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  • one-L
    one-L Member Posts: 1,110
    edited November 2009

    Valerie, I am glad you feel so liberated bald.  I may get there, but not today.  I am doing better, no more tears for what I have lost, but I am comfortable that it is gone now.  My hat is off to you.

    Joanne, I am so proud of you to take the intuitive and cut your hair yourself.  I know it took lots of courage, cheers to you.  You go girl!

    Scoobydoo, so sorry you are feeling so bad, this to shall pass and it will be on to something else.  I do hope you get to feeling better.  My heart is with you.

    Mary,I see where you were brave enough to take the clippers to your hair.  I am in awe of you ladies that have been liberated to do this on your own.  I do work with a great group of women.  Our secretary is my best friend and has been for about 20 years.  She will take care of me and make sure that no one gets close to me if they even have a hint of anything.  She is like a pit bull and everyone needs their own pit bull.

    Juannelle

  • Hopbird
    Hopbird Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Good luck to those going back to work tomorrow.  I've been going in one day a week since I started...(I only work part time, and this is a slow time of year for us, so they don't need me all of the time anyhow.) 

    Juanelle, cool that you have your own stall.  My office is small and restroom is a one-holer for ladies, one-holer for men.  Guess it wouldn't be fair for me to ask for that, huh?Wink   And glad you've got a pit bull that is nice enough to tell people to keep their distance for you.

    When I go into work, I always start by wiping down my desk, keyboard, phone with antibiotic wipe.  And I keep hand sanitizer that I re-use whenever I have been to the copier or whatever.  I also try not to touch my mouth, eyes, nose.  Then as long as I don't get too face to face with anyone, I feel like I'm reasonably protected. 

  • Hopbird
    Hopbird Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Jean, I avoided the group scene with the hair as well.  I did have a friend come trim it short for me, though.  She had offered, so I jumped on it when I figured it was time.

    Anita, sorry that a bad day snuck in there.  Hope tomorrow is better. 

  • azdiva
    azdiva Member Posts: 201
    edited November 2009

    I have my appointment to get the henna tattoo put on my skull at 1200 tomorrow!  I am actually excited about it.  Maybe people will think I'm just into crazy fashion and not crazy chemo.  

    I also do the blood work thing again tomorrow.  If this is like the first time, my WBCs are probably around 40,000.  Take that, Disease!!

    And to all of you who may be thinking of just letting the bald shine - it definitely looks better with makeup.  No makeup looks like chemo.  Lots of makeup looks like you mean business!  And big earrings!  I would add puffy shirt here as well, but I'm not sure we want to take it completely into the pirate realm.

    Have a good night, Ladies!

    Laura 

  • one-L
    one-L Member Posts: 1,110
    edited November 2009

    I plan on looking like a new woman when I show up  at work tomorrow, new makeup, new dark red nails and a new short  sassy red wig.  They will be wondering who that new woman is.  I just wish I could have lost about 20 lbs, but that didn't happen.  Oh well, you just can't have everything.

    Laura,  what kind of a tattoo are you getting?  Is it going to be bold and make a point or colorful and beautiful?  Hope your count is up so you don't get restricted.

    Hopbird, I guess it probably wouldn't work in you only have one hole, but you could try.

    Juannelle

  • CAtharsis
    CAtharsis Member Posts: 52
    edited November 2009

    @Laura: Great idea the tattoo; it completes the "rock star" look! In fact, I'm waiting for my 1mm hair to fall to get it done. The initials of my two daughters ME.... yes "me". First time in my life that I'm focusing on me.... this is a point!

    Good news (?) to share: I'm getting neo adjuvant chemo such that we are hoping to reduce tumor size and do a lumpectomy. Initially, there was this lump under my armpit (no biopsy on it but just clinical exam). This morning, no more lump.... I tried to find it for a whole 30 minutes... it is gone... and I REALLY worked hard to find it... I almost digged into my skin to feel something :)

     Is that possible that the lump was not cancer but just a reaction of my immune system? Or that my 2x FEC 100 worked to reduce the thing on my axillary lymph node?

     Any thoughts?

  • txstardust
    txstardust Member Posts: 599
    edited November 2009

    Catharsis, the chemo certainly could be doing its job and shrank the node down to where you can't feel it anymore.  That's terrific!

    Scooby, I'm sorry you're feeling so sick. I hope the s/e's begin to fade for you, and SOON.

    Val, I love your picture, you're so brave!  And Laura, I love your attitude!  

