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I have been trying to cut out soy lethecin and plain old soy (tofu I miss you) but what about soybean oil?

I can not find mayonaise without it!

I guess I could make it from scratch!

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  • Rabbit_fan
    Rabbit_fan Member Posts: 166
    edited November 2009

    Soybean oil is terrible - and it's in almost everything.  It is too high in omega-6 fatty acids.  The american diet is full of omega-6 fats, and many people now believe it is a major factor in inflammatory disease.  The ideal omega 6/omega 3 ratio is around 4:1 or 2:1, but most people are much, much higher - up to 40:1.  There is a book about this called I think The Queen of Fats -don't remember the author. 

    I found a mayo in the regular grocery store made with canola oil instead of soybean.  It's Hellman's Canola mayo, and it's low fat too. 

    You also can't really find bottled salad dressing without soybean oil.  I love my Newman's Caesar dressing, so what I've been doing is when I get a new bottle I pour as much of the oil as I can down the drain and fill the bottle with olive oil.  Expensive but a LOT healthier.

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited November 2009

    Yeah...kinda figured...thanks for the tip on the canola...I've been getting the olive oil mayo, but it still has some soy oil too.

    and bummer, my favorite bread, Martins has itFrown

  • nene2059
    nene2059 Member Posts: 270
    edited November 2009

    I have another question for your question.  I was told by a nutritionist with the American Cancer Society that Soy Lecithin was not a problem.  It is in so many foods so I asked about it specifically and she said that it was not an issue for BC patients but that they were looking at other soy products to see if there was a connection. Anyone been told anything specific on Soy Lecithin?  I hope someone comes around soon to answer your question as well, I am very curious. I use mainly soy free products including cosmetics but I have noticed that it is especially hard to find some things like mayo or lipstick (of all things) that do not contain soybean oil. Post your recipie if you decide to make it from scratch!

  • Rabbit_fan
    Rabbit_fan Member Posts: 166
    edited November 2009

    The canola mayo is really pretty good.

    Here's a link to some nutrition related to breast cancer that I found really helpful, and it has some info about types of fats.

    http://cancer.ucsf.edu/crc/nutrition_breast.pdf

  • anniebford
    anniebford Member Posts: 128
    edited November 2009

    I've also been reading the labels on everything and have been surprised at the number of things that have a component that is soy based. It's alot like trying to avoid monosodium glutamate, which I started doing 15 yrs ago. I'm revamping the way I cook to a whole foods/organic way, without soy. I think it's harder to avoid soy than msg, doing both eliminates alot.

    Annie

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited November 2009

    I read it somewhere in these Forums that Tofu was safe to it and the person who posted it had a link attached. I used to eat Tofu a lot. Now no matter what I read still don't buy it.

    Smile

  • anniebford
    anniebford Member Posts: 128
    edited November 2009

    Burts Bees makes lipsticks without soy components.

    Annie 

  • nene2059
    nene2059 Member Posts: 270
    edited November 2009

    anniebford-which ones? I use the Burts Bees lip shimmer and it has soybean oil.  I use alot of BB products and after reading other brands ingredients I just stuck with the lip shimmer soybean oil and all.  I did find a Yes to Carrots lip tint that did not have soybean oil but the colors are not nearly as nice as BB's.

  • anniebford
    anniebford Member Posts: 128
    edited November 2009

    The BB lip shimmer that I have does not list soybean oil as a component. I looked at the BB website and the ingredient list for one kind of lip shimmer there does not list a soy component but the other lip shimmer/gloss products do. In fact, most of the other products have soy in them. I would advise that you go to their website and look for it there since you may not be able to find it in a local store.

    Annie 

  • nene2059
    nene2059 Member Posts: 270
    edited November 2009

    Thanks Annie for the info.  I did find a face serum, moisturizer, sunscreen, and handcream that are all BB that do not have soy as an ingredient.  I use their hand sanitizer (tons of it) as well.  It smells great and does not have harsh chemicals.  Sometimes I spray it at work in the air because I work with the public and it helps "refresh" the air.  Nicest way I could say that.  I will look at their site because the pigments in their lip shimmers are great -just enough color. Thanks again.

  • kayakgirl
    kayakgirl Member Posts: 172
    edited November 2009

    Thanks for sharing the nutrtional resource. It's very interesting.

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited November 2009

    I guess soy sauce is out too.

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited November 2009

    Any ideas on what to use in place of Soy Sauce?

