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Brewster, I have a gigantic binder full of ACTUAL RESEARCH to back up everything I've decided to do. If I thought you actually wanted a debate, I'd be busting it out and debating you with evidence.
But, you don't want a debate... you are 100% convinced you're right, that the medical industry and medical doctors are all-knowing and all-wise, and that anything outside of the official, government-endorsed, FDA-approved set of knowledge is fantasy.
Okay, that's great! Yay, you! But WHY are you on the alternative forum if you don't want an intelligent debate with facts, evidence, and sources? If you're so 100% you are right and every person on this forum is wrong, why do you have to degrade yourself to ridicule and insults?
Perhaps your issue is there even being an alternative/complementary sub-form at breastcancer.org. If that's the case, please take that up with forum administrators. I doubt that this sub-forum was set up so that condescending "experts" such as yourself can hurl insults at everyone on it.
If you want to persuade people here to your position, please cite research and link your sources, and we will do the same. We can have an intelligent, grown-up debate. If, instead, you're going to continue to ridicule those who aren't 100% in line with your current set of beliefs, then please, with all due respect, get out of this forum.
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Really? Alright, here is just a sampling of the successes that conventional medicine can claim:
1. Testicular cancer = 90%+ curable. 35 years ago, the exact opposite (90% fatal). Would Lance Armstrong be alive if he had used 'holistic' treatments? No.
2. Hodgkin's lymphoma = 85%+ 25 year survival rate. 40 years ago, almost zero.
3. Breast cancer = 90+% 10 year remission or survival rate for Stage 1-3 combined (without metastasis). Metastatic = not so good. Yet.
4. Childhood acute lymphoblastic leukemia. 90%+ survivable.
OK, let's see the successes of alternative/homeopathic/naturopathic medicine:1. Ehh...
2. Umm...give me a minute
3. Hmm...
This should be all anyone need know in order to make an informed intelligent decision about the credibility or merits of alternative/holistic medicine. What else is there?
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I don't beat myself up anymore because I figured out why...I am human. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Yes, yes and yes. Because I want to live to see my children graduate from high school, get married, finish the football game (tonight) I have indeed chosed to be treated medically, as well as alternatively. That is MY choice. Making a choice is a very personal decision. All choices have consequences. Because chose to take a calcium suppement ( sorry if this is offensive) I know that the consequence might be constipation. I also chose to eat dinner, anticipating the consequence of being satiated afterwards. Making informed choices is probably the most important thing about anyone's treatment. Ridiculing, lecturing or judging someone for a choice that they voluntarily make is not acceptable. Making someone feel badly about their choice is also not acceptable. What caused this? I don't know. I do know that I do not want to be blamed. Because then I feel ashamed. Shame comes from the belief that one IS bad. Feeling guilty reflects upon having DONE something bad. Everybody's fight is different. My father chose to "fight" the most horrible form of untreatable brain cancer. It was terminal. It made him feel good to fight in whichever way that he could. I learned a huge lesson as he died in my arms. This was a man who was a charter subsciber to "Prevention" Magazine. I take my supplements. I watch what I consume. I had surgery, and horrific chemo. That was my choice. No one told me what to do with my own body.
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Lets remember once again that the ideas presented here are not to convince anyone. They are ideas for each individual to go research more on for themselves and then make decisions based on what they want. Lets not assume that the women that come here are mindless robots that will just hear something and go with it without some checking. Thus no need, or even desire, on this thread for the anti-natural police.
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Conventional medicine has made some glaring blunders over the years. Do the terms thalidomide, and DES mean anything to you? How about the fact that some doctors still insist on treating ulcers the old fashioned way instead of getting to the root of the problem and treating the underlying bacterial infection? For how many years was vitamin D deficiency totally ignored in relation to breast cancer?
If you will only accept natural agents that have full clinical trials documenting their effectiveness, then you won't accept any natural agents because there is no money to be won if the non-patenbtable agent is as effective as or more effective than treatments already out there in the mainstream, and clinical trials are too expensive for companies or institutions to launch with no promise of monetary gain at the end of the trial.
A mainstream drug is a "miracle" if it performs a couple of percentage points better than the current miracle drug, but unless a natural agent acheives a complete cure, it is considered a failure????????
