the answer is, but I do think sometimes that we throw out the risk factors in our search for peace of mind. But as I've been reading here on this very site, younger women with dense breasts are not particularly good candidates for mammos. It's us older chicks with less dense (and more saggy) boobs who receive the most benefit. Would U/S or even thermography be a more useful annual screening tool for those aged 20-49? And only use mammos if a lump is palpable?
Please don't vilify me for this suggestion -- it doesn't in any way negate my belief that a good annual screening tool is most definitely needed.
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The timing is definitely unfortunate, but I don't think it is politically motivated. It was done by a large group of independent scientests around the country and just happened to be released now. Most of us on this discussion board probably will not be directly affected due to our being "high risk" (and our daughters will be considered "high risk" due to our history with bc). The ones I feel badly for are those considered to be of "average risk", because now insurance companies will probably give them a very hard time about getting mammos. But perhaps there will be a silver lining to all this. At some point, they may finally realize that MRIs are better overall for detecting bc in younger women (due to greater breast density which makes mammos difficult to read accurately), and that they don't involve radiation! (now, we somehow have to figure out how to make MRIs cost a lot less!)
Anne
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Sherri your point is right on! I do think this is a sign of rationing to come, but whether liberal or conservative, young women are ones who will suffer because of this.
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And Marie mentioned that the insurers will benefit--but will they? If my DCIS hadn't been found for another 7-10 years under these guildelines, I would have needed costly chemo and rad treatments. More follow up care visits. Wouldn't that cost insurers much more than the Tamoxifen tablets I took after my m'gram and biopsy?
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I think the risk from the radiation itself is not a valid one. I'm not sure if this is an accurate source (it's from the internet) but I've also heard it validated by a number of doctors.
The effective radiation dose from a mammogram is about 0.7 mSv, which is about the same as the average person receives from background radiation in three months. Federal mammography guidelines require that each unit be checked by a medical physicist every year to ensure that the unit operates correctly. See the Safety page for more information about radiation dose.Here is the link:
http://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/info.cfm?pg=mammo
Edited to add: I clicked submit by mistake! I wholeheartedly agree that this is not the time to divide and conquer. We need to unite against this potentially very deadly recommendation.
It seems to me they are saying:
no routine screening between 40-49, only screening for high risk (e.g., family history) or because you consult with your doctor and feel like it's the right choice for you (regardless of family history)
For me, the rebuttal to this point is that there are thousands of women between ages 40-49 with no family history that are dx with breast cancer as a result of screening.
It seems they are also saying:
the women with the fast growing/aggressive cancers have a higher percentage of dying (despite treatment), so the screening is not "worth it" for them; the women will the slower growing/less aggressive cancers will likely survive anyway, even if they wait another 10 years for screening***
For me, the rebuttal to that is, I'm pretty sure my 13 year old son, friends and family wouldn't agree, and I definitely don't agree.
***This is my interpretation based on listening to Dr Susan Love on GMA this morning. I am hopeful that I am not understanding this line of thinking correctly.
I guess the net net is, regardless of your political beliefs, I hope we all believe that no one should be thought of as not being "statistically significant."
And, with that crazy double negative sentence (sorry!) I'll stop and take a breath, because I feel like I'm rambling and not necessarily making sense!
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