  • nene2059
    nene2059 Member Posts: 270
    edited November 2009

    You may want to double check my facts but I think that soy sauce is mostly wheat and water so it is not really to be avoided as much as things like soy milk.  Pulling from my talk with the nutritionist at the ACS and an article I read somewhere.  Hope that helps.

  • MaddyMason
    MaddyMason Member Posts: 59
    edited November 2009

    Here's MY 2 cents, FWIW! Soy sauce is bad because it is very high in inflammatory glutamates, and this is bad for cancer in general, according to Dr. Russell Blaylock, who wrote the book, "Natural Strategies for the Cancer Patient."  Use sea salt as a substitute. Of course, if I want an occasional Chinese meal I go ahead and eat it, just not every day.

    You can find non-soy based mayonnaise in any health food store, although most of them are made from Canola oil which isn't much better than soy. I have recently found one made with grapeseed oil which I do think is healthier than soy or Canola. I've also made my own out of light extra virgin olive oil, but I get lazy and don't do it all the time. It's tastey, but not as good as good ole Hellmann's!

    HTH! Maddy Mason, Hudson Valley, NY

  • Rabbit_fan
    Rabbit_fan Member Posts: 166
    edited November 2009

    Hi Maddy - what brand in the grapeseed mayo you found?  Is it also low fat?  Thanks!

  • Mandy1313
    Mandy1313 Member Posts: 1,692
    edited November 2009

    I don't use that much mayonnaise but I have started making my own.  It is amazingly easy to make....Gordon Ramsay has a 2 minute video of how to make it---he uses "ground nut oil" and I have found that organic walnut oil tastes quite good.  Gordon Ramsay - Homemade Mayonnaise

    That should be a link to the You Tube but if it does not work, then you can find it by googling "ramsay mayonnaise."   It tastes entirely different from the stuff in a jar...much, much better. You can use it with poached salmon or steamed artichokes...what ever you like.  

    I have also found a prepared mayonnaise that contains sunflower oil as its only oil.  It is a bit "gourmet" though.  It is Delouis fils Mayonnaise.  

  • MaddyMason
    MaddyMason Member Posts: 59
    edited November 2009

    Hi Rabbit Fan,

    The brand I found is called Vegennaise- here is a link about it. http://www.chezbettay.com/pages/dips_dressings1/ddcs_vegenaise1.html

    No, it is not low fat. Trying to cut down on the fat in your diet is total nonsense. If you lower the fat, you raise the carbohydrates, and that is bad for blood sugar and cancer. Fat isn't bad as long as you eat the right kind of fat, and stay away from most Omega 6, or vegetable oil, and hydogenated and partially hydrogenated oils. Stick to olive oil, some nut oils (not too much), high quality animal fats, Omega 3 fats, and organic coconut oil for cooking.

    Maddy Mason, Hudson Valley, NY

  • joanneasiata
    joanneasiata Member Posts: 719
    edited November 2009

    HI THERE LADIES 

    I was just alerted about having soy products if you are ER+/PR+ IS THIS RIGHT , as i love my soy milk and cant tolerate cows milk it makes me feel sick , but come to think of it if i started drinking cows milk again i wouldn't know if it was the milk or the chemo that is making me sick ,lol just a dumb thought !!!

    Any way i was told it helps produce more hormones, would just a little bit really hurt like in your tea or coffee one or twice a day.

    THANKS

    JO JO

  • London-Virginia
    London-Virginia Member Posts: 851
    edited November 2009

    Hi!

    someone I know can't drink cow's milk either, and has now tried Almond mikl which apparently is yummy!  Also, she thought oat milk not too bad.Hope this helps and good wishes

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited November 2009

    Hemp milk. It has a better consistancy than rice milk and almond milk.  It has brown rice syrup as the sweetner.  The chocolate tastes exactly like the chocloate soy silk.  ..the vanilla is too thin.

    My mother in law gave me a recipe to make dressings.  Its so easy.  Four tblsp of any oil and one tblsp of vinegar, one to two tblsp of some dairy (needs to be hand blended or whisked together to emulsify) and anything else to season it like herbs/red onion.  I use organic cream as the dairy and/or put goat cheese into the dressing mix to thicken it.

