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  • violet7
    violet7 Member Posts: 180
    edited November 2009

    Hi!  Not knowing how long I may or may not be on this planet (of course, who does), I'm doing my best to live my life and be in the moment Eckhart Tolle-style.  However, I keep hitting a wall.  I'm still in a bit of discomfort from my bilateral masectomy.  I'm hungry because I'm getting my port placed today.  Yesterday I did my dental work because I have chemo coming up the first week of December, and that hurt.  I keep having needles stuck in me!  And tomorrow is a PET Scan.  And Friday a heart test.  I know:  Call the Wah-mbulence!  I remind myself to live my life as this may be it, but I find it so hard to wrap my mind around that.  I was so much happier when I could believe that I could reach old age (barring accidents) before I died.  And I just keep getting sexier and sexier.  I had a rad hysterectomy last year - everything out including ovaries - scarred - insta-menopause going on - and now I have no breasts.  Next I get to lose my hair.  I'm so depressed over that!  I have long, naturally blonde (even at 44) hair.  I am complimented daily on my hair, my best feature, and now that goes, too.  Then, you die...  I am trying to be positive w/ Triple Negative BC!  Help!  How do you do it?  How do you stay in the moment when the moment sucks?  How do you live life to the fullest when everything hurts?  Why why why?  Violet

  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2009

    Well, sometimes you shouldn't live in the moment if that moment is rotten. <grin> Don't mean to be flip, but I think you have every right to be pissed off, depressed and just downright cranky. Don't try to be positive all the time. There are many stages of grieving and people go through them in different ways. You'll have good days and bad days.

    I personally would worry about your sanity if you were truly able to get to your Zen place at this time in your life. I can tell you it gets better, but right now it SUCKS! (Pardon my language!) :D

    One thing that helped me during treatment was my iPod. I had a couple of songs that I could listen to, over and over, that would calm me down a bit. And I had a relaxation CD that was just the sound of the ocean surf that I put on my iPod. When I'd start to stress, I would plug in to the ocean sounds, do deep breathing exercises and try to get centered and find my Zen place.

    There were times when I felt like I could just run around in circles, screaming, and no one could hear or help me. I would have to sit still, close my eyes and breathe deeply and slowly for like five minutes to calm back down.

    Believe it or not, it will get easier after you start chemo---for two reasons. #1, you will feel like you're actively doing something to fight the beast and #2, you will be so busy dealing with getting to appointments and managing side effects, you won't have as much time to worry.

    I don't know if my words will make you feel better or worse. I just want you to know that I've stood in your shoes and think you're asking too much of yourself to "live in the moment" at this particular juncture in time. <grin>

    --CindyMN

    PS  In the evenings after a really bad day, I would try to think of three nice things that happened to me that day. And they could be *really* minor!  Like, "I saw a beautiful sunrise" or "I had a nice conversation with that lady in the elevator."

    Good luck in your journey. I'm thinking of you!!

  • SuzShea
    SuzShea Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2009

    Violet - After reading your post, I felt like I was reading about myself!!  I was dx at 42 with 2 young boys.  It is extremely scarey when dx with cancer, and I'm sure the first thing you thought about is not being here to see your kids grow up.  I get it!!  People without cancer do not think about dying.  When you are dx with cancer, that is the first thought in your mind.  I previously posted that it's important to stay in the moment, but it is extremely difficult when you are having a really crappy day.  But, just try and get back there after your bad moment.  Today, in fact, 3 nurses tried to access my port.  After 5 sticks, they finally got it right.  Well, needless to say, I was hysterical...hating everyone and everything at that moment!!  However, after I got settled for a 3 hr treatment, I put on my ipod (which is a great idea to bring to treatments) and I actually fell asleep.  When I woke, I was feeling back to "normal."  You are entitled to your pitty parties.  But, have it and then move on.   I get it.  I've been where you are now and it really does get easier, which sounds kind of weird, but it's true.  All my best.  

    PS - In my profile pic I am standing at the Coloseum in Italy.  I made this trip in April 09 to mark my 2 yr anniversary of my cancer diagnosis and I had the BEST time with my friend.  This Arpil, we are planning a trip to Paris.  So, what I'm trying to say is enjoy life and don't let this disease get the best of you.

