November 2009-Starting Chemo

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  • reglau
    reglau Member Posts: 11
    edited November 2009

    Good morning girls!!!!  I had a good sleep, but am feeling like I could keep on sleeping. I'm feeling fine, no nauseau, just a little backup.. lol!!  Mouse I'm defiently going to get some of those smart one Prune.  Any less pills to take is great!!!!  Hoping your all having a good day.  I think I'm going to go back to sleep for  a bit!!

  • doronet
    doronet Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2009

    Wha'ts a Smart One Prune?  I've looked on the internet but can't find anything called that. 

    ccnani...were you a cheerleader in your former life??!!  Laughing

  • AroninMIA
    AroninMIA Member Posts: 18
    edited November 2009

    ccnani - so sorry to hear about your issues.  I guess I have very good insurance, my onco did the pre approvals with my insurance, and wrote the rx's (3 for Emend, and 3 for Neulasta) a couple weeks ago so I would be all set for this Thursday, and the 2nd and 3rd series.

    It's funny, everyone is so paranoid about nationalized health care, but I am a retired naval officer, and my insurance is Tricare Humana, which the government has negotiated to very reasonable rates for retirees.  I only wish congress and the senate would allow them to do the same for all the rest of the people in the US who would like that option.

    Good for you for demanding your health care needs be addressed, stay strong, and don't back down, my thoughts are with you!  It's Warrior Time!

  • Shel
    Shel Member Posts: 41
    edited November 2009

    ccnani, you should definitely insist on the emend and neulasta.  I have had no issue with nausea at all, My insurance isn't the greatest but I am getting both these drugs and you should too!

    I am tired today.  Just vacuuming a rug wears me out and nothing tastes good.  But my sweet neighbor from next door is sweeping up all my leaves outside with his cool tractor toy.  What a relief that I won't have to do that.  People are so great!

    It's a SmartOne for me next time.

    Have a good everning everyone.

    Shelley

  • Sherri_V
    Sherri_V Member Posts: 159
    edited November 2009

    I, too, would like to know about the SmartOne prune.  Sounds GROSS to me but I understand my taste buds are about to change :)

    Chemo starts on Thursday, November 12 - waiting for the FISH test results on Tuesday to decide whether I'll have TCH or TC.  My schedule is every 3 weeks.

    We went to Wal-Mart today to buy goodies for my chemo bag and the small purse bag that I've read about here.  Found the Biotene mouthwash, got a bunch of new toothbrushes, lotions, etc.  Any more suggestions of things I might want to have on hand?

    Brenda, please drop the "e" from the end of my name on the list above.  Thanks!

  • doronet
    doronet Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2009

    SLV:  Add bland snacks, like cookies or crackers, to your TX-bag.  That helped me last time when I hadn't eaten enough ahead of time. (Animal crackers have been good on my stomach and a change from saltines.)   I also picked up some Aloe "butt-wipes" (pardon the language) for those constant bathroom trips I'd heard could happen. 

    For my mental well-being:  When I go out of the house to go anywhere, I wear a thin, wire bangle bracelet for every week of TX, starting with 17 (extra one was for the port-implant week).  I will take one off when I get home each afternoon after a TX.  (I only have 15 left!!)   I had read about a woman who wore a pink, beaded bracelet for each week of TX, and she took one off at the end of each TX. I liked the idea a lot, but I "borrowed" my 19 yr. old daughter's bangles instead.  On my other arm, with my watch, I wear a braided leather bracelet with my 15 yr. old son's name on it.  Both the leather bracelet and the bangles remind me of why I'm going through all of this. 

  • Mouse6694
    Mouse6694 Member Posts: 88
    edited November 2009

    The Smart ones prunes are by the raisins and dried fruit in a canister style container they are individually wrapped they are doable and not too harsh on your system.

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited November 2009

    I love the bracelet idea!  Considering that I also have to have herceptin for a year though, those bracelets will go up to my elbow, lol.. :)

    Okay ladies, answer me this:  What medications did your oncologist prescribe, and what did you have to ask for?  I have heard a wide-variety of things on this board.   Some get Emend, some get ativan, some get percocet for bone pain, some get ambian for sleeping, some get compazine...etc.   I'm curious why everybody doesn't just get the same thing!  Is it because some people asked and some didnt?

    I'm not including neulasta in that, because to me that is part of chemo and I'm kind of shocked that you didn't get it pre-authorized automatically, ccnani!  

