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I'm having my *good* breast removed next week.  My BS really, really wants me to have the PS put in TE then.  I'm just not sold on recon.  Of course, I *want* foobies, but am not sure what kind of recon I want.  (Honestly, I don't really like ANY of the options.)  In any evnet, my BS and oncologist are trying to convince me to go ahead with recon NOW and not wait.  My couselor (strangely enough) thinks I should consider it.  My DH agrees with her but also is OK with no recon so long as I'm happy.  (Everyone seems to think that foobies will make me feel better and will get me out of this *depression* I'm in.)  I called a friend of mine who is a breast surgeon and she said I should wait if I have any doubts...

So, tell me that it isn't bad being breastless... I'm already used to the prosthesis on the one side and look fine in clothes...

Also, my onc and BS tell me that they don't have a SINGLE 30-something patient who opted out... ANyone out there 30-something (or 40-something) who is *happy* with their decision?  I need to go back to my old thread 'cause I know that there were several who posted on there...

Make me feel better!Cry

Michele

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  • my3girls
    my3girls Member Posts: 3,766
    edited October 2009

    Sorry Michele that you are having doubts and difficulty with your decision. I am sure there are women who will come along who have made this decision and are happy. It truly is a personal one. I agree with your firend who is a BS, and said to wait, if you have doubts.



    I knew before my mastectomy, that I wanted my left side reconstructed. So I did have it 4 months later. But that is me.



    Wishing you all the best with your decision.



    xoxo

    Lisa

  • BoobsinaBox
    BoobsinaBox Member Posts: 550
    edited October 2009

    Michele,

    I am very happy with my new body, and I did NOT have reconstruction.  Sure, I'd be glad not to have had a bilateral mastectomy, if I hadn't had cancer.  And I did try wearing prostheses for about a year, but for most of the past 31/2 years, I've been flat as can be, and I like that better than any of the alternatives.  But I'm the one who made these decisions, and I'm the only one who could move me to a better place.  I cried a LOT for the first 3 months.  Then I cried occasionally.  I can't remember when the last time was that I cried about being boobless.  But all this is about me.  It is not about you.  

    The decisions I made might or might not be right for you.  The decisions of women who chose recon might or might not be right for you.  What I resent for myself and others is all the people (doctors, friends, family, even strangers) who have not had to make those decisions for themselves and who think THEY know what YOU need.  They don't.  If you are not ready to make a decision, then you shouldn't be pressured to make it.  That's what I think, but even that doesn't matter.  Being depressed about having cancer and the results of treatment is normal.  It takes us a long time to come to peace with ourselves.  Lisa found her peace with recon.  I found mine going "flat". Others found theirs with prostheses. You will make the best decision for you after you find some peace for yourself.  Meanwhile, don't let anyone, including me, tell you what to do!  You have a good head on your shoulders, and I trust you to use it for your own best interests.

    I join Lisa in wishing you all the best in making your decisions when you are ready.

    Dawn 

  • chainsawz
    chainsawz Member Posts: 3,473
    edited October 2009

    Michele - I had a bilateral mastectomy last year without reconstruction. I did not want to rush into reconstruction because I felt that was not easy surgery and I wasn't sure I really wanted it.  Turns out I don't want it at all - I don't wear a prothesis either!   I had large D cups and it seemed like everyone looked.....not one person has even noticed my flat chest.  I love not wearing a bra.  I do wish my stomach was a little flatter, but oh well!  It's all a personal choice and what you need to be comfortable.  Just know that more and more of us are resisting reconstruction and are happy to have noobes (no boobs)! 

    lisa

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited October 2009

    Hi Michele, 

    It is a very difficult decision, but it has to be YOUR decision.  I think waiting until you can feel comfortable with your choice makes all the sense in the world.

    If you have not already checked out the Breast Free site, please do.  It was created by one of our BC.org members, "Erica"  (Barbara) and has become a wonderful resource for women in exactly your position.  I think you will find it very helpful.

    http://breastfree.org/

    I opted for bilateral mastectomy without reconstruction at the age of 52 and have not regretted it for a minute.

    Best Wishes for you.  

    Linda

  • Celtic_Spirit
    Celtic_Spirit Member Posts: 748
    edited October 2009

    Hi, Michele,

    I had a bilateral mastectomy 18 months ago and, as of yet, no reconstruction. I'm in no hurry and may never opt for it. My body is once again strong and healthy, and that's what I care most about. I've adjusted well to the protheses...wear them hiking and biking and sometimes forget to take them off when I go to bed! I had large, painful breasts that prevented me from wearing nice clothes and participating in certain sports. I was actually looking into having a reduction when I was diagnosed. I dropped 3-4 shirt sizes after my mastectomy, and my body image is actually better. I'm much happier looking like Keira Knightly than Dolly Parton!

