Failed DIEP Flap

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  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited October 2009

    I got my drains out today. I sure do not miss them!!!!

  • Wonderland
    Wonderland Member Posts: 3,288
    edited October 2009

    YEA!!! It's such a freeing feeling to be unattached. Congratulations!!!

  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited October 2009

    I am going in to have a tissue expander placed. My surgery will be Tuesday. It is just a one day surgery. I will get a drain. THey have to do something to save the skin. Has anyone had this surgery after a failed DIEP? How bad is the recovery with the surgeries so close together?

  • swimangel72
    swimangel72 Member Posts: 1,989
    edited October 2009

    Shadow I'm so sorry - in my earlier post I forgot tell you directly! I'm sure your surgery on Tuesday will go well - since you had a skin-sparing mastectomy followed by immediate Diep, - your skin should still be the original breast skin, is that correct? So there's nothing to "stretch".........I'm assuming the skin expander is to keep it from flattening and scarring. The drain won't be fun of course - but I predict that you'll be fine from this surgery. Just keep your hands really clean if you "milk" the drain. Also - ask your PS if he'll be giving you prophylactic antibiotics prior to putting in the TE............I've read how so many women get infections from the TEs. Also ask your PS if he has presurgical scrubbing sponges you can wash with prior to surgery. As you know, I'm sooo anti-infection after what happened to my stomach - check out www.hospitalinfection.org so you can be extra sure you are doing everything you can to help yourself.

    It's such a shame your flap was lost - but like my dad always used to say (God rest his soul!) "keep your eye upon the donut and not upon the hole.".............thinking of his funny expression always put a smile on my face, especially when looking at my still ugly, still mishapen foob! Hang in there Shadow - and may God's angels watch over you!

  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited October 2009

    Thanks!! I think the expander goes behind the pectoral muscle. The skin is there. It makes my breast look like a rotting jack o lantern. I am not sure how it is supposed to work. I guess they are stretching the muscle. I don't know if the skin will just hang there. The whole thing is somewhat overwhelming. I will be happy when it is over.

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited October 2009

    Was the surgery this past Tues (two days ago)?  Did you stay with the same PS?  Hope it all went well this time!

    Sending good, healing thoughts....

    Fran 

  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited November 2009

    Hello! I had the expander placed on Tues. II am in an incredible amount of pain. Much more than the first two surgeries.  They said this might be because the area was so inflamed. Does anyone have any suggestions?

  • LISAMG
    LISAMG Member Posts: 639
    edited November 2009

    Shadow!

    I am so very sorry to hear of this awful pain issue with your new expander. I do not have any experiences with this. How many cc's did the ps instill into the expander?  Maybe, it was too much, too soon since you just had 2 recent long surgeries. Why so much inflammation too? Was this flap failure related?  You need effective pain management and soon. What did he prescribe for you?? Hope you find answers soon and I would call the surgeon and tell him this pain is awful. He needs to address your concerns NOW!!

    Sending you LOTS of healing wishes. YOU deserve to feel better too. Keep us posted. Innocent

    Lisa

  • smirks44
    smirks44 Member Posts: 77
    edited November 2009

    Hi Shadow!  

    Hope your pain is under control now???  Don't be afraid to take your pain meds for these first days....preferably BEFORE the pain is bad!!  

    I too had an expander placed after my failed flap.  We expanded very slowly because of the multiple surgeries I had on that side, and 7 months later we swapped out to an implant.  

    Hang in there and take good care of yourself.....lots of sleep, pain meds, and super nutritious protein-packed meals!

    Sending HUGS your way!

    Betty-Ann 

  • swimangel72
    swimangel72 Member Posts: 1,989
    edited November 2009

    Hope you're feeling better Shadow!

  • nikki21
    nikki21 Member Posts: 24
    edited November 2009

    I'm so sorry Shadow.  I hope the pain is easing and you are healing well. 

  • missrwe
    missrwe Member Posts: 58
    edited November 2009

    Hi, Shadow,

     Have you asked your surgeon what process has been implemented to ensure that women undergoing surgery at that hosopital in the future are listened to and their concerns addressed in a timely manner by competent professionals?

    I think I would insist on an apology from the resident and the nurse on duty that evening. I don't think I would sue as long as the costs of the surgeries to fix the problem were covered by the hospital. I wonder how that resident and nurse explained themselves? They must know they didn't handle your situation appropriately. If they don't know, then the chance of it happening again is increased greatly. How did the surgeon explain himself? 

    I hope you continue to heal and wish you the best in your journey. 