  • vbabey
    vbabey Member Posts: 48
    edited November 2009

    I am halfway through chemo and sometimes it feels really bad. I read a book when I was first diagnosed Crazy Sexy Cancer, and it really made me laugh through those first terrible weeks of being scared out of my mind. I tend to keep my terror  to myself but occasionally something sets me off and the tears come out. Only home and usually only with my husband. I am quite the sight, bald and bawling!  Not use to looking so diffferent. But strangely the hair, even though tough to shave off initially, it felt liberating after a week or so...such a relief from the falling out phase!  My "new" hair has never looked better, I'm out of the shower and off to work in minutes...no more straightening, curling, blowdrying...there are some positives there!  When the reoccurance thoughts start to emerge, it's hard. My way of dealing with it is just really simple. I think of others who are really suffering. Small children with cancer, people who are struggling to live and eat everyday in other parts of the world, and I just start to feel better. Yes, I am sick, but I am doing the best I can do, I am getting good treatment, I have been in good health for 45 years, thats more than millions of people. Being sick has make me aware of places like St. Jude, and the breast cancer groups and other great organizations that i hope to get involved in next year. Whatever will be, will be. Having a good attitude is said to help the battle! 

    Suzshea, good for you!  I also have become a little obsessed with reading books about italy, food and places and culture,...gives me somthing to look forward to when i go there someday. I will be quite educated!

    Chumfry, I like your sound and music ideas...i think I will get an ipod and some of those ocean tapes.

    Hugs!

  • lovemyfamilysomuch
    lovemyfamilysomuch Member Posts: 1,585
    edited November 2009

    Dear Violet,  I can so relate.  Last year at this time I was in your place (getting ready to start chemo)  It sounds to me that your feelings are absolutely normal!!!  I had a light bulb moment when I was talking to a therapist about trying to be zen and trying to find joy in my life, and she said "You don't have to find joy right now, just get through this"  That helped me.  Keep breathing sister, you are going to get through.  In sisterhood, xo

  • Hattie
    Hattie Member Posts: 414
    edited November 2009

    Love you all.

    four years out here, and you develop skills to deal with it all.  Not easy, but you can.  Be kind to yourselves, cut yourselves some slack.  One step at a time and don't look back.

    You can do this and life is beautiful.

    take care,

    --hattie 

  • violet7
    violet7 Member Posts: 180
    edited November 2009

    I'm feeling up again today.  I should be an old pro at all this.  Last year I was dxed with endocervical cancer - adenocarcinoma.  But this dx really hit me like a bolt of lightening.  Well, ipods appear to be the order of the day.  And calming CDs.  I did just purchase a gentle distant thunderstorm and a Deepak Chopra meditation.  I need to sit me down and listen to them.  Cindy, I agree, I'll bet getting the chemo process rolling will make me feel as though I'm doing something proactive to fight this.  SuzShea: I'm so glad you got to see Italy.  It's beautiful.  I feel like we do have similar experiences with the 2 young children and you are planning on going to France.  That became my immediate goal while I was being diagnosed.  I've broken out the old French textbooks, but haven't actually studied yet.  Vbabey:  You know, I need to flip my thinking.  It's funny you mentioned focusing on the children going through this.  That really applies in my situation, because I've been sitting in all these waiting rooms lately w/ elderly people and I just hate them right now.  I mean, I'm not normally an elderly-hating individual.  I find myself sooo jealous that they were blessed with so much time while I feel like mine is so limited.  I need to change my focus and realize how blessed I am to be here for 44 years - 45 on the 25th.  And I guess No Hair Days are easier than Bad Hair Days :)  Oh, and I ADORE Kris Carr.  I read her books last year when I was dxed w/ the other cancer.  I'm rereading her as we speak.  Thank you lovemyfamilysomuch, thank you.  I'm glad you've come out the other end of the tunnel.  I hope to soon, too.  It's such a rollercoaster.  Hattie:  4 years out!  That is wonderful!  I just love years!  Years are good.  Thank you all and bless you all. 

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited November 2009

    Forget about being all Zen and in the moment.  It's a false expectation!  If it happens every now and then, enjoy it, but give yourself permission to just BE.  Like someone said above, you don't have to find joy right now - just get through the moment.

    Really, you've been throught the wringer, so you have every right to be angry and scared and whatever.  Scream, cry, throw stuff.  Then let that moment go and whip out that French book and study like you've never studied!  Get on the floor and play Legos with the kids.  Have a special treat for a snack.  Rent a funny movie.  

    I honestly think you'll find it so much easier once you're immersed in active treatment. 

    Hang in there!