    I have heard from both doctors and women who've had reconstruction that it can be a painful, long recovery, and several women I've known had to have multiple surgeries due to necrotic tissue, poor healing, rejection of implants or flaps, etc. For other women, it's a few weeks of pain and they're fine. It really depends on what makes you happy.

  • Christine2000
    Christine2000 Member Posts: 176
    edited October 2009

    I opted out of recon also--but I have to say, i feel like i was lucky that I ended up doing chemo before surgery because I got SO MUCH pressure to do recon--if I had gone right into surgery I would have just done it. After 5 months of chemo I had time to think about it and realize that it was not for me. No regrets.

  • lisa-e
    lisa-e Member Posts: 819
    edited October 2009

    Michele, I am not as young as you but I had a bilateral mastectomy and decided not to have reconstruction.  I am happy with the decision, although I do feel like it was the best of a bad lot of alternatives.

    I remember my surgeon telling me that the decision to have reconstruction or to opt out would have to be my own.  During this period, when I was making up my mind my dh refrained from telling me what he preferred.  After I decided against reconstruction, he said that he would have preferred that I have reconstruction.  However; after he learned more about what was involved and why I decided against reconstruction, he was fine with my decision.

    Take your time; if you aren't certain about reconstruction at this point, don't let anyone talk you into it.   You have to be comfortable with your choice and it is not your responsibility to make any one else happy.

  • nagem
    nagem Member Posts: 353
    edited October 2009

    I've been hearing about fat transplants, where fat is liposuctioned with needles from your fattest area—belly or buttocks or thighs—and injected into your chest. There's no cutting involved, although it's not painless, so muscles stay intact. A friend had it done, and she's delighted with her result. It's not yet widely done, but apparently Miami and NYU are two places where surgeons are good at this. Might be worth looking into.

  • Moissy
    Moissy Member Posts: 550
    edited October 2009

    I was a 40 something who had single mast. and no recon. Prior to the surgery I was totally sure I wanted recon. Due to the size of my tumor, I was told I would need to wait until six months later. It's now 5 years later. The docs occasionally still ask me if I am considering recon. Having considered all the options available, for me, I just don't want to do it.

    You can always choose to have it done later. I had read posts on this site from women who had gone through the surgery, and I just didn't want to do it. It doesn't matter how old or young you are, the surgery is what it is.  If it would bring back the sensations and give me a breast that functioned like the one I lost, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But I know that isn't the case.   I would never have thought I would be happy without recon, but I am. 

     I think sometimes good intentioned "outsiders" push us toward the recon because they think it is going to "fix": things. And they want us to be happy. I felt very differently six months after the surgery than I did beforehand. Listen to your inner gut, and take your time to make your decision. I am happy that the options exist for reconstruction. Maybe someday I will change my mind. But for now, I am  happy as is -- and know that I have the option to recon at any time in the future if I decide I want to. Good luck with your decision.

  • MicheleS
    MicheleS Member Posts: 937
    edited October 2009

    Thanks everyone! I just needed re-assurance that it is *my* decision and that there's no rush.

     I called the BS's office and had it put on the schedule as a "simple mastectomy, no recon."

  • Celtic_Spirit
    Celtic_Spirit Member Posts: 748
    edited October 2009

    Nagem - The Japanese and British are doing clinical trials on the fat transfer method using fat stem cells harvested from the patient's stomach area. So far, the results are very good, but they haven't been able to create a whole breast yet, just augmentation or filling in holes left by lumpectomy. This is one of the reasons I'm in no hurry for reconstruction; I'm hoping in another five years or so that they've perfected this method and someone in the U.S. will be doing it.

    Michele - A woman with my hospital's bc volunteer group waited 16 years to have reconstruction. No particular reason for the wait...just wasn't interested for a long time. You can always change your mind later.

  • Jaimieh
    Jaimieh Member Posts: 2,373
    edited October 2009

    Okay I can't say that I am happy with my decision (as you know it was made by my body) BUT it's not so bad.  Well besides my body having fluid issues it honestly isn't the end of the world in my eyes.  You will do great (and I am not just blowing smoke)!  I would do the skin sparing if you think that reconstruction may ever be in your future (so there is some skin to work with) and then if you decide otherwise you can always remove the extra skin.  It is all you decision there is no rush and whatever chose you make it IS THE RIGHT ONE (do you hear me yelling...lol....). 

  • my3girls
    my3girls Member Posts: 3,766
    edited October 2009

    Michele, I do agree with Jaimieh. Just in case down the road, you do want to reconstruct, you may ask your bs to do a skin sparing mast. That is what I had done, and then the Tram Flap reconstruction later.

    good luck!!!

