Can we talk about Medicare options?

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abbadoodles
abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618

Not that I'm eligible yet, but I am gearing up for the time when I have to choose my healthcare insurance once I reach Medicare age.  A few yet to go. Smile

From what I understand, it is all confusing!  We all receive Medicare Parts A and B, once eligible, and at present we all have to pay about $96.00 per month for B.  A is "free."  Part D is for prescription coverage and there is a charge for that based upon when you sign up, etc.

The biggest questions are about choosing what is known as a Medigap plan to supplement Medicare, or whether it is better to choose a Medicare HMO or PPO.  Options and costs for those all vary from state to state and county to county within states.  Arrrrrrgh!

Question #1 is what are the ramifications of choosing one plan over another, ie. I"ve heard that if you choose a Medicare HMO you cannot go back to Medicare.  Please, let's talk about all these decisions.

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  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited October 2009

    I am not sure that one cannot return to regular 'Care after choosing one of the "Advantage" types.  I can tell you that there is a self help part of the Medicare website to help you choose a drug plan that is good for you.

    I chose regular Medicare because my pcp does not accept the Advantage program, and I know that several offices don't take it either, even tho I hear they pay faster.  My back surgeon does not accept it either.  So--ck with your docs and see if they accept it and then decide.

    I choose my best option re: drug plan by the plan that covered the most of my regular meds.  I am now in the "donut hole" of paying for it myself, but I pay the negooiated price that AARP has worked out, still not the full price.

    I chose BC/BS for medigap and very glad I did.  I have it all covered and hospital and doc are all covered.  I just found out today that the back brace I've been wear cost $500, 'Care paid 357 and BC will pay about 75.  Me --- Nada.  Wow that's expensive for a lot of velcro!

    My suggestion is to schedule a meeting with your insurance rep.  and discuss the things that concern you--but go to the Medicare site first and begin reading about it so you can ask good questions.  The more you know, the better off you are.

    good luck

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2009

    Um,insurance rep?  What is that?  I've not  heard of such an animal here.  Only the guys that sell life insurance and I never considered them for advice on medical ins.  Will have to investigate that.

    The issue you mention, Dotti, about a couple of your docs not accepting the advantage plans, is one I had worried about.  I guess I'll just have to ask my docs which type of plan they prefer, although here in MA there may not be much diff as this state mandates so many coverages and forbids denials of service.  There is sometimes an advantage to living in a nanny state like Mass.

    I did look at the Medicare site and that led me to post here because it left so many questions unanswered.  Most of the companies that offer medicare plans here I've never heard of and wouldn't even consider them.  Mail order insurance.  The others are standard: BCBS, Fallon, Tufts.  I imagine I would go with one of them not some unknown.

    As I'm not on any drugs nor is DH, that doesn't seem so important to me but I remember when I was on chemo I took some pretty pricey stuff for nausea and then there was the Neulasta.  Those meds cost a FORTUNE!  I know we must be financially protected in some way in case either of us requires such stuff again, God forbid.

    Any and all other comments appreciated!

  • LavenderNLace
    LavenderNLace Member Posts: 90
    edited October 2009

    Thank you for starting this dialogue.  I'm not yet eligible for Medicare but closing in fast too.  I will watch this conversation closely.  But my luck, just about the time I get it figured out they will pass a health care bill and I will have to start all over again.  :)

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited October 2009

    I was on my own ins. for 2 years before 'Care.  My dh retired and I could no longer get the group rate.  I shelled out over 2 grand a month to get drug coverage in case I had a recurrance. My dh had planned for some of that with a savings account we started years ago, knowing I'd be on my own when he retired.  I have had 'Care for a little over a year and feel lucky to have it, esp. with this back problem and surgery

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited October 2009

    Tina - thank you so much for this post. My husband will be 65 in March and all decisions will be mine as he has early alz. I went to the social security site and it might as well have been written in Greek! AND - I used to have a Life and Health license. I'm just going to have to admit my stupidity and call a guy I used to work with and let him walk me through it. If I get any more understanding of it, I'll post here. But, I suspect I'll just do what he tells me - my chemo brain might not be up to it!

