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  • MarieK
    MarieK Member Posts: 911
    edited October 2009

    MaryNY - please update my TX happy face - I just did #2 yesterday.  Ok that didn't sound right but you know what I mean!

    Sorry to hear about your pain from your port.  Could it just be the anesthetic wearing off?  Hopefully the pain will subside as your body gets used to it and heals.  Are you taking any pain meds for it?  If not, check with your dr I'm sure you can take some Tylenol to get you through this.

    Shelby - so good to hear from you. I was wondering what happened to you.  If they don't know what you had how did they treat you?  Antibiotics?  Yes I strongly agree - hygiene is very important during this time in our lives!!

    I'm a crafter so I thought this was a cool idea.  It's decorated bottles of antibacterial hand wash!

    1L - did you try the Claritan for you Neulasta pain?  I did the Neupogen shots x 7 and I took 1 Claritan which really helped and then Tylenol Extra Strength the rest of time.

    I know I sound like a commercial for Tylenol!  I never used to use it - in fact I rarely took any drugs OTC or RX - but now I swear by it!

    Laura the chemo clinic gave me a drug check list/timetable which I colour coded to match my pill bottles (my eyesight sucks and chemo seems to make it worse).  I also add notes regarding side effects and what other drugs I take.  I find this so helpful - otherwise I'd forget or double dose I'm sure!

  • Hopbird
    Hopbird Member Posts: 387
    edited October 2009

    Hi guys...looks like we're all doing OK..considering!

    Mary, my port was much more sore the day AFTER it was put in.  I was surprised it didn't hurt that evening, but I do think it was because the medication they gave me hadn't worn off.  The pain was a little less each day.  I took Tylenol, especially at bedtime.   I don't think I slept on my side for a week, and then it still would OUCH once in awhile.  And yes, turning my head, raising my arm, turning on my side, all could bother it during that time. 

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited October 2009

    Marie: I added another smiley for you. I hope your son doesn't nave the swine flu. I love the pic of the gussied up anti-bac bottles. 

    Has anyone else earned a smiley update? Please let me know if I've missed any of you.

    Hopbird: it's reassuring to hear that your port exerience was similar to mine. I had no discomfort at all yesterday right up to bedtime. I though I was only given an antibiotic and the anesthetic (propofol) but maybe there was something used locally to numb the area too. Today it even hurts when I walk. It feels as though there's something tugging there. And the whole area is sore even with a light touch. I hope it's not very painful to have the needle put in tomorrow. I though I could use the lidocaine cream prior to infusion but the yesterday's nurse said the area should be entirely healed before putting anything like that on it. Hopbird, how long did it take yours to heal completely?

  • micheleboots
    micheleboots Member Posts: 1,993
    edited October 2009

    Ladies,

    I see the word Tylenol a lot today. I hope that you don't forget to take your temp. before taking tylenol....The nurses and dr. can't stress that enough....Never take your tylenol unless your temp is normal...Tongue out

    Michele

  • MeredithK02
    MeredithK02 Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2009

    Hi Mary, just a quick note about the port.  I had mine placed last Thursday and then the first chemo session the next day.  The nurse sprayed something on it and it barely hurt at all.  I got a prescription for lidocaine to take from now on.

     Marie, those bottles are so cute!

    How long did you ladies end up taking off work after an AC session?  I had mine Friday and thought I'd be back by today, but I'm feeling just awful.  I'm a little more coherent than this weekend, but the bone pain just started and I'm miserable!  Luckily DH just came home to make me french toast...I think that'll help a little!

  • txstardust
    txstardust Member Posts: 599
    edited October 2009

    Meredith - Mmm... French Toast! Hope you're feeling better soon.

    Mary - I was sore for a few days after my port insertion, but I don't think it would hurt at all to put in a call to your doc just to make sure there's nothing wrong.  I've had the port for 2 1/2 weeks, and I barely even notice it now.

    Marie, your wigs are just adorable!  My hair is starting to come out in chunks - I'm planning on cutting it very short this afternoon.  I'm tired of having hair all over me!  It'll probably be gone in a few days anyway.