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited October 2009

    Michele,

    While my3girls is correct that a skin sparing mastectomy can make reconstruction a little easier down the road, on the other hand a chest with skin folds doesn't look nearly as nice as a flat chest and a breast form may not be as comfortable. Also, if I'm correct, unless you do reconstruction fairly quickly (within a year), I believe the extra skin may lose its elasticity and not be usable for recon (I'm not sure I'm correct about this; maybe someone else will know for sure).

    Even though I had not ruled out recon down the road, I chose to do a simple bilateral mastectomy without skin sparing. I can still do recon if I ever choose to. It's been over three years and so far, the further out I get, the less interested I am. I think that's partly because I've gotten used to the new me and after all this time am confident that I look fine. 

    Nagem and Celtic-Spirit,

    I did some searching online and found the Miami plastic surgeon who has pioneered the fat transfer technique. Here's a link to the website: http://www.miamibreastcenter.com/breast-reconstruction-miami.html. It looks interesting, but there are some issues that would concern me if I were considering this. First, I'm not sure if radiated skin could stretch appropriately using the suction device and I've had radiation to one side. Second, since even the best mastectomy surgery leaves a little bit of breast tissue behind, I would worry that the suction would encourage growth of more breast tissue (if you read the description of breast enhancement using this suction device, the suction apparently stimulates breast tissue to grow). That would be a major no-no for me. Another concern would be wearing the bulky suction contraption for three months or more. I hate anything but the lightest bra. I can't imagine wearing that thing for so long. Also, when I look at the before and after pictures on the website, I'm not sure I love the result. I don't think I'd look as good in clothes as I look now with my breast forms. Finally, I'm so thin I probably don't have enough fat to make more than an AA cup on both sides (despite being thin, I do have a little bit of tummy fatLaughing). 

    But I agree with Celtic-Spirit that eventually more appealing forms of recon may be available, including perhaps this one, once safety is better established and the technique is better refined. 

    Nagem, have you seen your friend's results?

    Michelle, meanwhile I'm very happy living breast-free. I have no pain or tightness or activity limitations. Exercising at home with no breast forms feels fantastic and I have unweighted forms that I use for hiking and other exercise when I'm not at home. When I'm not exercising, I use lightweight silicone forms and find them very comfortable. I was just talking with my DH about how odd it is that when I have my forms on I feel as if I have real breasts--i.e. I feel as "sexy" as I ever did. I think it's the brain sex thing or something. And even when I'm at home with no forms, I really do feel as feminine as ever. My DH seems to feel that way about me, so that helps. So much of sexiness is attitude . . .

    Barbara

  • MicheleS
    MicheleS Member Posts: 937
    edited October 2009

    thanks everyone!

    Barbara~  I'm not going with a skin-sparing Mx.  I didn't have one on the left and I want to be symmetrical.  I love your website.  very helpful (inspiring even!)

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited October 2009

    there is a little section in Love's book about this. Some women are very happy. You could do ballet!

  • nagem
    nagem Member Posts: 353
    edited October 2009

    Hi Barbara,

    I didn't get to check out my friend's fat trans stark naked, but I did see her in a plunging V neck, and she looked great. I know she's had radiation, and she said that wasn't a problem. She didn't say anything about a suction device. My impression was that it was relatively pain free and uncomplicated since there were no incisions and just a day in the hospital. Six months later, she says the result is a little lumpy to the touch—but not to the eye—and very pleasing cosmetically. I'll ask her for more details the next time I see her. 

    On another note, let's try again for a meeting next time you're in town? 

  • Jaimieh
    Jaimieh Member Posts: 2,373
    edited October 2009

    I think you have made a great decision for you Michele :)  Honestly I think you are going to do great and be fine.  ((Bighugs)) 

  • Raye99
    Raye99 Member Posts: 1,350
    edited October 2009

    Michele,

    Yes, I will parrot what the other ladies have said - you've made the decision that is right for you. If you change your mind down the road - then that too is your decision. Hugs to you, Michele. It is such a big decision and now that your decision has been made, the hard part is over. The prophy mast is so much easier than the regular.

    Like you, my BS told me I was her only patient in my age bracket (late 30's) who didn't have reconstruction. Also, like you, I do not like any of the options out there for me, so I will wait. I am happy now being flat, although there are times when I wish small breasts, but not worth what I would have to give up (muscle).

    Also, want to take a moment to thank Barbara for her wonderful website and her support. THANK YOU!

    Here is a pic of Keira Knightly. She is my hero. Very very small busted, she actually got upset when they wanted to Photoshop her breasts for the Duchess movie promo posters. She did let them enhance her slightly for the movie Troy (I think that is the name); the pics below are from that promo. She is lovely.

    Best Wishes Michele,

    xoxo

    Raye 

  • TammyLou
    TammyLou Member Posts: 740
    edited October 2009

    I strongly wanted recon, and I persisted and I got it...and, it was the right choice for me.