  • Mazy1959
    Mazy1959 Member Posts: 1,431
    edited October 2009

    Hi abba,

    I am on disability and have been on medicare since july. I have medicare part A ($96), prescription coverage thru United Health ($27) and a medicare supplement plan thru Mutual of Omaha ( $143). So far everything seems to be going as planned for benefits etc.

    I went online to the medicare sight first. There was a link to providers on their sight. I went to those links. The rep from Mutual of Omaha spoke english, was educated in healthcare and took time to answer my questions and to offer choices of coverage based on my treatments and drugs etc. He calculated what my expected yearly costs would be for each plan. He also helped me find United Health for my prescription coverage. Many others contacted me but they either spoke a 100 miles per hour, didnt speak english well or had no interest beyond selling me a policy. I found that some of the local agents in my area could not offer me the same coverage without it costing more. I did have all my plans ready to go several months before I was eligible ..when the time came I ..I received my ins cards and called to finalize my prescription coverage. I hope this helps....Hugs, Mazy

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2009

    Research update:  I called BCBS yesterday to ask them to send me info about their advantage plans so I could study them.  The guy on the phone told me since I wasn't eligible right now there was no use looking at any info.  He was quite dismissive.  I suspect it was because he couldn't go ahead and sign me up.  My cynical mind. 

    Now,  how the heck can one even start looking at these plans to get a handle on what various coverages are if no one even wants to talk to you unless they can sell you something on the spot?  Are we supposed to be rushed into a decision when the time comes?  This is very disturbing.

    Dotti, I will probably be in the same boat you were in as my dh will retire before I am eligible for Medicare.  He is 1 1/2 years older than I.  I have no idea WHAT I will do in the meatime.

  • LavenderNLace
    LavenderNLace Member Posts: 90
    edited October 2009

    So, let me get this straight.  Mazy is paying over $200 a month just for medicare coverage + a supplemental???!!!  Wow, just wow!

    How do people on a fixed social security income afford this?  Not all of us have worked high paying jobs and social security will most likely be the bulk of our retirement income.

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2009

    Lavender, it is a shock, isn't it, when you find out what you must pay for health insurance once you no longer have an income.  I used to be under the impression, so mistaken, that once you were on SS and you had Medicare, you didn't have to pay for health ins. any longer. LOL  Not only did Clinton initiate income tax on our SS income but we have Medicare deducted directly from our SS checks.  Well, I guess someone has to pay for it.

    Part A is no charge from the govt., but it covers only 80% of hospital or other facility charges.  We pick up the remaining 20%.

    Part B is now about $96/month for most people but it covers only 80% of doctors' services, etc.  We pick up the rest.

    Part D is optional and covers drug costs.  Plans vary.

    Medicare does not cover things like routine checkups.

    So, what'll it be?  Gamble that nothing goes wrong in the future (hard for us bc girls) or pay for either a "medigap" plan or an "advantage" plan, essentially an HMO or pay for service insurance.  Rates and coverages vary widely. 

    This is my big thing right now.  Trying to make sense out of these last because no way is it smart for me not to be covered better than 80%.  Of course, there is a break-even point in every problem where you figure the max you might be billed for a hospitalization and take 20% of that and put money aside for it and to hell with insurance.  I do know someone who never bought anything but auto liability insurance and just kept a fund for auto replacement or repair in case of accident.

  • Mazy1959
    Mazy1959 Member Posts: 1,431
    edited October 2009

    abba,

     I would call another company..I had several who spoke with me and took my info..knowing I was planning ahead..Hugs

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2009

    Here's the sort of thing  I'm worried about.  Doctors declining to treat patients on medicare.

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/27/news/economy/healthcare_medicare_doctors/index.htm

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited October 2009

    I am also interested in  this discussion.   My husband died 6 1/2 years ago and I had to go on a self pay plan, as I had quit work before he died.   While living in Pennsylvania, it made sense for me to use BC/BS.   3 yrs ago I sold the house and moved to Virginia, to an area (for unknown reasons) that BC/BS did not cover.  I got another plan, which turned out to be total garbage - they only paid out a maximum of what I had paid into it each year, including the year (2008) that I was diagnosed with BC.  They did not even pay for my mammogram.   Panic set in, as I had one round of dose dense chemo and it was over $ 19 K with not one cent being paid by the insurance company.   I checked what I owed for other tests, scans, biopsy and it was over $ 39 K...!!!!   More panic and could I even get something else with the "pre existing" BC ?