  • carolinachick
    carolinachick Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Hang in there, Violet.  You've been through a lot.  I am the same age (diagnosed at 44 in January, and turned 45 in March), and now that I'm done with treatment I've joined a breast cancer support group.  The only problem is that I'm the youngest one there by at least 15 years!  These women all have grown children and grandchildren, while I'm hoping to be around to see my kids get married.  Anyway, I've found that just taking it moment by moment, day by day really helps.

    Where in CA are you from?  I was born in Santa Monica and grew up in Eureka, but now live across the country in the Carolinas.

  • violet7
    violet7 Member Posts: 180
    edited November 2009

    Thanks so much, thenewme. That is so simply put yet packed with wisdom.  BEing, after all, is Zen in itself.  And I'm going to have really big pity-parties too with cocktails.  Hi carolinachick!  I was born in San Diego, lived in Chicago awhile during my childhood, then back to California to South Orange County.  I've lived in Oceanside in San Diego County for around 5 years now.  Do you miss California?  I am going to try a support group at the onc's office.  Judging from the waiting room crowd, though, it'll be people who are significantly older than we are.  How old are your children?  I started late.  Mine are 10 and 6.  It's just horrible to think I'll never get to see them grow up.  It is different when you have met your grandchildren.  It still sucks, but you have all those years of life behind you.  It's somehow more OK.  And it's even more horrible for children and young adults, of course. 

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited November 2009

    Yes - a lot of us TNs are on the young side!  I turned 40 in September, and kids are 5,8, and 14.   They are my life.   That's the hardest part of all this cancer crap, and they're also the thing that gives me strength to get up in the morning.  Seems ironic that they could be my biggest weakness but also my biggest source of strength. 

    Depending on how they're dealing with it (or not), some cancer centers have kids groups for children of cancer patients.  My kids handled it surprisingly well so we never went to one, but it may be something to look into if you think it might help.  

    Yep - I'm a big fan of pity parties with cocktails too, LOL!

  • violet7
    violet7 Member Posts: 180
    edited November 2009

    Hi thenewme,  I tried to respond to your post yesterday, but it wouldn't let me - something about 5 posts in 24 hours.  I'm hearing that about TNs - it does seem to be younger women.  Your children are so young too.  It's just not fair.  My daughter is 10 and my son is 6.  They appear to be handling the situation well.  They don't really understand that cancer can kill you.  They see my mom grow tumors, have them out, then she shops on.  Last year they saw me have cancer cut out of me, then a few months later we were at Sea World and Disneyland partying on.  My daughter did see my brother go through the process of dying of cancer, but she was only 3 and must not remember.  She likes to change the subject a lot.  On second thought, maybe she's exhibiting escapist tendencies.  I'll look into that.  Well, keep hauling yourself out of bed for your beautiful babies, but also for you because life is so beautiful:  the weather events, the holiday celebrations and decorating, the lattes, the hours you spend on the phone w/ girlfriends, flowers...  It's all so beautiful every second.

  • carolinachick
    carolinachick Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Violet - I do miss the physical beauty of California, as well as my family.  But I love the Carolinas and my hubby, kids and friends are here so all is well. 

    My kids are 21, 19 and 15 (I started fairly early), but they too seem to just be carrying on with their lives.  I'm sure the fear that I won't be around forever hits them sometimes, but most of the time they just treat me like the same old mom, joking around with me and leaving their stuff everywhere.  After all that this year has brought upon us, it's actually nice to have them treat me normally again...even though I don't always feel like my old self inside.

  • KzooAmy
    KzooAmy Member Posts: 18
    edited November 2009

    I've never been a pill popper but I tell you what, Xanax is really doing wonders for me.  It's so hard in the beginning because we are trying to take all of this in, learn more than we've ever learned about anything so fast in our lives and on top of it, continue with our lives.  It's impossible not to be overwhelmed and stressed.  It's encouraging to know that it gets better when we start treatment.:)    Starting mine next week!

    Love the relaxation suggestions!  I need to get an IPOD as well!

    {{{hugs to all}}}}

  • KzooAmy
    KzooAmy Member Posts: 18
    edited November 2009

    Carolinachick-  Love your quote....sooo true!!  :)

  • violet7
    violet7 Member Posts: 180
    edited November 2009

    Xanax here I come.  I was always so careful about chemicals pfffft!  I think I'm read to look at my anti-anxiety meds options.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited November 2009

    Violet,

    I was pretty much a non-medicator before too, but I started taking Effexor for hot flashes as well as anxiety.  The hot flashes were horrid and started with chemopause.  I'm WAYYY more stable and calm now, and it really does help with the hot flashes.  I don't know about Xanax, but you may want to ask if it has the same benefit for hot flashes. I don't like taking it, but honestly I  really need it for now.  I haven't really had any bad side effects from it, and I feel a million times better with it.  A word of caution, though, at least for Effexor:  whatever you do, don't stop taking it on your own and don't run out!  I made the mistake of just stopping it cold turkey, even on a low dose, and within 3 days I was an awful mess!  Anyway, lots and lots of us are on meds to help deal with stuff, so ask around and get some feedback to see what others recommend!  Good luck!