It is curious to me that the timeline of the skyrocketing rate of breast cancer in this country reflects the systemic lowering of iodine in the American diet, and the increased use of flouride and bromide which compete with it for absorption in the body. Do I think that iodine will cure all breast cancer? NO. Might it make a difference in preventing a recurrence for some people? Maybe. For that reason I've changed my supplements to make sure that I get the RDA of iodine every day which I wasn't getting before my diagnosis.
No one will get rich selling iodine if it is shown to be an effective piece of the puzzle against breast cancer. I hope that eventually perhaps some government supported, or donation supported group will back a clinical trial to either prove or disprove its usefulness as a treatment.
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Patmom, you wrote:
"........A mainstream drug is a "miracle" if it performs a couple of percentage points better than the current miracle drug, but unless a natural agent acheives a complete cure, it is considered a failure????????"
You know, I've been wondering, as well.......
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Brewster,
You joined BCO last month--in the midst of the Suzanne Somers debate, if I recall correctly. You have only 19 posts, all of them dedicated to grinding your ax about the stupidity of people who make choices different from your own. Hmmm. Do you have breast cancer? If so, why dont you post about your own challenges, offer your experience, as opposed to what you have read. Perhaps you are an oncologist who decided to do "charity" consultations online? Or maybe another member who changed usernames because for some reason you dont want people to connect your statements with your previous screen name?
Whatever the case may be, coming here to lash out at people who make choices you disagree with is not OK. People have the right to believe what they believe, even if you think they are wrong to do so. It´s their lives, not yours. You may not think of yourself as a troll, but your 19-post history is downright trollish. Take a deep breath and a reality check, maybe a stiff drink as well. Take some time to enjoy the weekend and come back in a better mood. For your own sake as well as ours.
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I created this power point presentation today to help tell the story of the mammary tumor virus, aka the PInk Virus, and its possible role in human breast cancer. I hope the viewers will find it interesting and informative.
Go to the link below to see the presentation:
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Just an FYI for those who don't venure out of this area - this Ruddy woman appears to be trying to sell a book and make some money of us cancer patients. She has no business spamming the forum with her links and videos.
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yep, i was diagnosed with cancer in 2007. 100% hormone positive estrog. and progest. cancer.
no not just on anecdotal stuff. my mother and i have looked at 100s of mainstream scientific studies over the last few years. from both sides of hte fence. and read books written by doctors and others about it.
i had mainstream stuff first. i didnt feel like it was helping me after a point, so i switched to alternative treatments. speciifically i now go to a chinese doctor. i feel a lot better and happier and more positive than i did before.
but each to their own.
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thumbs up for your post. dont forget magnesium. your body needs enuf mg and selenium to fight cancer and have a strong immune system. most people are magnesium deficient. getting enough green leafy vegetables is key. brazil nuts are good sources of selenium. but you may still need a supplement or mg baths if your nails are brittle or there are other signs your body isnt getting enough magnesium.
yes iodine is critical. and deficiency is also linked to fibrocystic breast disease/breast cancer. studies in rats shown that ones given iodine fought off cancer. also wakame seaweed in lab tests was shown to be more effecitve than the chemo drug 5 flouricil. motto of the story: EAT YOUR SUSHI!!!!!.
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well i dont know why everyone gets so upset about the 'false hope' stuff. mainstream doesnt say there's a 100% cure rate for cancer. we all KNOW that. so everyone is naturally scared. to me, once you've exhausted mainstream therapy and if that has not worked, then false hope is better than no hope at all. even if it WAS false hope, which i dont happen to believe.
whats wrong with hope? everyone is different. some people NEED hope, no matter what. and they cope better that way. people are adults and can make their own choices.
some may not want the mainstream route, and thats their choice.
and personally, i wud rather have false hope than none at all.
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reply to brewster. have you been to china? cuz i think you will find that until VERY recently with the influences of globalisation they did not eat dairy at all. this is a historical fact so i dont see the point in debating it further with you. their word for cheese actually means 'solid mucus'.
most people in china did not eat a lot of red meat until recently when its become more affordable. thats another historically verifyable fact. maybe you should do some research yourself.
many chinese are buddhist and dont drink alcohol.