    As luck would have it, I was put in contact with an insurance broker who found me a plan, not cheap, but it covered most of my following treatments - $ 100 co pay for chemo since it was in the hospital setting.    The hospital let me set up a payment plan, and recently wrote off $ 17 K since I had been paying regularly.   Then I just got another write off for $ 9 K.   I had joked with my doctors saying they have to keep me alive for a long time so I can pay off these bills.   

    I know this is long, but bear with me.  Talking with various friends who are on medicare with supplement insurance, they inform me that the place I go for tx does not participate in some of them... Yikes, now what do I do?  start looking for new doctors?   In jan 2011 I will turn 65, so one year to go to figure out what to do.   All this reform business scares me half to death - pre existing will not be covered, many places do not take medicare, I still owe $$ for my 2008 care, and I have not won the lottery yet.    Any know of a sugar daddy for medical coverage?  I get a pension that is too much to qualify for any reduction or help plans.   Guess that makes me one of the "lucky" ones...     

  • Mazy1959
    Mazy1959 Member Posts: 1,431
    edited October 2009

    Lefty,

    First, you should ask your doctor's, clinic's etc which ins providers they accept. Some people ask which company the clinic thinks pays the best, etc.

    And then you should start contacting companies for the supplement ins. I have Mutual of Omaha and they cover all my docs etc. Hope this helps.

    Hugs, Mazy

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited October 2009

    Thanks Mazy.  I have an appt on Nov 5 with the breast surgeon after my 6 month mammogram and can stop in the financial office and check it out.  

  • O3132W
    O3132W Member Posts: 211
    edited October 2009

    Yes Medicare is complicated at best.  Not to confuse the issue but if you are currently or will soon become a participant in the Medicare program, it would be wise for you to google the words: MEDICARE BUY IN PROGRAM.  This is a federal program using federal funds and handled by each state that offers certain medicare participants for the State to pay for the  monthly medicare premium for part B.  You can also contact Medicare and ask about this plan.  Anyone on medicare weather on social securtiy or disability (SSI)  at any age is eligible under certain income/assets guidelines.  These guidelines are quite liberal  Check it out for yourself.  I have and it works for me.     Cathey

  • O3132W
    O3132W Member Posts: 211
    edited October 2009

    Yes Medicare is complicated at best.  Not to confuse the issue but if you are currently or will soon become a participant in the Medicare program, it would be wise for you to google the words: MEDICARE BUY IN PROGRAM.  This is a federal program using federal funds and handled by each state that offers certain medicare participants for the State to pay for the  monthly medicare premium for part B.  You can also contact Medicare and ask about this plan.  Anyone on medicare weather on social securtiy or disability (SSI)  at any age is eligible under certain income/assets guidelines.  These guidelines are quite liberal  Check it out for yourself.  I have and it works for me.     Cathey

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2009

    Cathey, thanks for passing that info along. 

    In the meantime, I'm trying to sift through all the programs that just ONE company offers here - must be 15!  Looking over them, one of the biggest differences is how long they pay for skilled nursing facility care.  You know how expensive THAT is!  To the tune of about $100K per year.  My heart just sinks whenever I think of it.

    BTW, it is an option in some states to file for the homestead act on your primary dwelling so that you have protection of your home in the event of having to pay nursing home costs.  In many of the states, you don't have to pay nursing homes costs beyond a certain amount but the govt. picks up.  Then, the govt. gets the property when you both die.  That's a nutshell and details vary but it's worth checking out in your area.

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited October 2009

    Tina, I think you mean a reverse mortgage, not the homestead act.   When I had my house, the homestead act was lower property taxes if you had lived there as your primary residence for more than 10 years.  

    Cathy,   I looked at what you suggested and I have too many assets - mainly an IRA account that I would have to bleed to nothing before I qualified.    