    I'm glad to hear that everyone is doing relatively well, considering.  Good luck to anyone who's getting treatment today (it's hard for me to keep up). 

    I made it out of my prison cell- oops, I mean the hospital- this morning. I've never been so happy to simply walk outside in my whole life! And it's a beautiful day, nice and cool, sunny, blue skies. I think even if it was pouring rain and cold like yesterday, it still would have been a beautiful day.

    This is what happened...last Wednesday, I had been feeling a bit under the weather all day, but no real fever.  About 8:00, I started to feel worse, took my temp, and it was around 100.  Waited about half an hour, took it again, and it was 100.5.  Called the doctor, who said we could go to the ER or wait to see if it would go higher/lower.  We waited about 15 minutes, took it again, and it was 101.1.  Time for the ER!  Of course they were crowded, had no beds, and I was stuck in the waiting room for almost 2 hours with sick people.  I wore a mask, but who knows what I might have caught in there.  The ER is not a good place for a chemo patient.  I finally got a room in the ER, where I stayed until the next morning (that's right, no beds on the oncology ward).  The next day was really awful.  My fever was over 102, I could barely keep my eyes open, I felt so sick. My throat was terribly sore.  They took lots of blood for cultures, swabbed my throat and nose, took urine.  After that night (when the nurses almost gave me an ice bath for my fever), I started to improve.  They had me on IV fluids and an antibiotic, pain meds, cough medicine, magnesium and potassium.  

    When I left today, the doc says that none of the cultures came back positive, no strep, no flu, the only thing they found was the UTI and a bad case of tonsillitis that he said was probably viral.  My ANC yesterday was 600, but today it was up to 4600, thank goodness.  Doc says I'm free to do pretty much whatever I want now.  

    I went to the grocery store (it's so sad how the family doesn't know what to do when I'm gone for 5 1/2 days!), cleaned out the refrigerator, and did the dishes.  I'm actually looking forward to cooking dinner!  And I had SUSHI for lunch, a vast improvement over hospital food.

  • Hopbird
    Hopbird Member Posts: 387
    edited October 2009

    Meredith, if it helps a little, my bone pain with Neulasta was worst the first time.  I still get sore, but nothing like the first time......don't know if that's common, but my second two have been NOTHING like my first.  I don't do A/C so have no answer about that. 

    Mary, I actually put a thread out here somewhere because I was worried about my port pain.  I had it put in Friday and started on Monday.  Them accessing it didn't hurt that much...it was a little tender but they were conscious of that.  To me, port access is no more painful than a shot...sometimes I feel a pinch, sometimes I barely feel it.  Them touching it to find the correct spot was a little tender but they were sensitive to that fact and it wasn't a bit deal.  I was like you, didn't think I really had anything for the pain on the day they put it in, but whatever they gave to numb it must not have worn off until the next day.  I even remember my college son calling me the evening it was in and asking how it felt and I told him I felt surprisingly good.  I did until the next morning!   I think within 4 - 5 days you will feel much better.  There will still be times that it hurts, and those times will get less frequent over time.  Mine still acts up from time to time, especially if the weather is changing!Smile  It is never bad enough I think I have to take anything for it. 

  • Hopbird
    Hopbird Member Posts: 387
    edited October 2009

    Txstardust, the thought of going to the ER scares me right now!Surprised  Could the UTI have caused the fever?  I keep trying to make myself work cranberry juice and yogurt into my sytem most days hoping they will help do their things.  My doctor never told me to, but I know cranberry juice helps prevent UTIs and yogurt helps make good bugs...figure they can't hurt!  I also prefer using the Cottonelle Wipes rather than the squirt bottles in my nether regions just to help make sure the bottom area is really clean. 

    Diagnosis: 8/13/2009, IDC, ER-/PR-, HER2+

  • one-L
    one-L Member Posts: 1,110
    edited October 2009

    Laura, I had trouble  sleeping for the first two nights.  By the third night I was so tired, no problem.  I still managed to get up about every two hours to go, but was able to go to sleep each time.  I have been sleeping lots the last two days.  Every time I sit down, I doze  off.  I guess that is OK, as long as I am not driving.

