Radiation with tissue expander

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  • strngwmn39
    strngwmn39 Member Posts: 77
    edited October 2009

    Hello all, 

    I am 13 treatments away from finishing and so far, my skin seems to be ok, which surprises the heck out of me. However, I am having a lot of swelling, and with a tissue expander that is the size of a small C, I'm pretty tight. Each treatment makes the swelling worse.

    My skin is not inflamed yet, but its very hot and tender. The idea of someone sticking a needle in my expander to reduce the size makes me sweat.

    Is there anything I can do to reduce the swelling so I don't have to do that?

    Thanks,
    Michelle 

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited October 2009

    Yeah, I got pretty tight and drainage of the expander was mentioned ,but my doctor didn't like the idea of sticking any needles in the already radiated spot.  I suppose everyone is different, thought.  I finished rads in July and I am still waiting for the go ahead on surgery.  The PS wanted the swelling to go down.  I have to admit I have slathered on the aloe vera-100% and got products from the doc to try and that helped with the inflammation.  I also put on vitamin 3, especially after treatment and that helped a tremendous amount-skin turned nice and soft and the redness went away except for a section under my arm pit. 

    I also stretched and massaged the foob.  I had to watch how much I worked out because my muscles down my side into my rib cage would get really tight and hurt. 

    HOpe that helps.  You will be soooooooooo glad when you are done. 

  • jrgolomb
    jrgolomb Member Posts: 1,236
    edited October 2009

    ooops I meant vitamin E  LOL!!!

  • ccbaby
    ccbaby Member Posts: 985
    edited November 2009

    I got done with my radiation exactly a month ago and my expander did well during the treatments, or so I thought. A week ago, I noticed a small 'hole' along my mastectomy scar and it was dark in color. I asked my radiologist what it was and he said he didn't really know for sure. This week, the 'hole' started draining a yellowish fluid. I went back to the radiologist again and he said he hadn't seen anything like it before and set me up an appointment with my plastic surgeon. My PT said that the dark color we could see is my expander! The radiation caused the expander to push through the muscle and opened up an area of my scar. It is contaminated now and that means that I cannot get implants. I will either have to have the  flap surgery or just have the expander taken out and have nothing there. I am very upset because I didn't want the flap surgery at all. And now I have worn this very uncomfortable expander for 9 months for nothing. I need to make up my mind quickly because he needs to get the expander out before it gets infected.

  • Carolyn2008
    Carolyn2008 Member Posts: 202
    edited November 2009

    ccbaby  so sorry to hear about your expander and your muscle breaking down why is it that they cant redo the expander and use alloderm?

  • LynnVA
    LynnVA Member Posts: 174
    edited November 2009

    I'm sorry ccbaby, that just sucks. 

  • ccbaby
    ccbaby Member Posts: 985
    edited November 2009
    Thanks girls..and Carolyn,  my PS didn't mention doing it that way to me...He did say something about the muscle breaking down...I can ask him about it.
  • jhwkr
    jhwkr Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2009

    Hi ladies, Hopefully you can help me, too.  I have been undergoing neoadjuvant treatment for Stage III breast cancer with lymph node involvement.  Don't know any other details, but I have my last chemo on the 23rd and then I will have surgery next month.  I met with my general surgeon before my last chemo last week and she said we WILL do this type of reconstruction (TRAM flap).  After a lot of research and emails back and forth to my GS, I don't want to be forced into a more invasive reconstruction.  I spent all weekend crying over this and my GS won't budge, so I have an appt with the PS on the 11th for another opinion.  I was hoping to see some success stories on having the mastectomy with TE before RADS.  I meet with the RAD ONC on the 23rd before my last chemo so I will discuss options there, too.  It has helped me a lot to see these stories so that I can take some of this to heart.  I just need to know if anyone had lymph node involvement in the chest wall (I have one under the Pectoralis Major muscle which is my GS's excuse for not doing TE/implants).  Any info is greatly appreciated.