    I'll keep the smart one prune in mind - I hear dried apricots also have a lot of fiber and are effective - I like them a lot more than prunes!  :)  Remembering what happened to me after surgery - I intend to take care of that part of things right away!  (This is indelicate, but it was on my son's birthday that I finally overcame my constipation.  I was up in the middle of the night, feeling exactly the way I had 23 years ago when giving birth to him, lol!!!)  

    I see my oncologist tomorrow.  Anything you more experienced ladies thing I should bring up wtih him?

     

  • AroninMIA
    AroninMIA Member Posts: 18
    edited November 2009

    Sherri, we are chemo sisters!  Nov. 12th.  I have a different regimen,  but the same start date.  Please keep up posts, and I will try to too.  I know there are lots of women who have or are going thru the same things, but there is just something unique that we are starting on the same day!

    By the way, some bio info, am 55, no children, a bit overweight, enjoy my wine and coctails from time to time, and took HRT for 3 yrs 7 months, so I have just about every risk indicator for BC ther is other than family history!  Am thankful to have a DH of 31 years who is the king of my world these days, as I do not know how I could have or would have dealt with these last months and the ones to come without him.

    By the way at the beginning of this post, it said Weenie Warriors, I prefer to think of us as Warrior Women, (we would have been Amazons in the time of the greeks) as we wage battle against this thing!

  • msmpatty
    msmpatty Member Posts: 818
    edited November 2009

    Hi Ladies,

    I'm popping in from the August 2009 chemo board.  I just completed the first part of my chemo regimen which was 4TX of AC every 21 days.  I know how scarey it is to be just starting, but trust me, most of the time I was surprised by how good I actually felt and the "down" days were pretty predictable.   Here are some suggestions for you...

    - Keep a daily journal of how you feel and your side effects.  As the cycles went on I saw a definite pattern to how I felt and when.   This allowed me to prepare for the down days which, for me, were all clustered in Days 5-7 after a treatment (in my journal Day 1 was the treatment day).

    - Take the meds.  My chemo nurse gave me a schedule for taking the meds in the days following treatment and I followed her instructions to the "T".   I never had any nausea! (My meds were: 1 Emend in the am Day 2/3,  2 steriod pills in the am Day 2/3/4,  Zofran every 8-hours Day 1/2/3/4, Compazine and Ativan as needed)

    Not all side effects are created equal.  On these boards we all talk about a huge variety of side effects which can be pretty scarey and overwhelming before you start.  For me, extreme fatigue was my most debilitating side effect and it always started and ended between Day 5 and Day 7.  The other side effects I had were annoying and unpleasant to varying degrees, but they were manageable with OTC meds (Clariton, Tylenol, etc) and didn't keep me from going about my normal life.

    - Don't sweat the small stuff.   During the down days I learned to just forget about the state of the house and the laundry and you know what?...My family hardly noticed.  We had lots of pizza delivered and ate more fast food than normal and my 12-year old was just delighted! 

    As far as the cycles go,  TX1 seemed hard mainly because I didn't know what to expect but in retrospect it was actually pretty good with only one afternoon/evening of couch time required.  TX2 was my "best" one, I knew what to expect and down time was minimal.  TX3 and TX4 were increasingly difficult with the fatigue (2-3 afternoon/evenings on the couch) but by then I was focused on being 75%, then 100% done with AC!   

    Best of luck to you all!   I know everyone says this...but you WILL get through it just fine.   I start 12-weeks of Taxol this week...which I'm sure will be another new experience!

    Patty

  • Susan62
    Susan62 Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2009

    This is my first reply on this helpful site.  I was dx'd September 2009 and things have been happening fast!  Surgery in October and 1st chemo treatment begins 11/16!  I think I am ready to start this so I can be done with it and get on with life!

  • AroninMIA
    AroninMIA Member Posts: 18
    edited November 2009

    Susan62, I totally get you!  I was diagnosed a few months ago, then with the ensuing surgeries, and recouperation etc... I am ready to move on to the next step.

    I just want to get thru the first TX so I know what it will mean to me, how many SEs will apply, and what I need to do to cope.

    Tawanda!

  • Sherri_V
    Sherri_V Member Posts: 159
    edited November 2009

    Why do we get prescribed steroids???

  • AroninMIA
    AroninMIA Member Posts: 18
    edited November 2009

    Haven't been rx'd steroids, but I think it may depend on the type of chemo coctail you get, number of infusions etc.  I think some hit you harder in different ways to the point where steriods become a good option.

  • doronet
    doronet Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2009

    Thanks for the advice, msmpatty.  I was thinking that I might have gotten off easy on this first TX with not too many SE.