    Juannelle

  • one-L
    one-L Member Posts: 1,110
    edited October 2009

    Marie, the bottles are to cute.

    I did take a Claritin about an hour before my Neulasta.  I have had very little pain.  My neck is sore and stiff, but not so painful that I can't stand it.

    Every day is a new day.

    Juannelle

  • micheleboots
    micheleboots Member Posts: 1,993
    edited October 2009

    Marie

    Cute bottles..Wish I was crafty.

    Michele

  • RaiderDee
    RaiderDee Member Posts: 150
    edited October 2009

    Meredith,  I'm doing the same chemo combo as you just one day before.  I am probably not the person to ask about when to go back to work.  I am beginning to believe that the chemo nurse shot red Kool-aid through my veins instead of the AC.  I was extremely worried about the SE before chemo.  As it turned out (for the first treatment, anyway) I didn't have any issues at all.  I wanted to go to work on Friday the day after my treatment but stayed home because one of the guys at my work had had the flu the week before and was coming back to work that day.  I was bored off my butt so I went outside and pulled weeds out of my yard.  I went out Saturday night for a few hours, watched football all day Sunday and played softball Sunday night.  I went to work on Monday and Tuesday.  I wish I knew why I've been so lucky.  If I could bottle the secret I would.  I would gladly sell it to all of my chemo sisters at a reasonable price so you could all feel better and I could get out from under the mounting cancer debt I have been accruing.  I'm quite sure the next round of chemo will knock me on my butt and teach me who's boss so I have to enjoy feeling well while I can.  Everyone take care and hang tough.

    Dee

  • MeredithK02
    MeredithK02 Member Posts: 86
    edited October 2009

    Hi Dee, I would be wlling to pay a highly UNreasonable price if you could bottle that!  Forget wasting shopping therapy on shoes and boots, I would gladly pay out the wazoo for something that would help! 

  • valeriekd
    valeriekd Member Posts: 287
    edited October 2009

    Hi Mary No problems here w/ the port. Never had any pain just mild discomfort. If I were u i'd call and also ask for pain meds - we don't need anymore pain. oh and speaking of medications

    Clarice My doc told me to take the ativan if I couldn't sleep or got agitated.

    oh and Anita My daughter got the swine flu on monday and so my chemo for this Thurs was postponed til next Tues and I was put on Tamiflu as a prophylactic so if you know u r exposed -call your doctor. 

    Here's to good health! (and better living through chemistry) Valerie

  • valeriekd
    valeriekd Member Posts: 287
    edited October 2009
    Hi Meredith Just an addenda to let u know I felt EXACTLY the same way. Bone pain, sick, agitated, awful. Then more pain and sleepy for more days. It took forever to feel good again. 7 days pretty good and 10 perfectly regular and normal. Just so u know - it will work its way out of your system (the rest left behind just seems to make u go bald on day 14 or so and i suppose in the mix there its killing those CA cells. But I must say it does feel good to feel good for a week before I get whacked again (I'm on the 3 week cycle). Hope u feel better soon. Valerie
  • azdiva
    azdiva Member Posts: 201
    edited October 2009

    Hey Girls - 

    Valerie - I am going to start promoting "better living through chemistry"!  Haha.  I think I did that PRE-BC.  Unfortunately, not good chemistry!

    On the steroid high.  Trying to get stuff done.  I started feeling antsy about an hour after taking it.  My hairdresser got me in today to shape my human hair wig.  It looks like my hair now . . . Except it is thicker and longer and shinier.  I feel like a mermaid or Lady Godiva.  My head is itchy and a little rashy around my ears and at the base of my skull.  Could be razor burn, but my stylist said to ask Dr. Cavalcant about a cream that would help.  Any of you experiencing this?