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2009

    In Massachusetts, the homestead act does protect against the taking of primary residence, up to $500,000.00,  by the state for reimbursement of Medicaid benefits, which is essentially what one would be receiving once cash was depleted and an owner was still in a nursing home.  This protects the remaining spouse.

    http://www.sec.state.ma.us/rod/rodhom/homidx.htm

    This is why I say it's important to check in your particular state.  They're all different, to add to the confusion.

    As far as I know, there is no reduction in property taxes here as benefit of our Homestead Act.

    A reverse mortgage is another option for funds, of course.  I'm glad you pointed that out.  Just the other day I was reading on one of the news websites that we must be very careful of these instruments as there are many unscrupulous companies out there that are taking properties from seniors in need of cash.  Best to talk to a reputable bank in your area for this.

  • billiegirl
    billiegirl Member Posts: 85
    edited October 2009

    I had major complications after surgery(Seroma, lymphedema, sever radiation burns...then major back issues unrelated to Breast Ca that required several surgeries also) and was unable to return to work as an LPN. I had worked for the same HMO for15 years so was surprised that my COBRA was still $600.00 a month plus co-pays! Used up every dime I had, and then some, just to keep my head above water. Qualified for SSDI and have been thrilled with the Medicare plan I have been using for the last 3 years! Covers way more than my original insurance plan did and even though they say it is an HMO the list of DRs covers most professionals in our local. Mine even covers some dental, glasses and chiropractic! My only current income is Social Security and my total monthly cost is under $200.00 The plan I chose is called TRUE BLUE and I am very happy with it. I live in Idaho and was able to go on-line and compare all the different options offered in my area. I have NO complaints!

  • concernedsis
    concernedsis Member Posts: 256
    edited October 2009

    Ladies - sis not of medicare age yet, but I deal with alot of insurances at my job & have dealt with my folks' plans as well. A few thoughts....

    <b>Managed anything means someone besides your doctor decides what you can & can not have. </b> They may cover more of somethings but the tradeoff is their rules. Straight Medicare has no prior authorization for any medical procedure or admission or equipment your doc says is medically necessary - they would pay for a guy's C- section if coded properly LOL. They must pay by law within like 45 days or something like that.

    Medicare is cutting physician reimbursement again next year by 20% so more docs are refusing new patients. 

     The drug plans are soooooooo tricky - are mainly generic medicine covering plans - if you are on meds you can search the plans online to see which ones cover what you need. You can usually change plans only during open enrollment usually in the fall. My folks take only 1 prescription each - do not have a drug plan as it was over $400 yr if I recall a few years back for my mom alone and she takes a brand drug not covered so she just pays out of pocket. That may not work witha BC diagnosis if you need more drugs or might.

    Be careful about lapsing coverage - some plans will not cover or limit when they will cover if you allow coverage to lapse - these are commercial plans - not sure about M/C.

    Medigap - my folks use United HealthCare from AARP - few hundred a month for the 2 of them - covers absolutely everything  - your medicare pays 1st then they pick up the tab. Has paid for a broken hip, pacemaker, urology outpatient surgery, etc without us paying for much - I think they didnt cover the ambulette home from the hospital with my mom's hip like $50 b/c medicare didnt cover it.

    Ask any doc you go to if they "accept" Medicare as payment in full - otherwise you can be charged whatever they dont pay and they dont pay well.

    Best of luck to you all!

  • pj12
    pj12 Member Posts: 25,402
    edited October 2009

    I could be wrong but here is how I think of it:

    Medicare A and B are pretty self-explanatory.  If you have Medicare part B you will need a supplemental policy to pick up the 20% not covered.  So Medicare part B will cost you about $100 a month, probably deducted from your SS check.  You will have to arrange for a supplemental policy and that will cost an additional $100-150 a month.  If you have those 2 coverages you should be pretty well protected... you still have an annual deductible, drug costs and unknown nursing home expenses should it come to that.  Your medicare and supplemental go with you to any doctor who participates and that is most physicians.  However, not everyone or every place (ie, Mayo Clinic)  "participates" so it is always wise to ask in advance. If you do see an non-participating dr or hospital they can charge more than medicare approves but not a lot more... the amount is capped or limited... it is about 10-15% more, I think.  This approach does give you control of where you go and who you see.