    Before I even had my first TX, my onc had prescribed and I had filled:  Emend (day 1-3), Decadron (anti-nausea, with food, day 2-4), Miralax (OTC, evening before, and of, TX), Compazine (nausea, as needed), Ativan (for nausea as needed, though I also use it for anxiety), EMLA cream for the port, and Neupogen (which she prescribed without even knowing how much the white cell count would dip).  Raisins and craisins also add fiber. 

    Just FYI, AroninMIA, there was sort of a "contest" earlier in this thread that pitted Wimp against Wimp.   I challenged ccnani, I believe it was, to take the Biggest Wimp title due to my Neupogen shots and how I hate them.  That's kinda where the "Warrior Wimps" came from.  However, Warrior Women has a nice ring to it. 

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited November 2009

    Thank you for the helpful advice, Patty!

  • AroninMIA
    AroninMIA Member Posts: 18
    edited November 2009

    Thanx doronet.  I have to beleive that there are no wimps in this forum, as we are all dealing with almost the worst possible life choices we could have.  And we are rallying and dealing, and yes puking and being pissy.  But most of all we are suviving day by day with probably the most difficult thing (hopefully!) that we will have to deal with.. 

    So yes, I think we are allowed to be wimpy when it hurts, makes us feel bad etc, but compared with the rest of the worlds reality (lost jobs, bad economy, declining retirement funds etc) our reality revolves around surviving, staying whole and staying sane while dealing with what is probably of the greatest challenges of or our lives.

    So, hang tough ladies, and once again (I think it is my new tagline!)...

    Tawanda!

  • MeNeverMind
    MeNeverMind Member Posts: 42
    edited November 2009

    Good Morning.  I'm not feeling so cool this morning.  I was a bit backed up this weekend and shall we say I had a breakthrough this morning.  But now I just feel week.  What I really want is a big good glass of apple juice, but the other day when I had one it sucked so I don't want to be upset by more crap the doesn't taste good.  I just wish I could be at home in bed instead of here at work.  Sorry to be such a bummer. 

    I had a good weekend.  We finally got the fire in last night, it was nice to just sit and talk to my sweetie.  He and I had a few talks yeasterday that we needed to have.  He feels total left out.  Because of his work he isn't able to get off to come to doctors with me, so he feels that this is not something he has any control over.  I keep trying to get him to talk but... He is a guy.  And he is scared.  I know one of the first things he said was that this was so hard for him because he is always able to fix stuff.  But not this.  I have started to ask him for help more which I think is helping alittle. 

    So when I came home on Friday from work I took my wig off and it felt weird.  i spent this whole weekend not reallying feeling like myself.  When I took my wig out this morning I had this great feeling of having found myself.  I think that I will be cutting my hair on this weekend. 

    Quick question... Is the second set of drugs harder on the system then the first?  I know it all builds up but I really don't know anything about what is to come after the 16th od December for me. 

    Thanks all.  I think I should go to work now.  Have a great safe and happy and healthy days.

    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( HUGS )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Love Kimmy

  • Shel
    Shel Member Posts: 41
    edited November 2009

    Best wishes to Melinda, who starts treatment today.  We will be thinking of you.

    I am on day 5 and I feel weak, but I think it is because I didn't eat much of anything yesterday.  Or maybe this is just what everyone describes as fatigue.  I am at work but it is difficult to concentrate.  Plus I have the worst taste in my mouth all the time.  Ugh!

    Someone asked about the steriods.  My onc said the steriods just "make everything go better".  Not sure what that means except that they maybe allow you to tolerate some of the other drugs that might be overwhelming. 

    Kimmy, I think some people do tolerate the Taxol better and my onc says some women begin to get some hair back on Taxol.  Everyone seems to take things differently too, though.

    Wishing you all a good day,

    Shelley

  • doronet
    doronet Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2009

    Hey hey,  my onc said the Taxol is much easier to tolerate than the A/C.  I'm banking on that info and am looking past these 4 A/C treatments to that!  I too had heard that your hair comes back before the Taxol treatments are done.  Something else to look forward to.

    Is day 7 for me, post TX and it is definitely the best I've felt.  Ran into a lady in my neighborhood this A.M.  Don't know her well, but we often pass each other while walking our dogs. (She is probably 50-something.)   I hadn't seen her in a weeks, so she wasn't aware of my BC.  When she offhandedly asked how I was, I said, "Well, I've been better..." and I told her about the BC, the 1st TX, shaved head, etc.  She said she was so sorry, and then said she had had it when she was 31 and then told me briefly her experience and her double mast.  She even said, "No one knows how hard it is to go through this unless you've been there."  There is no doubt that she was "in my path" today for a reason.  We just gotta keep positive thoughts and constantly remind ourselves that we are not alone!!!