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i disagree that cancer is proof the body cant fight it. if that were so the death rate from cancer wud be 100%. the fact that some survive is proof that with help, the body can fight it. your body is the ONLY thing that can fight it. what else have you got? the only thing standing between any person and illness or disease is the body's immune system. it is the ONLY way ANYONE can be cured of ANYTHING. drugs attempt to utilize mechanisms to make this work, but unfortunately the body will often reject drugs. think about it - food is complex; drugs are purified substances and often artificially modified. it is likely that the body cannot work well wiht such substances and this shows up in all the massive side effects they give. also often drugs work AGAINST the body's natural systems .e.g by making you go into early menopause etc or blocking certain mechanisms.
plants often may do the same thing as drugs but in a gentler way that the body can cope with. unfortunately no one can patent and make money out of plants so theres no profit in researching this for drug companies.
for example, my scientist friend is currently working on mango extracts and the benefits they can have for cancer. taking extracts and fiddling with the structure etc. modifying the substance. it might be a better idea to just eat the mango; but there's no money in that, so no one's gonna tell you to.
this is the state we're in when we let drug companies get too much power over the medical 'industry'???? since when is medicine an 'industry'???? isnt it about healing people not money?
where do you think drugs come from? plants, originally. they find a plant in the amazon (like cats claw) that shamans and indigenous people know has massive health benefits. then they test it in labs and modify it so they can turn it into something they can patent and make money out of. you cannot patent or own a natural substance.
this is a MAJOR problem for western medicine.
doctors get their info from medical journals and who? DRUG COMPANY REPRESENTATIVES. really unbiased sources of information no? especially as often journals, medical schools and unis are funded by? ???? yes.... thats right. drug companies. also doctors are taught next to NOTHING about nutrition in med school. i wonder why.
so naturally they think all plants herbs and natural medicines are a load of crock. how would they know any better?
my chinese doctor can list the effects and benefits of 100s of herbs and how they work in the body. my other doctor wudnt know what camomile does probably. and yet we all KNOW that herbs have medicinal and health properties... dont we now. so why dont our doctors know anything about htem? my other doctor gets all her info from drug company reps and drug company lectures. doesnt fill me with unbounded confidence im sorry.
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Research has shown that there are 3 psychological variables that can help determine a positive outcome of a life threatening diagnosis or other trauma.
1) the ability to appraise your own emotional state
2) the ability to reasonably predict what will happen next
3) maintaining a sense of optimism
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Fairyfloss, you wrote: "..... whats wrong with hope?"
Nothing is wrong with hope, except when it bankrupts the economy with larger and larger health care bills that don't result in any significant life extension (people live only a matter of 2-3 months extra on Avastin and other "cutting-edge" drugs). In addition to that, those brutal treatments are devastating in terms of quality of life.
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Fairyfloss wrote: "you cannot patent or own a natural substance."
Just wanted to correct the record. That isn't a true statement. It is very unfortunate but the US does allow such patents.
Seeds, for instance, may now be patented and human genes are another sad example:
http://bcaction.org/index.php?page=newsletter-106a
"BCA Joins Coalition to Challenge BRCA Gene Patents"
An article on the patenting of life forms:
"Biological diversity is undergoing a dangerous wave of privatisation under the label of "intellectual property rights," through the patenting of plants, animals, genes and smaller parts of DNA."
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Solarbeam, I am very curious why German chamomile is on your list of foods to avoid for ER/PR+. Chamomile tea is a natural aromatase inhibitor, so I have been drinking it like crazy. According to your list, I should not be doing this. Chrysin is also on your list and although I have not purchased any yet, I was thinking of it since it is also listed as a natural aromatase inhibitor. The quercetin in apples put them on the natural aromatase inhibitor list as well. Please share your knowledge on this since I thought I was doing a good thing by searching for natural aromatase inhibitors. Thanks.
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Yes, I would like to know, as well.
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This is very interesting to me. Aromatase inhibitors are a class of drugs used in the treatment of breast cancer and ovarian cancer in postmenopausal women. Some cancers require estrogen to grow. Aromatase is an enzyme that synthesizes estrogen. Aromatase inhibitors block the synthesis of estrogen. This lowers the estrogen level, and slows the growth of cancers. The list that I have shared here I got from my oncology team as things to stay away from in concentrated form because they are estrogen based. I will look further into this and speak with my medical oncologist for further advise on those particular things and get back to you for sure. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
God bless.
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Fairyfloss -- you are very wrong about China. Having been to Hong Kong and mainline China 3 times the past 10 years they definitely do eat many different animals and fish. Guandong, which is reputed to be the main region for the culinary arts, have very interesting recipies. I browsed a recipe book for all sorts of dishes, including monkey and dog. I was horrified, but it is true. You really need to get your facts right.