    Scherri

  • FACECRAFTER
    FACECRAFTER Member Posts: 1,092
    edited November 2009

    Get a 2nd opinion.  Although there in nothing wrong with the TRAM flap, I, like you, would want a choice in the matter.  I had implants in and partially expanded during radiation, and I did fine (so far)

    I am 4 months out rads with no problems.  And I had lymph node involvement as well, although not under my muscle.  As you know, we are all different, and your GS is NOT the one to make this decision.  Your PS should be the one making it..GS cuts it out...only a PS knows what can and cannot be done during reconstruction.  If your PS thinks this is the case, get a second opinion..Your GS opinion is not the first, your PS opinion is the first...  JUDY

  • SpunkyGirl
    SpunkyGirl Member Posts: 1,568
    edited November 2009

    Mikk,

    I had an expander, and went through 28 rad treatments.  I didn't have any major issues.  That was over two years ago, and the skin on that side is still a little darker but that would be the case anyway.  Good luck!

    Bobbie

  • SpunkyGirl
    SpunkyGirl Member Posts: 1,568
    edited November 2009

    Mikk,

    I had an expander, and went through 28 rad treatments.  I didn't have any major issues.  That was over two years ago, and the skin on that side is still a little darker but that would be the case anyway.  Good luck!

    Bobbie

  • jhwkr
    jhwkr Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2009

    Thank you so much, Judy.  That is exactly what my husband and I thought.  This forum really helps a lot!

  • lbrewer
    lbrewer Member Posts: 766
    edited November 2009

    Judy's right.  Get the opinion from your PS.  They should be involved in the planning from the very beginning. And the decision is yours.  Learn all you can about the different types of reconstruction, write your questions down and ask EVERY one of them until you are satisfied.  GS can not do all the types of surgery that a skilled PS can.

  • FACECRAFTER
    FACECRAFTER Member Posts: 1,092
    edited November 2009

    Oh good!! Glad I could help a little...JUDY

  • Colette37
    Colette37 Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    The PS refused to put the TE in if I needed to have rads, until the rads were done and then even that; use a Lat Dorsi to help the skin stretch with the TE.

    It is common that they will put a TE in before having rads?

  • 39mom2babies
    39mom2babies Member Posts: 46
    edited November 2009

    It is becoming more common to put TE in before rads.  I have just completed my fills and will start rads in a few weeks.  If your PS refuses it might mean he/she is not comfortable with the procedure and you would need to seek another PS opinion.  There are more complications with TE and Rads, but still low enough that I am giving it a shot.  So far, so good.

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited November 2009

    If you want to try for implant ONLY.. you HAVE to get that TE in there at your Mast...

    I was fully expanded before rads started.. then rads... then exchange.

    Some, Like our Dear Judy... Get 1/2 expanded before rads and finish up after rads.

    If you want to see my pictures...  I am FINALLY done with all treatments and surgery.... PM me and I will tell you how to do this..

    YES... your PS is the one who tells you your OPTIONS for reconstruction... not your BS/GS/

    CCBABY.... We have talked on FB about all this... but I want you to know here too.. I love ya and I will get you me PS #. SS!

  • Carolyn2008
    Carolyn2008 Member Posts: 202
    edited November 2009

    I also had radiation with the te and had very little problems like blisters and slightly red but have been finished now since July 09 and skin is doing great my only suggestion is to keep putting aloe on 3 times a day or as much as you can I found this to be my life saver... I also was able to have more fills once rads was completed and now going in for my exchange in 19 days......... PM me if you would would love to answer any questions that i can... take care

  • jhwkr
    jhwkr Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2009

    I feel A LOT more confident going into my appt with the PS next week.  I have been set on my decision, but with all the push back I have been getting from my GS, it was getting very overwhelming.  I feel so much better!  Thank you all for your help.  I'll keep checking back and I'll let you all know how the appt comes out on Wed.

  • Carolyn2008
    Carolyn2008 Member Posts: 202
    edited November 2009

    jhwkr-  I also had a problem with my GS regarding the te he didn't want to put one in at the time of my mx due to treatment but i insisted to have one put in and would take any complications that came along with it and all went well so you tell him what you want and good luck.

  • jhwkr
    jhwkr Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2009

    Thanks, Carolyn.  I know that sometimes you have to take charge and tell them what you want to do.  I have a lot more confidence in this procedure than I do the TRAM flap.  I understand that there are complications with anything, but at least I know that if there is failure with the TE's I can always go to the TRAM.  I can't do it the other way around if there are problems.  I can breathe a little easier going into this weekend than last.  Thanks again.

  • Carolyn2008
    Carolyn2008 Member Posts: 202
    edited November 2009

    np if you would like some more info or anything feel free to pm and keep us posted.