  • JustmeAlicia
    JustmeAlicia Member Posts: 1,529
    edited November 2009

    Kimmy...  I am sorry you are not feeling good today.  I was backed up with you this weekend.  WHAT an awful feeling.  Miralax finally worked on me ~  I am weak too.  Keep waiting to feel good and it isn't happening.  I feel wiped out.  To those of you that work... god bless YOU, I can barely maintain my home and take care of my kids the past few days.

    Shelley ~ I hope you can eat something.  Try light little things, peaches in syrup, peanut butter crackers, soup maybe.  Sorry about the taste in your mouth.  Gargle with warm salt water, and use plastic silverware.  That is supposed to help a bit with that metal taste. 

    MELINDA ~ Good luck today I hope things goes as smoothly as possible and your SE's are not too bad.

    Patty thanks for the pep talk and information!!

    Susan62 - Welcome, Twanda, Doronet, Coolbreeze and everyone else (((((HUGS))))))  hope today is a good day, even if I'm not feeling it myself. 

  • Melinda41
    Melinda41 Member Posts: 672
    edited November 2009

    Thanks Shel and Alicia but my schedule is up in the air again.

    I do see the surgeon for my post port check up tomorrow and then see the new oncologist. Perhaps I will get first treatment later in the week.

    I am going to a "Look Good, Feel Better" class today at the cancer center.

  • Sherri_V
    Sherri_V Member Posts: 159
    edited November 2009

    I'm getting a little scared about them accessing the port for my first chemo on Thursday :(

    I do know that my dr. uses the cold spray but the idea of them sticking something INTO me is starting to freak me out.

    I have to get through today, Tuesday and Wednesday...hoping my fear doesn't paralyze me!

  • mommy2two
    mommy2two Member Posts: 130
    edited November 2009
    SLV - I can understand your fear about accessing the port but it was not bad at all for me.  I did not use the cold spray and I didn't look when she was accessing the port.  I only felt a minimal stick, for me having blood drawn was worse than that.  You WILL be fine, I know that you will do great!
  • doronet
    doronet Member Posts: 342
    edited November 2009

    Sherri:  do you have the EMLA cream?  That is what got me through the port-poke.  I only felt some pressure of the chem-nurse pushing down on it.  I don't know anything about the sprays others have mentioned. My husband watched them access the port and he said it was like putting a cap on a bottle and giving it a light turn.  I didn't feel that. I'm using the EMLA  cream every night before each Neupogen shot.  Don't feel the shot but the anxiety of getting it, before and during, is about to do me in.  What a crappy phobia to have to deal with during this medical mess.

    Hope you're feeling better Kimmy and Shelley. 

  • BrendaSharon
    BrendaSharon Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2009

    Good Day Ladies,

    To all Our Warriors, what a fight we are putting forward on this -C-. We will win this battle!!!!

    Everyone was sooooo wonderful, encouraging and helpful to each other, we are sisters.

    Don't mean to offend anyone with saying we are the "Warrior Whimps" It just started on a thread and stuck!!! I myself AM a huge WHIMP!!!!!!!! BUT, because of it I was able to let all the sisters know there is no need for PAIN. MONEY or NOT. If there is a med out there to help us with any of our S/I, then we deserve it. At the beginning of my journey I was told I could not have certain drugs, such as "EMEND" & "EMLA" & "Percocetts" AND I have good Insurance. I could only imagine those who don't.!!!! Well, I can say if you INSIST LOUD enough, you WILL get these meds. I think it's unconstitutional for any of the sisters not to recieve the MEDS they need. We all go thru enough just fighting this battle. We are already "Warrior Women". BUT, no one needs to "Whimp" out because of not receiving the meds the need. Therefore rally our cause,~~~~~~~~~~

    This week end was very active on the board!!! Over 65 posts just on our thread alone. I have finally had time to check back and catch up with all the new girls and I will make any necessary changes that need be done. If in error I get things wrong, please PM me. It was really hard looking through over 60 some posts this morning to make adjustments. Hope I didn't miss any.

    MELINDA  A big shout out to you!!!! TX#??!  Have you received any more info on your regimen yet. I had you posted for today, but I see that a few hours ago you posted you have a new onc and won't start till later in the week. PM me when you find out what is going on. Good Luck!!