    Today was my first day out and about without hair - I wore a hat, and felt self-conscious.  It doesn't help that the weather here can't decide what to do - 46 degrees in the morning, then up to 78 in the afternoon.  So I was cold in the morning and hot in the afternoon.  I took off my hat when I got home, only to find lots of little stubbly's inside.  Nose hair is gone too.  My nose won't stop running!

    Val - your next tx is tomorrow, right?  Good luck!  I'll be right behind you on Wednesday.  I just hope and pray that it is uneventful.

    Peace,

    Shelby 

  • arby
    arby Member Posts: 126
    edited November 2009

    Jean hope you have a really positive day at your job and I'll be praying for your protection from germs and viruses.  Its gotta feel good to get back into the routine....willl boost you confidence.  You can do this chemo thing AND take on your world. 

    I have round # 3 tomorrow and am looking forward to being half way done.  I've had a great, energizing week so I feel blessed and ready to go again.  Who else has chemo on Tue? I've been  full of energy this week and even mowed and raked the yard.  I like my wigs and always work in them but they're a bit breezy.  WHere have others purchased wigs that are thick?...I had really thick hair and the wigs feel like light caps!  I'm really happy for you gals who are navigating the haircut, wig donning stage so well.  You can look good and like what you see in the mirror.  take care. goodnight all ,arby

  • arby
    arby Member Posts: 126
    edited November 2009

    unklewifeonly and one L  since you both talk about thick hair before shaving,  were you able to find wigs with thick hair?  I could use some recommendations.  I like the 2 wigs I got, one was from TLC but neither have 1/2 the hair I did and that makes wearing them feel cold on top and a bit too light headed.  thanks for passing on any suggestions. arby

  • valeriekd
    valeriekd Member Posts: 287
    edited November 2009

    Hi Arby I'm up for 2morrrow also which is why I am up 2night- steroids at 8p don't make a lot of sense but computer games do.....Foot in mouth

    Txstardust  Good luck on Weds- will pray to the chemo gods tomorrow that u go smooth and thanks for the morale booster!(thanks 2 you also Juanelle-did u realize your pun?)

    Thanks for kind thoughts Jean I swear all that anti-b stuff saved me from flu! Good luck 2 u and enjoy the kids - they seem so precious 2 me these days!

    Hopefully goodnight-Valerie 

  • joanneasiata
    joanneasiata Member Posts: 719
    edited November 2009

    Valerie

    All the best for tomorro .I been thinking about my kids Ive got 4 between 14 and 21 only two r at home and Ive got 2 grand daughters and at 45 yrs old, I  appreciated my kids so much  now and  I'm handling them in such a different way i love to be around them more  and the things that gave me the shit before with them are now so travail ,now i just think its such a waist of energy and precious time waisted on unnesasery  frustration .In some ways this B/C thing has been such a blessing to me

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited November 2009

    Dear Arby,



    I didn't think that a wig could have that problem. I bought one locally and one at tlcdirect.org. Compared to my hair, they both have too much hair on top and towards the back. But I guess depending on how much hair you have the wig could fall short.



    Try a wig salon. If they don't have a wig with enough hair maybe they could style your wig so it would look like it does.







  • Hopbird
    Hopbird Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Catharsis...It DEFINITELY sounds like the chemo may be doing its job.  A lot of things can make your lymph node swell, but it sounds like the doctors think it is related to your tumor.  I am in a pre-adjuvant study and just finished the first part.  They will now scan and hope to see changes.  The nurse who was doing my chemo yesterday asked if I had cancer I could feel, which I didn't.  She said she likes talking to people getting pre-adjuvant because so often at this point they can tell by feeling that the cancer is getting smaller.

    You girls go with your tattoos!  I'm not big on going out bald...maybe because I'm actually sporting the four month old baby look and haven't really shaved it off.  There's nothing bold about that!  I have a wig that I wear to work and to places where I just don't feel like getting "looked" at, but I kinda like the scarf/knit cap look.  I think the wear makeup and big earrings advice works with them as well.  I have taken to wearing more makeup also because I just don't want to look "sick."  Thank goodness for a whole new supply from the LGFB class! 

    I also sported very thick (and curly) hair, although I didn't wear it long.  About wig sizing, I went to a shop and bought wigs and they just made provisions for that.  The caps are a little stretchy so adjust some, and had there been anything else needed the shop would have adjusted them for free.  I think the TLC wigs have an adjusting mechanism......at least some of them do, I kinda remember seeing something about it in their catalog.

    Good luck to all who are getting chemo today.....sorry about the late night steroids, but thank goodness for the games to keep you company! 