    HOWEVER, I spent a couple of years boobless.

    I now have 2 flap reconstructions.  And, I can tell you that there is little difference between "strap on" boobies and my flaps.

    The key difference is that I don't have to strap them on.  Just call me, "Mrs. Doubtfire." (total lack of feeling...nerves are cut during mastectomy).

    In other words, I have some good place holders that keep my shirt up...and I'm "happy" with them, but they are nothing like real boobies.  They look like boobies, but with a bra on, there's little external difference (prosthetics vs recon.)

    As far as naked goes, it's less traumatic...but, the scars are reminders.  Anybody who sees me naked knows something bad happened here.  Skin-sparing tends to produce better outcomes.  Time fades scars, but they are still prominent.  Naked, I feel like I have to "explain" the scars.

    It's hot as hades in South Mississippi and it is convenient having reconstructions...in the event that I'm going "commando"...I've gotten used to my flaps and in clothing, I am less self-conscious about them.

    It's kind of like having false teeth.  I know they're not "real"...the big difference to me...recon versus no recon is that I don't have to strap on my fake boobs...when I wake up in the morning, they're already on.

    I have formed an impression that immediate recon is less traumatic...but it will still be traumatic, because this will be a drastic body change.  Sort of like having a surrogate stuffed animal...it helps, but it isn't what you're used to. 

    tl

    P.S.  I was age 40 at diagnosis...45 grand years old now!  :)

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited October 2009

    Nagem,

    I sent you an email . . .

  • dmorgan2
    dmorgan2 Member Posts: 241
    edited October 2009

    Hi everyone,

    I've been reading about "Michele" and her trying to decide about reconst.  That's where I am right now. It's a hard place to be. I have a single MX scheduled for Nov.18 (my decision).

    I had a lumpectomy about 5 weeks ago and it has taken about this long for me to make a decision to have a MX as opposed to rad. and Tamox.  I am also scheduled for TE at the time of MX, but am really trying to decide if I want that or not. What scares me about TE is the safety of the implants--having something foreign in my body, etc. I am SO tired of having to make hard decisions with this whole experience! (I was diagnosed in August '09.)

    If I don't have the reconst., I could always have it done later, right? Who knows ---I may decide to never have it done like some of you I've read about. So should I have the skin-sparing MX just in case?  Tell me what the pros and cons are about having TE at surgery and waiting and having reconst. later (if at all). I'm just so tired of thinking....

    Sorry I've written a lot...I just need guidance and advice. I realize that it is MY decision (all the dr. keep telling me that), so I KNOW that. But I love hearing from people who have already expereicned what's ahead of me.

    Is it really hard after the surgery with no breast? Would it be better to have "a little something there" when I wake up?

     Thanks for your input. I need it.

    Debbie (PS, I'm 58 and active.) 

  • dmorgan2
    dmorgan2 Member Posts: 241
    edited October 2009

    Lisa,

    Why did you wait 4 months later to reconstruct your left breast?

    Debbie

  • melissa-5-19
    melissa-5-19 Member Posts: 391
    edited November 2009

    I am 56, just had bil-mx but will not have recon as I just don't want the additional surgeries. I am healing daily and I will get "store bought ones" and make adjustments. Michelle, you have the right to your own decision no matter what decision you make. You will come to the best decision and if you need a little time and "the beast BC" allows that time- take it and you will come out OK.

    Also to all of the ladies that opted for RECON - kudos to your strenght I respect what is right for each of you.

  • MicheleS
    MicheleS Member Posts: 937
    edited November 2009

    hey~ Had it done yesterday w/out recon. Feeling good about my decision!

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited November 2009

    Michele, may you heal quickly.

    Leah

  • Grakenmom
    Grakenmom Member Posts: 169
    edited November 2009

    Congrats Michele - happy to hear you're happy.

    All the best,

    E

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited November 2009

    Hi Michele,

    I'm glad that's behind you. And really glad you feel good about your choice.

    I hope you have a speedy recovery. Please keep us posted.

  • melissa-5-19
    melissa-5-19 Member Posts: 391
    edited November 2009

    Right ON! Don't you feel FREE? CONGRATS!

  • MicheleS
    MicheleS Member Posts: 937
    edited November 2009

    Thanks everyone.  :)

    Melissa~ Yes, I do finally feel "free".  It is such a strange feeling.  I thought I'd feel this way when chemo was over but never felt *done*.  Well, now I feel like there is LITERALLY nothing else I could do to prevent this from happening to me again.  Such a relief!!!!!

    I called the mastectomy store today to get the "matches" to the forms I already have.  The fitter wants to see me.  What's up with that?  I can't afford to get entirely new pairs!  SO, I just need the *matches* to what I already have! Ugggh... I don't want to go to another appt!

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