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited November 2009

    Violet,

    I was pretty much a non-medicator before too, but I started taking Effexor for hot flashes as well as anxiety.  The hot flashes were horrid and started with chemopause.  I'm WAYYY more stable and calm now, and it really does help with the hot flashes.  I don't know about Xanax, but you may want to ask if it has the same benefit for hot flashes. I don't like taking it, but honestly I  really need it for now.  I haven't really had any bad side effects from it, and I feel a million times better with it.  A word of caution, though, at least for Effexor:  whatever you do, don't stop taking it on your own and don't run out!  I made the mistake of just stopping it cold turkey, even on a low dose, and within 3 days I was an awful mess!  Anyway, lots and lots of us are on meds to help deal with stuff, so ask around and get some feedback to see what others recommend.  You may have to try several things, as it seems that it's different for everyone!  Good luck!

  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2009

    I've been on Paxil for many years (way before breast cancer) and my doc gave me some Ativan to help me over some of the rough spots of BC. I privately referred to it as "Vitamin A." LOL

    I typically would only take it if I was heading to a painful procedure or something like that, because Ativan can be habit-forming. Effexor or Xanax is probably better for the long haul.

    --CindyMN 

  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2009

    Since this thread is about finding our Zen places, I thought I'd share another thing I sometimes find helpful. Since I'm not religious, I don't really pray. But I am a science fiction fan, so I would often use the following "mantra" from the Dune books.

    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

    I never could remember the whole thing, so I edited it down by omitting sentences 1, 3, 4 and 6.

    --CindyMN 

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited November 2009

    what really great questions! I suppose the answers are different for everyone, keep trying different things til you find what helps get you thru each day. I am really getting to dislike the "be positive" thing, prefer the word "hopeful".

    Very best to all...

  • carolinachick
    carolinachick Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    I like the "hopeful" response as well.  It conveys that we are optimistic about our future but not discounting what we are going through.  I've been told over and over how "positive" my attitude is and what an "inspiration" I've been through this.  I want to tell people that I'm not trying to be anyone's inspiration, but that I'm just trying to get through it.  I have my moments of sheer terror and utter sadness just like everyone else, and I don't want to feel as if I have to live up to someone's expectations of being an inspiration.  Just because everyone doesn't see all my emotions doesn't mean I don't have them.

  • bf2009
    bf2009 Member Posts: 40
    edited November 2009

    Violet7

    I am newly diagnosied and also triple negative. I understand your fears and thoughts for I have many of the same ones

    I read eating foods high in Vitamin D3, low fat, high fiber foods helps us be surviors and I want to share that as I am currently researching this topic and how to use the info to help myself.

    As far as how I cope, my feelings are that knowledge is power and I am going to do everything I can to educate myself. Also I have a relationship with God, which has always helped me cope in the past. Same should apply with this new TN BC diagnosis.

    BTW, I am also not big on medication but today tried Xanax. It's good stuff, did NOT make me dopey, just kept my head calm so I could focus better. I like it and believe it will help me from worrying myself to death. After taking one I felt relaxed, not dopey.

    BF

  • violet7
    violet7 Member Posts: 180
    edited November 2009

    A friend of mine was telling what a brave girl I am.  I am not.  It's all smoke and mirrors.  I got a precsription for citalopram (I don't know the brand name).  I think it might be helping a little.  I keep feeling cinches of fear in my stomach, though.  I was kind of hoping I'd take the pill and then just sit there for hours with my mouth hanging open.  It is hope that more productive than trying to generate positivity all the time.  That is so true.  It's the loss or lessening of hope that is so depressing.  Chumfry, thank you for the mantra.  Fear is so crippling.  I wish I could have had that surgically removed too.  Yesterday, I thought that maybe if I just face death by staring into the gaping abyss instead of trying to change my thoughts that I could make it go away.  So, I took a little ride up to my plot near my younger brother's grave.  We have 4 plots for my family - a gift from my father after my brother died of cancer - you know, in case of a family tragedy (my dad is a dark realist).  I looked at it as my final resting place, not just my brother's.  I went in the office there and got a brochure for headstones so I could design my headstone (how about "Told you I was sick?" or "Well, that was fun...").  Anyway,  I thought if I just went down that road it would help.  Then, I cried all the way home and called the onc to get a pill.  BF2009, so sorry about your diagnosis.  I called inyourshoes the other day, yesterday a Triple Neg 4 year survivor called.  She had a positive lymph node like I had.  Inyourshoes matches you w/ a counselor with a similar diagnosis.  It did give me more hope than I had before the call, just having come back home from the cemetary.  She's going to email me some new research info on Triple Neg.  I can see if I'm technically proficient enough to share it with you guys. 