  • lainieo
    lainieo Member Posts: 53
    edited November 2009

    Good luck to all going to work. I am off to work as well. It is a teacher work day so there will not be kids at school. We have to enter report cards. I do feel a bit unfocused. I hope that gets better.  Does anyone have any suggestions for contact lenses? Mine seem to bother me so I am wearing my glasses, but would love to be able to switch between the two. I wear monthly disposapal bifocal lenses.

    Hope all who is feeling bad get better.!!!!

    My daugher is coming in from Grad school on Friday night to go with me and hubby to do the wig thing. They will buzz me at the wig shop. It will be day 9 from first treatment and I want to be in control of the hair isuues. She emailed dad and told him she had to be here for me. She is the best daughter in the world and has been an amazing support  for me through all of this. My son as well. Thank god for good friend, families and this forum to express.

    A good day to all. Hope I make it through the day.  Tomorrow will be the real test when the kids are back at school. 

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited November 2009

    About steroids...

    What is the typical dosage of Decadron (dexamethasone)? I was so wired from steroids the first three days and not being able to sleep really bothered me. My medication schedule was suppposed to be 12mg each on days 1-3, but the onc agreed that it would be OK to do Day 1—12mg, Day 2—8mg, Day 3—8mg. Are any of you on lower doses? Just wondering whether to ask for a lower dose next time or would it reduce the effectiveness of the Emend? Also would there be more of a crash on Day 4?

    About wigs...

    Does TLC do any hand-tied wigs or are they all machine made? I was thinking it would be a bonus if the wig didn't feel so heavy on the head, but I guess those of you with thick hair want to feel that fullness.

    Good luck to those having Tx today—Valerie and Arby, anyone else?

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited November 2009

    Dear Mary,



    My onco does not do decadron oral at all. Appatently studies have shown it is equally effective when given only 1 dose by IV. Ask your onco about that.



    Tlcdirect sells wigs starting at 40 dollars. I didn't see any hand made ones but they may have some in the higher price range.



    Ask your eye doctor if there are other more permeable lenses that are right for you. Chances are that you will like glasses more than lenses during chemo esp on taxol/taxpotere.

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited November 2009
  • txstardust
    txstardust Member Posts: 599
    edited November 2009

    Hey Onty, Do you have any more info about the decadron studies?  I would love to not take the steroids if there is no added benefit.  The less medication, the better in my opinion.

    Lainieo, it's so great that your daughter is such a source of support for you.  I've come to realize how important family is.

    Joanne, I'm with you on the change in opinion about what's "important" when it comes to the kids. While I wish this change was due to anything other than BC, at least something positive is coming out of it. 

    Peace... 

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited November 2009

    Hi TXStarDust,

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9600818

    http://www.theannals.com/cgi/content/abstract/35/9/1114 

    Here are 2 article I found on the internet. Both my onco and the chemo nurse told me that they don't do oral decadron with Taxol any more but others do. I can ask mine for more information on Monday if you like.

  • Hopbird
    Hopbird Member Posts: 387
    edited November 2009

    Mary, TLC does have some microfilament wigs that are hand tied.  I didn't buy from TLC, but I have one machine made wig that is very light and airy.  I don't think they are all heavy.  I don't think I could handle a heavy one, especially when the hot flashes hit.

    Laineo, sweet of your daughter to come in.  I have just guys around here, and they never helped me with hair grooming issues before and would not want to start now!  They do what they can other ways, but wig choice would have been WAYYYYY outside their comfort level.  They are still in denial about all of that, and want to stay that way.

    And I don't need steroids with my chemo, but I've had them before with asthma.  Some people are more sensitive than others.  I had a terrible time with them, and it seemed to take forever to get them out of my body.  In the meantime, I was exhausted but couldn't sleep and consequently didn't think straight for days.  Hope you figure out something suitable.

    Diagnosis: 8/13/2009, IDC, ER-/PR-, HER2+

  • MarieK
    MarieK Member Posts: 911
    edited November 2009

    I'm on Decadron - I take 8 mg the first day orally (some IV too at infusion), then 16 mg the 2nd day, then 16 mg the 3rd day. 

    I haven't had any sleep issues or bursts of energy.  Likewise there is no crash for me on Day 4 either.

  • Sido
    Sido Member Posts: 234
    edited November 2009

    I have the same reaction to Decadron that MarieK does.  It didn't keep me up, so I never crashed.  I guess I'm lucky for that. 