  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited November 2009

    Hi missrwe. They told me they were going to do a full investigation about the incident and find out why the protocals weren't followed. I asked if I could get a copy of it and they said no. No apology, no explaination. I am considering suing since I will need numerous more surgeries (two so far) and my chemo will be delayed. Also, loss time for work, help with childcare and on and on. I knew going in there was a risk of failure. Its not that it failed that makes me so angry, but that it didn't have to happen and that they refused to listen to my complaints. I knew there was a serious issue. I am a paramedic. It was very obvious to me. I don't know if they were ignorant or just didn't care. If I do another flap after my chemo I will have a private nurse.

    I think the side that worked looks great. I think DIEP is a great option. I think someone staying with you overnight could be a solution.

  • LISAMG
    LISAMG Member Posts: 639
    edited November 2009

    Shadow,

    I do suggest you notify the NY Dept of Health to create your own investigation with your grave justifiable concerns. It only takes a toll free phone call log your complaint. You did NOT receive standard of care post operatively and they need to know about it so sanctions can be made. The healthcare providers involved need to be accountable so this never happens again. Get copies of your medical records soon, before more alterations are made. Lots of healing wishes to you!

    http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/consumer/director/hospcare.htm

  • cmharris59
    cmharris59 Member Posts: 496
    edited November 2009

    Hi All,

    First, I agree completely with the previous posts. I had a similar but not as serious an experience with my unilateral mast. I spoke with the patient advocate at the hospital about a grievance against those involved and informed my insurance carrier regarding the treatment that I received. After all, my PS and breast surgeon are in their PPO and the carrier needs to know that the care was inadequate and cost the insurance company more money.  My PS tried unsuccessfully to report that I had somehow damaged my TE, not that it failed due to his insufficient monitoring and ignoring my complaints. 

    I am preparing for my DIEP now.  I am still using the same PS because I did get great results with the second TE and he apologized and has been very attentive since the first incident.  I intend to ask more questions of him, now that I have read these posts. Thanks to you wonderful ladies for sharing your harrowing experiences.  I am in your debt.

    Second, Shadow, I would think that this increase in pain is also due to the stretching of the pectoral muscle. I had agonizing pain and debilitating muscle spasms while the TE was placed. I had a skin sparing mast with a fully filled TE placed immediately. My pec muscle could not handle it and the pain was practically unbearable.  The second TE was placed almost empty and after the fills it has done fine for nearly two years.  I just had anbother 70ccs added because the PS decided that I didn't have enough stretching to account for ptosis of the recon breast.  I am back in horrible pain and suffering muscle spasms. Percocets help! Hope you are recovering nicely this time!

    C

  • jazziD
    jazziD Member Posts: 44
    edited November 2009

    ... I know that his is a silly question, but what does "foobs" mean? 

  • Wonderland
    Wonderland Member Posts: 3,288
    edited November 2009

    Fake boobs. I love the name and think it's hilarious.

    I also have read fipples for nipples.

  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited November 2009

    LISAMG

    Thanks for that link to the Dept of Health. I  am absolutely going to do that. I really think they need to answer for it.

  • sandy2009
    sandy2009 Member Posts: 106
    edited March 2010

    Hi Shadow

    I just read your story and reread it (and read it to my husband) I can't believe that happened to you.  I hope you brought this out to the NY Health Dept, it's deplorable.    I feel bad that you laid in bed all night in pain and ignored.     I've heard a lot of stories about lack of care and concern (or incompetence).

    When I was in the hospital I always "felt bad" buzzing for a nurse or help.  I will NEVER feel that way again, what the heck are they there for, you feel like you're only aloud 2 buzzes and they better be for good reasons(!).

    I hope you are doing a lot better now,

    Sandy

  • NancyNJ
    NancyNJ Member Posts: 128
    edited November 2010

    Can we please get this topic back up - I think it's called bumping it....I had a failed DIEP recently and really need some questions answered and to know I am far from the only one.  Thanks

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited November 2010

    NO, you are not the only one. There are others out there. I hope some will come forth and talk to you. I know some women who feel like THEY are the failures when the flap goes bad--so hard to blame a skilled surgeon or the "bad luck" of anatomy, when others of us are glowing about successes.

    Hang in there. Heal physically and emotionally. And I hope you don't give up on flap surgery.

    Anne

  • SandyinSoCal
    SandyinSoCal Member Posts: 2,034
    edited November 2010

    Nancy, I'm sorry that you've suffered a failed flap.  What is going on with you right now, and what are your questions?  How can we help?

  • She
    She Member Posts: 503
    edited November 2010

    Nancy, so sorry you had a flap failure.  Please ask away, we're all here to help.