  • bf2009
    bf2009 Member Posts: 40
    edited November 2009

    I went to a "chemo class" this afternoon and I was there with 2

    80 year old women who had stage 1, grade 1 tumors that were not triple negative, they had never even heard of it.

    I felt so alone... here I am 30 years younger with a tumor 30 times as nasty.

    Made me feel upset, like crying but I didn't.

  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2009

    I hate it when people say how "brave" we are. To me, it's much more about being stubborn than brave. I simply outlasted the cancer during the barrage of treatment.

    I've had BC twice, in 2005 and 2007. My 2007 tumor was a new primary, meaning that it didn't come from the 2005 tumor. I didn't want you guys to look at my stats and think, "Well, chemo didn't work for her."

    That clarified, I'm here to tell you that you are right in the middle of the worst part of all this. Waiting for treatment to begin is horrible. Actually going through chemo is easier. I know that doesn't make sense, but I swear that it's true.

    The night before my 2005 mastectomy, we had a terrible storm. I saw a big tree across the street rooted firmly in place but with its branches whipping in all directions. That's exactly how I felt. Frozen in place, yet frantic with fear.

    No one in their right mind would volunteer for this. But it does get better. Lots, LOTS better. You just put your head down and plow through, one plodding step at a time. Pretty soon, you'll look up and realize you're on the other side. And then you start to heal.

    --CindyMN

  • violet7
    violet7 Member Posts: 180
    edited November 2009
    • Cindy, Thank you for walking us through this.  I had some good news today: my PET Scan showed no evidence of mets.  I am so relieved!  I can't believe how much more hopeful I feel today.  I'm looking forward to starting chemo and wiping any cancer cells out.  I'm still recovering from the masectomy, so it'll be the first week of December.  I stopped taking the Celexa after just two days.  It just made me tired w/o any benefits whatsoever.  No feeling of well-being or anything.  BF2009, I feel your pain.  I feel like I'm the only one under 80 who has cancer sometimes.  You'd think I'd be an old pro at this too because I had a cancer dx last year at this time (endocervical), but I didn't have to do chemo or rads, just surgery.  I was lucky enough last year to make friends with a 33 year old neighbor who coincidentally had been dxed with endocervical cancer two years before.  She gave me a lot of hope.  This bc dx completely knocks me off my balance. 
  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited November 2009

    WOoooooo - Violet, awesome news about the pet scan!!! 

    I totally agree with Cindy -it does get better!  Let us know how you're doing when you have a chance.

  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited November 2009

    That's excellent news, Violet! Every little piece of information you get helps you make better decisions down the road. I know many women who postpone getting tests, because they don't want to find out if it's bad news. I *try* to look at it like a fact-finding mission. I can't make good decisions without solid data, and the tests provide me with solid data.

    When I went through chemo, I posted on a BC.org thread where we all started chemo in the same month. It's under the chemotherapy category. That was a huge help to me, because we were all going through it together. I'd also peek in the month ahead to see what was coming. <grin>

    I'm still friends with my Rocktober group (October 2005). We've been having annual get-togethers for the past few years, just to celebrate the fact that we're still here! (And four out of our core group of 15 were triple-neg!) :D

    --CindyMN

  • violet7
    violet7 Member Posts: 180
    edited November 2009

    I'm going to go back and look up your thread.  Rocktober - that's cute.  And the 4 triple-negs are still showing up at the get-togethers (hopeful pause)?  I know what you mean about the fact-finding mission.  I don't understand how anyone emotionally could handle putting anything off, esp. with a triple neg dx.  It just grows from out of nowhere.  It would be far more stressful to put things off than to just know where you stand, even if you are standing on quicksand.  I can't wait to get in there and take out those unruly cells.

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