    My 2nd tx is on Friday and I'm kind of an emotional wreck but I'm not entirely sure why. The hair, definitely, but I'm also afraid that I got off easy with SEs on the first go (though I was distracted by the injuries from the van accident) and that this tx will hit me hard.  I keep crying and hating my body for doing this to me.  All my life I've had large breasts (B cup by age 10, DD for most of my adult life) and right now they disgust me.  In fact, I've never liked having large breasts.  Grown men leered at me when I was an adolescent, and even my best friend referred to me as "the one with the tits" when talking to other people. I know I should feel lucky that I was able to get by with a lumpectomy, but I feel revolted and angry whenever my arm brushes against my breasts.  I wish they had cut them off.  I took the BRCA test and I almost hope its positive so I can have an excuse to have them removed.  My husband loves my breasts, and it hurts him to know how I feel.  I keep crying and feel powerless over what is happening to me.

    Luckily I have an appointment to see my counselor at the cancer center this afternoon so I can maybe get over this before I have to teach tonight.

    Thanks for letting me whine.

    Love to all, Sido

  • joanneasiata
    joanneasiata Member Posts: 719
    edited November 2009

    SIDO

    I'm with you on the emotional side these last few days (12 days post chemo) I'm a wreck, I'm crying all the time have no control . Anything on TV I'm supper sensitive with seen a crocodile being killed by Jamie Oliver the other night and i couldn't stop sobbing my poor husband just didn't know what to do but hold me  .I think what you said about being powerless about what is happening to OUR bodies real hit it on the head for me , i hope it settles down for you and anyone else who's going through a really teary time ,all we can do is take control of the things that we can, and trust our medical team, and lean on our friends and family all my love

    Joanne

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited November 2009

    Dear Sido, Marie,

    See the clinical study that I posted about using Decadron for Taxol. 

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited November 2009
  • MarieK
    MarieK Member Posts: 911
    edited November 2009

    Thank you Onty for the information.  I am not having a hard time on Decadron with FEC so I will continue to use it as the onc prescribed.

    Sido I'm sorry that you are having a hard time with your breasts.  I think the resentment of them is only natural - they are afterall trying to kill you!

    I only had a left mastectomy and do not trust my right breast at all.  It will be removed when I have my reconstruction/deconstruction next year. 

    I hope that the counsellor will be able to help you...

  • one-L
    one-L Member Posts: 1,110
    edited November 2009

    Sido, I am so sorry that you are having such a hard time.  I can not imagine what you have been through, I have always been very small breasted and it took me gaining 50 lbs as I got older to get  to a C cup.  But I do know that lots of women with large breast feel the same as you.

    On the subject of children, I do believe that you are different as you get older.  I know I would  make a much better parent now.  I know what is important and would let my house go more and enjoy my children when they were young.  When you are young you are just trying to get by and when you are older you already have stuff, so you have more time.  At least that is the way I think anyway.

    I went back to work today and it was really nice.  I had gifts all over my office, books, socks, pens, fruit drinks and hats, hats and more hats.  They are so cute and I will really enjoy wearing them.  I really work with a great group of people.

    I am also on Decadron, take 16 mg a day for 3 days and did not seem to have any problems with it.

    I was very emotional about day 6, cried  about everything.  Seem to be doing OK now.

    Good luck to everyone that is having treatment on Wednesday.

    Juannelle

  • MarieK
    MarieK Member Posts: 911
    edited November 2009

    Having a bit of lower back & hip pain tonight - probably from the Neupogen injection.

    Took the Clariton but will have to supplement with some Extra Strength Tylenol and early to bed.

    Michelle - I had to go to the hospital last night because my PICC line bled out.  The iv nurse told me I must have worked my arm too hard or carried something too heavy yesterday.  Has that happened you before?

    I was trying to remember what I did yesterday that might have caused this to happen....I'm convinced that it was from taking my daughter driving yesterday (she is just learning).  I swear my blood pressure went through the roof!  Especially when she rolled through a stop sign and or maybe it was when she "forgot" she was in reverse and gunned it BACKWARDS!!!

    Yes tonight it will be early to bed....

    I hope everyone has a good night!

    Marie

  • valeriekd
    valeriekd Member Posts: 287
    edited November 2009

    Hi everybody! I hope every one who is reacting to this HUGE event in our lives does not feel badly about shedding tears, being angry -it is so much better than shoving it down inside and having it come in other ways -it is again bravery to be open and vulnerable- that also might make us mad (it does me).

    Hi Mary I am done and doner with tx #2. It feels good to earn a smiley face -my favorite 4th grade teacher used to give them sparingly and only if she felt them well deserved. I think these are- thank you for doing that - It is kind. No SEs so far but its usually day 2 or 3 til it hurts bones.

    Hey Jean Thanks for the reply -sounds like u r doing really well! So glad 2 hear it.

    1-L you do have nice coo-workers- the hats must have been sweet.

    Sleep well - Valerie 

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited November 2009

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