    And speaking of Dr. Cavalcant - I have 3 pages of notes/questions for him tomorrow.  Things like Can I drink green tea?  (some studies show it INCREASES  the effectiveness of Taxotere)  How about folic acid supplements?  All sorts of questions and studies to get him to put me on Zometa.  Questions about how effective will Tamoxifen be for me if my cancer is only 50% ER+.  How does he feel about DIM, progesterone cream and iodine supplements?  Does he intend to put me on Lupron or Zoladex if my periods don't stop?  When do we do follow up tests like another MRI or PET/PEM scan?

    He is going to tire of me.  I can tell.

    My only questions for WonderDoc (PS) tomorrow are things like - can we suck out all fat and anything ugly anywhere on my torso during the implant exchange surgery.  And is there anything we can do to make my right, non-cancer foob look less "wonky" before the exchange surgery.  It looks like I have neck cleavage.  I will take a picture (NOT NAKED, HAHA).

    Dee and Dogsaver - My mom just told me that Scottsdale Jean Co is doing free makeovers for women going through chemo/breast cancer.  Evidently this involves a free outfit!  I am going to check it out because sometimes she gets her info wrong.  But if true, it could be worth a little drive up there!!

    Shelby - I am so sorry you had to go to the hospital!  But I am glad you are feeling better now.  I love sushi, too, but my doc said to avoid it.  (Note to self - he did NOT say NO).  What did you have?  And did your doc say anything about it?

    Marie - I wish I were crafty (as it Arts)!  Those bottles are very cute and I love your wigs.  I need to post pics of mine.  If only I could find a charged camera around here!!

    I hope you all have a wonderful night.  Lots of rest and minimal s/es.  I am going to get in a last meal and a glass of wine before Big Day #2 tomorrow.

    Love to All -

    Laura 

  • Scoobydoo
    Scoobydoo Member Posts: 499
    edited October 2009

    I am a little concerned because my WBC took a huge drop this week out of the normal range.  I think it was the drop in the required neupogen shots from 6 to 5.  My onc nurse said she believed I could still get my tx on Thursday despite the low WBC.  I am glad to hear that.  But onc will probably increase my neupogen shots this week.  Ugh.  I hate those shots.  I have noticed a more sicky feeling this week.

  • jeanl151
    jeanl151 Member Posts: 146
    edited October 2009

    The big chemo  day is tomorrow.  good luck Mary and Brenda --I will think about you as we go through it tomorrow. Val good luck Thursday.

      I am also on the steroid high, Did a million things today. I am usually on the couch by 7- nope not tonight. I just came home from grocery store and did the giant shopping. It is not like there is no one in my home who couldn't have done it if I am down and out this weekend.  Just gave me something constructive to do.

      I feel like I am forgetting all the  info I learn on this site...brain not working...worry is taking place of memory.   Please tell me what medicine I use the ice for so I don't get mouth sores.

      I also have a Zofran problem.  My insurance only let me have 9 tablets for 7 days.  How many days did you girls find you needed it? I also have a nausea medicine (comprazine SP?)   and ativan.   I  want to avoid nausea as much as possible!!!!!!!!!!!

    thanks, Jean

  • RaiderDee
    RaiderDee Member Posts: 150
    edited October 2009

    Hey Laura

    Good luck tomorrow.  Don't piss Dr. Cavalcant off too badly.  He's my Onc too and he's got a heck of a temper when you get him mad.  I think he hates my guts but I don't care because he's the best Onc in the Valley so I stick with him.  Are you going to Pesto's tonight for a last pre chemo meal?  I'll have to get over there and check it out soon.  If your Mom's info is correct, we'll have to carpool out to Scottsdale and get a new "look". I hope everyone is doing well.  Good luck to everyone who has a treatment tomorrow.  Sleep well, be not afraid.

    Dee

  • valeriekd
    valeriekd Member Posts: 287
    edited October 2009

    Hey JEAN I know you'll do fine. Anticipation is the worst part. They'll take good care of u. r u  getting a port? Oh and don't worry about the nausea thing - between the three zofran,compazine and ativan - you'll have enough. They also put some in the pre-chemo mix. I didn't take even 7 zofran as i preferred ativan and compazine and was fine,

    OH, i can't get my chemo on thursday b/c my daughter has H1N1 so they put me on prophylactic Tamiflu and postponed chemo til Tues of next week. I am actually not unhappy about that b/c I love Halloween! Good luck to all making the journey tomorrow -I'll be thinking of you- Valerie 

  • azdiva
    azdiva Member Posts: 201
    edited October 2009

    Hi again!

