Atypical cells, do they all increase risk?

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2GIRLSII
2GIRLSII Member Posts: 51

Hi ladies!

What a great forum. Hope someone can provide with some info here. I am in my 40's and have a strong family history of breast cancer.  Mother and sister do not have the gene.  I have had 3 previous benign biopsies. Recently had a FNA. Was told results are benign but there are atypical cells. Will be having a surgical biopsy.  So....I have no other info until I see my breast surgeon as to what these "atypcial" cells are or what they will mean for me. Need to meet with breast surgeon to review results and discuss surgical biopsy. Wondering why a meeting is needed? It's just a surgical biopsy...wondering now why they didn't just schedule it and have meeting after biopsy results are in. Did any of you have to have a meeting before  your biopsy? The area is over 3.5cm...wonder if that has anything to do with it.  Is there any chance that they could be some kind of atypical cells that do not place me at higher risk for breast cancer? I was already feeling a bit like a lame duck before this. Thanks for any insights!

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2009

    I did have a meeting with the surgeon prior to my stereotactic biopsy and then another one before my excisional biopsy, just to go over all the specifics and to be able to ask any questions. Atypia (ADH or ALH)  while not cancerous, does increase your risk by 4 to 5 times (between 20 and 25%); it is often recommended to have an excisional to make sure nothing more serious is in there (like DCIS. LCIS or invasive bc). They often just recommend close monitoring with ADH/ALH, but sometimes also recommend the addition of tamoxifen if there are significant risk factors such as family history of bc.  Praying they find nothing more serious and that you get good results soon.

    anne

  • 2GIRLSII
    2GIRLSII Member Posts: 51
    edited November 2009

    Thanks so much for the speedy response awb! I now feel better about the pre-biopsy meeting.

    Just wondering if there are many cases where atypical cells turn out not to be ADH or ALH or something like that...that perhaps they could just be some meaningless aytpcial cells? You see, I am holding out hope that I am not going there!

    Thanks for your prayers. I am feeling optimistic that nothing else is lurking in there.

  • treetoo
    treetoo Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2009

    What does your pathology report say?  Ask for a copy.

    After my biopsy my path report said rare focus of atypical lobular hyperplasia.

    Are you on hormone replacement?

    I got a second path report opinion and was told "no formal patterns of atypical hyperplasia"

    It was a bit downgraded so to speak,  I went from LIN ll to LIN l

    It's relative, there are atypical cells, just not very dense or distended. it still up's ones risk.

    I was given the option to have surgical removal to make sure it wasn't the tip of the iceberg, or wait 3 months and get another mri, I chose to wait, when I retested the lesion was gone.

    It's been 2 years, I have an mri and mammogram once a year.

    good luck and keep up posted.

    Tree

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited November 2009

    The uncertainty not pleasant, is it?

    All is a 'dangerous' adjective.   There is little in life that is 'all'.  In the field of atypia, there are many things that are unknown.   There is controversy.  Different studies and authors give different results and opinions.

    Some of the inherent problems include: different pathologists will classify the same cells in different categories.  Classifications can change over time (new categories can be established, and old categories renamed.)

    In this study, some features seen in the slides were associated with less risk. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19774459

    You may find these interesting. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18816618

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18816618

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17095049

    There are a variety of opinions.  You and your doctor will choose which path is right for YOU.

  • 2GIRLSII
    2GIRLSII Member Posts: 51
    edited November 2009

    Hey Treetoo..how great is that that you ended up being clear and are doing so well! I do not have a pathology report as of yet. That's why I have so little info. Just quick phone results and will meet with Dr. to discuss further. I will be having mine removed. It's also a large and tender mass and I don't need it getting any bigger...Your story is encouraging to me...Leaf thank you so much for the helpful links...I gotcha on the "all" thing...I was looking for a way out..you know? LOL I guess I will just have to wait and see what they see!

  • kreativek
    kreativek Member Posts: 58
    edited November 2009

    O.K., this is what my breast surgeon told me -

    the atypical hyperplasia ALONG with the family history gave me a 60-70% lifetime breast cancer risk.  She said hyperplasia isn't bad it is the "atypical" part - atypical hyperplasia.  The risk for those with atypical hyperplasia and no family history is lower. 

    I had a preventive mastectomy with implant reconstruction.  My risk is now 2-3%, much lower than the general population risk of 11%. 

  • 2GIRLSII
    2GIRLSII Member Posts: 51
    edited November 2009

    Wow kreativek..those are striking percentages..and scary. I wonder if I will be heading down the same path as you are...I have heard it's 20 to 30% risk with no family history and higher if you have a family history...I had no idea the risk could run that high. I may be joing you! How are you doing..how was your surgery?

  • LISAMG
    LISAMG Member Posts: 639
    edited November 2009

    2Girls,

    How are you doing? Any results from your path report? With your significant family history, I hope you are taking good care of yourself. Its definitely NOT fun being Un-informative BRCA negative, a big difference from being a true negative!!  I am in the same boat too. You are already very high risk at this point since you mentioned 2 first line relatives not having the gene. FYI, please read the article below that may help you in better understanding of your risks.