Edited to add -- you're wrong about alcohol -- Chinese beer, for example, is good.
One more edit -- the aforementioned recipies are definitely not from globalization but from Chinese tradition.
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Cannot be farther from the truth-(unless it is a fast moving cancer which is not the norm). Cancer is in you body and visible over 10 times during your life. However, if you immune system is strong, it will beat the cancer. There is not any proof that Chemo or Radiation improves your quality of life of increases your odds--I would love to see any proof!!!!!
Sugar, stress, the wrong type of Estrogen(synthetic) or unopposed (seems to be the case), inflamation in the body are some of the main causes.
Did you know there are over 84,000 chemicals that mimic estrogen-(and not the good type). They are in the soil fertilizers, pesticides, food and drugs. Estrogen makes cells divide while Progesterone does the opposite. Fat in the mid-section-(does not mean you look fat - do a BMI) makes Estrone and too much Estrone seerms to be a bad thing)
If you balance your hormones-(bio identical/bio memenic, iodine, reduce stress-(not Xanax but Progesterone), lower bodyfat, avoid too much sugar, boost you adrenals/immune system, sleep_(not Ambian but Progesterone), you will drastically lower your chances.
Hope this helps for starters
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it's a free country and one is allowed to post untruths..
i don't know that they help.
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i think taht the main cause of cancer doesn't matter of which cancer type we have is INFECTION- UNTREATED INFECTION- why somebody that have never smoked a cigarette has lung cancer-because of a untreated infections of the lungs or untreated cold,flu.
why colon cancer-infections-
it is for me an answer.we do not take care enought of us.any cancer grows in a acid enviroment.so the viruses,bacteria and all the bad things as well fungi.
when we have this in our bodies the normal thin is that the body fight but in case the organ is weak the cell begins to multiply and so we have cancer.infection this is the answer.
you know girls in time this guys are going to find that the cure is an antibiotic but the problem is that the solution is in the genes there is the answer,we destroy our body because of what we eat,what we drink,the air.
2 problems
a)did you breast feed your sons,ur babygirs- why cancer-breast cancer-?it remained something in our ducts
b)our rna enheritage.
this is what we are we wash external our bodies but inside do we wash the body?
we must think about a car that instead of gas we put something else.
we are what we eat,what we belive in.
we think that we are GOD,we the people .he gave us such a simple book THE BIBLE where we have the answers we need.
hugs
Gabriela
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amowc wrote: " Cannot be farther from the truth-(unless it is a fast moving cancer which is not the norm). Cancer is in you body and visible over 10 times during your life. However, if you immune system is strong, it will beat the cancer."
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amowc - I see ppl post this statement all the time, but I've never seen anyone give the source for where they heard it.
My doctor is putting me through chemo because she said she can't know for sure if cancer cells are still are circulating in my body - she said they have no way to see them.
If it's true they can't be seen, how could anyone know that we have cancer 10 times? Please, will you post the source when posting "facts"?
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AMOWC -- you want proof, I'm your proof. I'd be dead right now if it wasn't for the chemo and rads. My QOL is great. My Mom, who had rads is a 15 year suvivor -- there's a bit more proof for you.
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Rads is used only to prevent local recurrence in the breast. Rads has no effect on survival except to compromise heart and lungs up the road. You can look this up.
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The rads killed her cancer so it hopefully wouldn't come back -- i.e., mop up any cells that might have been missed in the lumpectomy. Stopping a local occurance is nipping it at the bud. Mopping up even 1 renegade cell helps with survival. It only takes 1 cell to get mets. Tamox helped too. Never said rads had anything to do with her heart.
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Gabriella you will find many many many women here who ate right, exercised, maintained a heatlthy weight and never got sick...Not even a cold...And guess what?...They got breast cancer anyway....And most of us here DO read the Bible and we DO eat the way it says to.....We STILL got cancer!........Are you saying thatr WE caused our cancer?....You could not be further from the truth and if it were so easy that our cancer was caused by a GERM then none of us who ever took anibiotics would even have to have this conversation..We would be out living our lives CANCER FREE.......Cancer does not grow in an acid environment when it is in the ducts.....There is no acidic environment in the milk ducts.......If cancer were caused by an INFECTION we would all be cured........Please don't come here telling us we caused our own cancer just because of what we did or didn't eat or do.......
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