    On the other hand, you can choose an HMO type plan.  It typically costs much less but I can't say how much.  You sign up with a plan that is made up of your primary doctor and specialists.  You only go to doctors within your plan and usually go through your primary care doctor in order to be able to see a specialist if necessary.  You cannot look up a doctor in the phone book or go see one your neighbor recommends unless he happens to be a member of your HMO.  This "clinic" type approach works very well for some people and others do not like feeling restricted in their choices.  It does manage costs very well and may be the system of the future.

    If you live someplace like Florida there is a very competitive medical market and almost all doctors are participating with medicare so there are broad choices.  In big cities like NY where there are plenty of young working people to fill dr's offices and pay higher prices, it could be more of a challenge to find participating drs and hospitals.  If that is true, an HMO might be better.  Also it's true that HMOs tend to include some services that medicare and a supplement may not cover, like glasses.  They do that to make their "package" of care more attractive.

    For me the bottom line is:  am I willing to give up some freedom of choice and self control over my medical care... I said SOME... to save on the cost of my insurance?  

    Pam 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2009

    Billiegirl, and others dealing with lymphedma, I just wanted to jump in here and add that Medicare does NOT cover any lymphedema garments or bandages -- we must pay cash. As these are extremely expensive "accessories" and must be replaced every six months or so, it can be a real hardship. Advocates at the National Lymphedema Network are working hard to improve Medicare coverage of this condition, but it's a long hard battle and we have a way to go.

    PLEASE, when you buy your garments, bill Medicare and then APPEAL the decision. It can take up to two years to be reimbursed, but every time one of us wins an appeal it gives the advocates the ammunition they need to change the laws on this. So, please, please plan to appeal. Here is the email address of Bob Weiss, an advocate with the National Lymphedma Network. He can walk you step by step through your appeal process and is more than willing to help you with this just so he can get more appeals approved and overturn this non-payment idiocy. (His wife is a bc veteran with lymphedema, so it's also a personal battle for him.)

    Bob Weiss
    LymphActivist@aol.com

    Here's an information page on Medicare appeals for lymphedema care:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/AppealingForCare.htm#medicare%20appeals

    Together we can make a difference! Kiss
    Binney

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited October 2009

    Just to clarify there are TWO types of "nursing homes"  Longterm care in a regular nursing home is NOT covered by Medicare, but by medicaid--if you qualify.  You can be "kinda" sick to qualify, and meet financial requirements of no money----and you have to have given away all your money at least 3 years prior to admission.  No cheating--(years ago, as a discharge planner, I knew all the nooks and crannies of this stuff, and we used to get folks to prepay for their funerals to lovver their ready cash---maybe some still do it.)

    Skilled Nursing care is covered by Medicare--AFTER 3 days in the hospital (acute care) and if you qualify for it, and it has a limit of days.  To qualify you must need more than personal care, etc.  You will need dressing changes, IV's, and other really SKILLED nursing care, but not "acute care " level of care. 

    Ok, that should have confused a few of us even more.

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2009

    Yes, thank you, Dotti, more confused but forwarned is forearmed.  A very good thing to know.

    Edited to add the nursing home info is extremely, extremely important.  Now I have to research the various levels of nursing home care before I proceed in looking at policies.

  • inforeffy
    inforeffy Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2009

    I would recommend contacting Medicare (at 1-800-MEDICARE) to ask them for the location of your closest State Health Insurance Counseling (SHIP) site. The folks at that site are trained and certified through contract with the  Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) to offer assistance with health insurance matters to any Medicare beneficiary and to those who will soon be Medicare eligible. These sites offer advice and inforamtion that is unbiased, as they have no connection with any insurance company or agent. Frequently, your own agent will also suggest that you speak with one of these counselors as the products they offer may not be the best alternative for you. I would highly recommend that you give them a call, they do assist thousands and thousands of beneificiaries each and every year. They also love what they do, or they wouldn't be doing it, as much of it is volunteer efforts. Best to you.   

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