    I wanted to share with everyone that this weekend, from Friday - today even, I almost forgot I was a cancer victim!!!! WOW did I feel good and still do! Friday was day 10  since my first CHEMO. Friday all I wanted to do was eat but I felt sooooooooooooo good. Saturday and Sunday, I had a lot of GOOD energy. Felt like my ole self again, as I was cooking and baking. I went shopping, I cleaned I went for a walk. I just can't say how good it was to feel good again.!!!!

     Shel/Shel, Portergirl99/Susie, and reglua

    Hope you are all doing well!  You made it thru the weekend after the big TX, just a couple to three days back. It will start getting better for you. Keep on drinking, then still drink more, keep the mouth washed with the baking soda and salt, I know everyone is different here so either prunes or bananas, whichever you need. I have to keep going back and forth. The beginning 5 days I was constipated, now I tend to be running a lot. Also, be sure to rest when you need to.

    MeNeverMind/Kimmy,

    Maybe you can try some Cran/Grape Juice, it worked well for me when I had a bad taste in my mouth from the Apple Juice. Now that I'm 10 days past chemo I can again drink the apple. BUT at the beginning I could not either. Even my fave drink lemonade, was like YUCK to my taste buds for the first 4 days. I'm not sure I'll ever like it again.

    SherriV,

    Good Luck to you this week!!! Once this week is over you will feel better. Finally, you will not be dealing with the unknown any longer, which is all of our biggest fears!!!I  I dropped the e as per your request, SORRY!!!

    To all the girls on board may you have a wonderful day!!!

  • MeNeverMind
    MeNeverMind Member Posts: 42
    edited November 2009

    I do feel better.  I am going to start drinking tons of water when by belly is upset and that should make everything ok.  After I posted this morning I really had my first big, "oh my god i'm gonna puke" moment.  Scared me to death.  I did not like that.  I am going to be paying more attention to what and when I eat.  I think cheese might be a no no.  But soup is good and eggs seem to be ok.  Crackers are good too.  I am just afraid that I will turn into a house before all this all over.  Oh well.  Fat is fun.  Chubby is cuddley.  But I was able to drink a bit of V fusion apple, banana juice.  It was good.  I may try some apple juice tonight.  I think I am just scared.  It is a whole new week with a whole new set of crap to deal with.  I am so glad that I have such a great place to beable to go where people understand all the stupid little stuff.  Thanks all.  Good Luck to everyone.  (((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))) Love Kimmy

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited November 2009

    Good afternoon friends.  I had my oncology appointment today.  My first chemo is December 2. He gave the choice of starting it before Thanksgiving or after, and I chose after.

    Can I still stay in this thread, even though I've peeked into December?

    I will have Taxotere/Carboplatin/Herceptin.   T/C every three weeks for six cycles.  Herceptin weekly for a year.  Then five years of  Tamoxofen.  It'll be a long, long haul won't it ladies?

    My second infusion is the 23rd.  I hope the side effects don''t kick in until after Christmas!  

    Maybe I'll pop into the December thread too, as I will be an early one there and can help the ladiies with my experiences. But, I hope you don't kick me out of this one too!  :)

    Nobody mentioned putting a port in, and I forgot to ask.  Is it normal to have a year of infusions and no port?  I have small veins too, they always have trouble with me.

  • BrendaSharon
    BrendaSharon Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2009

    CoolBreeze,

    Sister, you are more than welcome to stay with us "Warriors" Of course!!!

    You will never be kicked out, ever. You would be a terrific strength for the December club, so you may want to lend your knowledge their at times for sure. It really helps to have the advise from a sister who has read up on all the advise from everyone already. 

    Good to hear you have a Path to begin your journey!!!!!

    Oh, The "Port" I don't quite know what to say. BUT, for me they said it would be a good idea, not so much that I had a vein problem, but that the Adriamycin was very TOXIC to the skin and the "Port" would be the safest way possible to receive that particular med.

    Have a restful day (((((HUGS))))) Brenda

  • BrendaSharon
    BrendaSharon Member Posts: 506
    edited November 2009

    CCnani, THANK YOU

    Those where very kind words! I appreciate the fact you appreciate me. It takes a little at times, especially with the "Chemo-Brain" and all. Like this morning when I got on after not responding all weekend. I had over 60 emails to catch up with. DH is very supportive, BUT weekends are for us, so if I go there (to the site) he gets a little agitated. It is hard to answer everyone, but I'm trying to keep up the best I know how. YOU, OMG,  you really have written some wonderful POSTS, as well as very warm and personell, they have also been very informative for some of our newbies. Thank you for your help with our sister warriors!!

    (((((WARM HUGS))))) Brenda

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