     Breast cancer risks in women with a family history of breast or ovarian cancer who have tested negative for a BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutation.

    http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v100/n2/full/6604830a.html

    You may also wish to seek support and advice from FORCE, the only organization devoted to hereditary breast/ovarian cancers. Go to www.facingourrisk.org and explore the web site & message boards.

  • 2GIRLSII
    2GIRLSII Member Posts: 51
    edited December 2009

    Hi Lisa, Path report from the FNA says atypical hyperplasia. Won't know anything else until after surgical biopsy. Dr. said most of time they do not find cancer on the surgical biopsy. Hope that is true! Maybe Dr. didn't want me to worry too much since there is no answer until next path report anyway?? but Dr. seemed to down play chances that this could be cancer. Thank you so much for the links. I will check them out. This high risk thing...sometimes I just feel like it's not a matter of "if" but when..but who knows..maybe I will be lucky. I will let you know how it turns out..this time around anyway. lol

  • kreativek
    kreativek Member Posts: 58
    edited December 2009

    2Girls:

     I too recommend the FORCE site (www.facingourrisk.org).

    Your doctor is doing the excisional biopsy to remove the atypical cells and to see if there are any cancer cells in that area.  I was told I had about a 15% chance of there being cancer also.  I've read that can go as high as 25%.  The good news that is when they do find cancer near the atypical cells, it is usually DCIS or stage 0 (very early stage, non-invasive).

    My surgery actually was not that bad.  I had a nipple-sparing/skin sparing bilateral mastectomy with immediate placement of silicone implants.  I feel like I just changed the "insides" of my breasts since I still have my skin and nipples.  The scars are very small and hidden in the crease under the breasts.  I could take a shower in a public locker room and no one would notice that I had breast reconstruction.

    My doctor said that with atypical hyperplasia you breast cancer risk increases 4-5 times.  With a family history you chance of breast cancer go increase as much as 7-8 times.  I'm sure with your family history your risk is higher than 30% now.  You are definately high risk but it is your decision and choice how to manage the risk.  Some women feel more comforatable doing what I did because it lowers our risk so much and we don't have to do surveillance.  Some women prefer surveillance and some women take tamoxifen and do surveillance.  You have time to investigate and decide right now.  Check out the FORCE site for lots of information and feedback from women who are high risk. There are many women on the site (like me) that are BRCA negative but high risk. I am very happy and don't worry about breast cancer much these days.  However, each woman has to decide what is best for her.

  • 2GIRLSII
    2GIRLSII Member Posts: 51
    edited December 2009

    kreativek-   thanks sooo much for sharing your experience. I fully realize it's not the choice for everyone, but I am of the mind to do the same at some point here, depending upon the results of this biopsy. I'd rather do it on my own terms and time-line than under the pressure and stress of a cancer diagnosis down the road when there are so many important decisions to be made and so much other anxiety involved.  Would also depend upon wether my insurance would cover it. There are some big pluses to it..though again, it's not something to be taken lightly. I feel so validated to hear there are those like you who are of the same mind on this topic. I know many who would avoid it all costs...and I fully understand them. I will definitely check out the Force website..and again thanks for so much helpful info!! This site rocks!!  (I hope also come to a day when I don't need to think much about breast cancer anymore..I am sick of this crap (and I haven't even been through much personally..but have had enough from what have seen my family members go through)

  • kreativek
    kreativek Member Posts: 58
    edited December 2009

    2Girls:

    You're welcome!  I'm glad my experience helped you.  I felt very much like you do now; I wanted to do it on my own terms.  Considering you have atypical hyperplasia (and a strong family history) you should not have any problems with insurance coverage.  This was my question too at first.  Also, if an insurance company covers mastectomy, they must cover reconstruction too.  I really don't think insurance coverage will be an issue whether you are BRCA positive or not.  I met a woman in the FORCE group who had her surgery covered on the basis of family history alone.  She was BRCA positive but had not revealed that and still got coverage.

    You may want to look into types of reconstruction and see what you are comfortable with.  Some women even opt not to reconstruct.  I did implant reconstruction because I wanted a shorter surgery, less scars and did not have enough abdomen for a flap procedure.  You may also want to look into what doctors are available in your area and what types of procedures they do.  You will want to get a good reference on them and speak to someone who has used them.  When you go into the FORCE site, look up the local groups.  Someone in your local FORCE group should be able to guide you to some good doctors.  As you do this you will get a feel of what to expect and if surgery is the way you want to proceed.

    Coming from a family with a lot of breast cancer myself, I will tell you that it takes a huge weight off your mind to know that you've gone down to 2-4% risk.  Even in the hospital after my surgery I felt a great weight was lifted off me. I feel good not having to do all the surveillance and knowing that I did everything possible to avoid the family plague.  For surveillance now I just see the breast surgeon and get a yearly MRI.

  • 2GIRLSII
    2GIRLSII Member Posts: 51
    edited March 2010

    kreativek - that's so very good to know about the insurance companies.  reads...thanks so again...this has been extremely helpful to me.

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