  • joanneasiata
    joanneasiata Member Posts: 719
    edited November 2009

    THANKS LADIES

      I might  try Goats milk

    Joanne

  • nene2059
    nene2059 Member Posts: 270
    edited November 2009

    I think the main concern with using animal milk is that the animals are given antibiotics, hormones, and steriods.  If you get certified organic it should be from animals that are not given these meds.  I use rice milk and like it very much, but I have never been a big milk drinker so I use it mainly in cereal or other foods.  It does not seem to add flavor to the foods so it does not overpower what you are eating.  I do use organic cow's milk in coffee sometimes and I still get decaf, skim milk lattes from Starbucks.  I do not think that anything in moderation is bad for anyone.  I know that I can get a little obsessive about things that I hear are "bad" for us but we should feel ok, just my opinion, about living a little. I still drink diet pepsi and I am sure that somewhere there is a study that it is bad for me but I enjoy it and have given up alcohol so I think it is a fair trade (in my twisted mind!).  Lately I have just really been thinking that if we just ate things that are not processed into something that cannot be edible, eat things with ingredients that we can pronounce, and just simplify then it has to be good.  I got rid of the plastic containers in my house and use glass and steel instead.  I don't use cosmetics that have parabens, or sulfates and use organic hair and body products.  It is crazy that we have to pay more for them but I feel like it is just the right thing to do and I wish food companies would all go this way.  I just wanted to post what I am feeling about this right now so that we could exchange opinions and info on this topic.  I would love to here what others think.  I always learn so much.  Brands and products to try would be much appreciated because right now I am just learning about organic brands.  Thanks.

  • RunswithScissors
    RunswithScissors Member Posts: 323
    edited November 2009

    I try to make my own mayo, (with olive or sunflower oil)  but I have to admit, especially now while I'm on chemo, that I just don't get around to it as often as I'd like. So I do buy regular mayo and keep it on hand -  Frown

    But I would really  like to stop using it completely. IT will be a top priority when I finish tx. 

    Here's an eye opening snippet about canola oil from The Great Con-ola by Sally Fallon and Mary Enig: 

    "Modern oil processing is a different thing entirely. The oil is removed by a combination of high temperature mechanical pressing and solvent extraction. Traces of the solvent (usually hexane) remain in the oil, even after considerable refining. Like all modern vegetable oils, canola oil goes through the process of caustic refining, bleaching and degumming--all of which involve high temperatures or chemicals of questionable safety. And because canola oil is high in omega-3 fatty acids, which easily become rancid and foul-smelling when subjected to oxygen and high temperatures, it must be deodorized. The standard deodorization process removes a large portion of the omega-3 fatty acids by turning them into trans fatty acids. Although the Canadian government lists the trans content of canola at a minimal 0.2 percent, research at the University of Florida at Gainesville, found trans levels as high as 4.6 percent in commercial liquid oil.24 "

    GROSS! 

  • NancyD
    NancyD Member Posts: 3,562
    edited November 2009

    Yep, stick with pure olive oil.  I like the Hellman's olive oil mayonnaise, and there's also another brand in the health food section of my grocery store which I've tried. Tastes great but is more expensive.

    As far as dressings go, I use Good Seasons and then I'm adding whatever oil. Cindy's Kitchen has a few without any soy oil, too. I love her Real Blue Cheese dressing.

    My daughter is allergic to sesame and tree nuts...has been since she was a toddler. So I'm used to reading content labels for small amounts things added. The further down on the list the ingredient, the smaller the amount used in the prepared food. I've noticed soy lechithin is usually pretty far down. I know it's added as an emulsifier, and that only a few drops will usually be in a whole package of product, so I don't worry about that.

  • Artemis
    Artemis Member Posts: 759
    edited November 2009
    LondonVirginia ~ I was using Almond Breeze brand almond milk and found out it has soy in it.  I'm now using Rice Dream brand rice milk. 
  • Beverly11
    Beverly11 Member Posts: 443
    edited November 2009

    I was told by a dietician in Manitoba that soy lecithin is ok also.

  • Beverly11
    Beverly11 Member Posts: 443
    edited November 2009

    I was told to stay away from soy milk.  I have been drinking vanilla almond milk that is unsweetened.  Trying to avoid refined sugar also.  Adding a bit of stevia sweetens it up.

  • PureFoodSeeker
    PureFoodSeeker Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2010

    Unfortunately Hellmann's Mayonnaise Dressing with Extra Virgin Olive Oil *CONTAINS SOY OIL!* Infact it contains more soy oil than olive oil! :( Beware that names of products that tend to clearly imply their ingredients are often only partially true or can be very misleading as is the case with the product above. You can Google all of your desired products online to examine their ingredients. Good luck! 

  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited January 2010

    ...I just found this thread...   I've been trying to find better alternatives to soy.

    I just found a Natural Peanut Butter, that is soy free...  just peanuts, palm oil, and salt, I think.  As a rule, it's best to try to stay with products that have the shortest list of ingredients...  :D

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