  • glostagirl
    glostagirl Member Posts: 388
    edited August 2013

    Hi Nancy,  I had an SGAP failure in March '09.  Had to move on due to chemo, during which I had wound complications. Quite honestly, at the time, I felt very alone, disappointed and sad. 

    I stopped coming to these surgery related threads for a long while; although I was happy for them, it was just too difficult to read of other's successes.  Time has healed my wounds and my heart.  I am just now reconsidering another attempt for mid 2011, but it scares the hell out of me. The fear of another failure is very difficult to overcome.

    I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have.  Publicly or feel free to pm me if you prefer.   

  • nikola
    nikola Member Posts: 466
    edited November 2010

    I do not have a failed flap but it almost happened. My problem was my blood was clotting too fast. Unfortunately, before surgery they are checking your blood but not for all possible complications. I knew I had clotting problems (diagnosed with ACA after two miscarriages). I put that inf down but nobody read. During surgery my flaps were dying 4 times. PS called my husband after 8 hours that he was closing me up and everything was fine. Then, no call for another 4 hours. Just before he would leave the OR he noticed by flaps turned blue. He was trying and trying and finally he put Heparin IV and it started working.

    I was hold after that for 7 days at the burn unit (hot and moist room), on IV Heparin, monitored very closely with Doppler. After discharge I was given Dalteparin inj for 8 weeks (blood thiner).

    I wish good luck to everybody and please ask for clotting time to be checked before surgery (INR, PTT, bleeding time).

  • mish0202
    mish0202 Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2011

    Shadow so sorry. I am in my beginning stage of breast cancer and I too had a diep flap surgery that failed. I was in surgery for 12 hours 3 days after it was determined due to the monitoring that one did not work. I was rushed into another 2-3 hour surgery and an implant was put in on the breast that it did not work on. After my surgery my incision on my stomach opened up so wide i got worried and had to see my plastic surgeon for an emergency visit. he stitched up as much as he could, but after removing some dead tissue that was attached to it was not able to completely clost the wound and had to have a gaping hole in my stomach that looked like i been shot or something. Definetely not a pretty site and it was very challenging for me to even change my dressing on it. I am not about to have another surgery for removal of the affected lymph nodes and port input and my plastic surgeon is looking into to completely closing the wound. Granted if there is enough skin now to allow it to close. either way i wish i would of just opted for a double masectomy with regular reconstruction. This is the hardest thing i've had to go through in my life. The breast that it did work on constantly leaks and had to also be stictched back up twice.

  • TammyLou
    TammyLou Member Posts: 740
    edited January 2011

    Oh, you're not the only one.

    [How I long for the smirky people who jump on my head when I point out the risks of flap surgeries...and then, they explain carefully to me that their favorite surgeon NEVER has failures.]

    Been there.  Done that.  It was an IGAP failure....BOOYAH!

    And, when it went, it REALLY WENT.

    ----------

    Eventually, I healed.

    Eventually, I tried again.

    Eventually, I had (very successful) MS Free TRAMS with my crappy blood vessels because I personally could not endure another failure.

    It sucks.

    tl

    My sympathies.

  • Mona-01Australia
    Mona-01Australia Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2015

    Hi, I also had a prophylactic bilateral mastectomy in May 2015 which had the left side fail for exactly the same reasons. I was devastated especially when my surgeon told me that I was his first ever failure. He has been excellent but there have been many dissappointments. I had 3 surgeries in 4 days totalling 23 hours. They put an expander in the left breast in May 2015 and it is now November 2015 and 5 days ago I had surgery to replace the expander with an implant and to reshape the right breast to make them look somewhat similar. When i woke up from the surgery I was very excited only to be dissappointed when finally getting to see what they did. The left breast is smaller than the right and it doesn't look like they used the right size implant. My right breast doesnt look any different. The surgeons came to see me in hospital the day after the operation and they said it would all settle but I personally can't see that it will. I see my surgeon tomorrow and will express my feelings of dissappointment again and see what he says. I feel there will have to be more surgery. There were a lot of things explained to me before I chose to have this surgery including a 1 in 10 failure rate, but at no time did I ever think that this would become such a drama. I was BRCA positive and so chose to have this as preventative. But I am very sad at the outcome. I think that my advice to people would be to have Mastectomy with implants it is much less invasive and you end up having just as many surgeries, which is why I chose to have DIEP Flap in the first place as it was supposed to be minimal time back in sugery having it all done at once. I still have no nipples so that is more surgery if I choose to go ahead with it and am now looking at more surgery to get the left breast the same size. It has been very overwhelming and I hope this doesnt happen to you. ASK ASK ASK ! lots of questions if you feel something is not right persist until someone answers your questions so that you are reassured. Lots of good wishes to you hope all goes well. Love from Australia.

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