  • ktn
    ktn Member Posts: 181
    edited November 2009

    Scherri-

    I also was stage III BC (ILC) and had tumours on both breasts. It was recommended to me by my GS and agreed upon by my PS to have tissue expanders placed. I had care at a highly rated cancer center here in Mpls. My largest tumour was at the very top of my breast along the chest wall. Because I had more of a thickening than a lump, they felt a tram flap for me would mask any recurrence. They said the TE would push any growth forward and would be really obvious. I had TE placed by the PS at the time of my mast., had chemo and fills done, then did radiation to both sides for almost 6 weeks and that ended last Feb. My exchange to silicone was in Aug. My skin has done well and I am very pleased with everything. My PS said there are always risks with TE and that increases with radiation but many do just fine. My PS is excellent and pretty conservative with things and this was the best ption for me. Don't feel you have to be pushed into something you don't really want. Hope your PS appt goes well- they are the ones that do all the reconstruction stuff anyway. I had my final appt with my GS after one year but still am seeing my PS- you'll see them more than anyone if you have TE!!!   Good Luck! Kathy

  • jhwkr
    jhwkr Member Posts: 10
    edited November 2009

    Thank you so much, Kathy.  It means a great deal to me.  I will let you all know how it goes.

  • gfrey
    gfrey Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2009

    I appreciate this dialog about TE and rads. One thing I'd add in terms of getting second opinions from PC's is to really find one who does a lot of reconstruction surgeries. Reconstruction isn't glamorous or lucrative and many PC's do mostly cosmetic work b/c it pays better. Interview the person and ask how many reconstructions they do per week AND ask for referrals.

    I've skimmed through the discussion and people have recommended aloe and Vit E--is there anything else folks recommend during the process of TE + rads? I'll start in a couple of weeks and want to facilitate a good outcome. I'm really fair skinned and I've read this may be a negative. However, my mom, who is also fair skinned, went through it earlier this year and did really well, Any advice and/or suggestions would be appreciated!  

  • FACECRAFTER
    FACECRAFTER Member Posts: 1,092
    edited November 2009

    MIADERM is made especially for radiation patients by a group of doctors.  I used it and loved it..It has aloe, and vit E, and a host of other stuff.  No parabens, and nothing greasy.  I put t on at least twice a day and still do  in preparation for the exchange..  You have to get it online.

    I also used Cocoa butter, It is a good lubricator,,gets into the skin really well..rather than sit on top like aquaphor or other petrolatum based products...  Good luck.  JUDY

  • gfrey
    gfrey Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2009

    Judy, thanks for the Miaderm rec. I'll look it up online. I'm glad you had luck w/cocoa butter--it'd be nice to use something simple and easy to purchase.

    I've just finished my stretching exercise and that brings me to another question...how does it feel to be on the radiation table? I'm only a little over a week after my tubes have been taken out and I can put my arms over my head, but my expanders feel pretty darned cumbersome when I'm lying down. I was SO flat chested before that I'm not used have anything protruding:) I guess I'm wondering how much flexibility is needed to be relatively comfortable on the table?

  • FACECRAFTER
    FACECRAFTER Member Posts: 1,092
    edited November 2009

    First of all it is really quick- like less than 5-10 minutes. 

    As for comfort, make sure you establish your comfortable position--tell the staff in the room if you are uncomfortable,,they can adjust (a little) and still get the field right.   You will first have a simulation, where everything is lined up- that is the time to tell them.  The next time you go you will start Tx.  And then it's over!!  YAY!!! ..The days go by really fast, especially since it is everyday.  Take it easy, and good luck!  JUDY

  • gfrey
    gfrey Member Posts: 43
    edited November 2009

    Another question for you all...is there any concern that having the immediate reconstruction will make it more difficult to detect local recurrences?

    I know I should have asked these questions BEFORE making the decision. I really went back and forth. When I was first diagnosed and they were talking immediate surgery I said "no" to immediate reconstruction b/c it was too much--no time to process. Then when they decided on neoadjuvent chemo I had time to reconsider and although my rad onc wasn't for it b/c he said it made his job harder, my breast surgeon and onc supported my decision to go ahead w/the immediate recon. Now I'm second guessing myself, which is what I always do. It's probably why I seldom remodel my house--if I can barely pick out paint colors how the heck am I supposed to pick out new boobs?

  • Carolyn2008
    Carolyn2008 Member Posts: 202
    edited November 2009

    Hi well my understanding is that it doesn't make a difference I had immediate reconstruction and they said you would be able to detect any recurrences.

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