    Dee - Yep!  I'm headed to Pesto's at 630!  Come on down!  I will be the one with mermaid hair!  I know Dr. C is the best.  And he really is patient with me.  He listens to my questions/concerns and lets me know what's what.  But I WILL press him on the Zometa thing.  I have dreams about it.  If he gets angry, well, I guess I will take the heat for everyone else!!  haha

    Valerie - I love Halloween too.  If I can find a working camera, I will post a picture of my Zombie Baby Garden.  The "good" thing about chemo tomorrow, and therefore missing the weekend trip to the dunes with my new rail, is that I will be here for Halloween.  I will be sad to miss my son's first ride on his motorcycle, but my daughter has to stay here for a dance convention, and I am going to help her dress like one of the members of KISS!

    Steroid high continues!  I am posting like an auctioneer!

    Laura 

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2009

    Dear Dee, Laura,

    Never be afraid of your onco. Build a good relationship and trust not fear.

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited October 2009

    Jean and Brenda: good luck to both of you fellow chemo-newbies tomorrow ... and anyone else going for #2 or #3.

    Jean were you told to take steroids prior to your chemo? I was given three Rx - Emend, Decadron and Zofran. I filled the Rx for Emend and Decadron but my instructions are that I will be given the dose of Emend and Decadron at the chemo site tomorrow (Day 1) and then will take doses for Day 2 and Day 3 at home. I haven't filled the Rx for Zofran as they told me that would just be taken as needed. Is it extra insurance against nausea in case the Emend doesn't work?

    I'm hoping the Decadron doesn't make me hyperactive and keep me up all night. My dosage is 12mg/day. Is that fairly typical?

    Dee, I hope I'm as lucky as you with SEs (or lack thereof)!

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2009

    Dear Mary,

    Emend is pretty good. It is supposed to work for 24 hours. But do fill the Rx for Zofran or Ativan or Compazine etc since their actions are fast and they are not as long lasting. Everyone responds to different anti emetics.

    I get Emend, Aloxi, Decadron on day of chemo and Emend (2 pills each good for 24 hrs), Kytril (6 pills each good for 12 hrs), Compazine (20 pills each good for 4 hrs) for the next 5-6 days. So far I have always used everything up but 3-4 Compazines :-)

  • RaiderDee
    RaiderDee Member Posts: 150
    edited October 2009

    Onty, Don't get me wrong, I'm not afraid of him, he's just an old curmudgeon.  We didn't get off on the right foot on our first meeting but we do ok now.  He really is a great Onc.  In fact, we get along much better now that he understands that I do my homework (research) and that I just want him to explain his reasons for his choice of treatments, meds, etc.  I'm not sure he was use to that too much before we met.  I have all of the confidence in the world in the old guy, he really knows his business.

    Laura, sorry, can't make it to Pesto's tonight, gonna make a home cooked meal for DH.  We will get together soon so I can see your mermaid hair.  You have my number.  Give me a call if you start getting nervous about tomorrow.  Everyone be well.

    Dee

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2009

    Dear Dee,

    I understand..... good docs come with big egos.... 

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited October 2009

    Onty, that's a lot of drugs! I wasn't given an Rx for Ativan, Compazine, Kytril or Aloxi.

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited October 2009

    Dee: I know I read somewhere that there was a study showing that those cancer patients who were most involved in their care (ones like us asking all the questions) statistically do better than those who just go along with the doctors' recommendations. By that token, all of us on this thread should do well as we all are inclined to question things.

    BTW, what drugs were you prescribed for the SEs of AC?

  • RaiderDee
    RaiderDee Member Posts: 150
    edited October 2009

    Mary, I had most of my anti nausea drugs by IV pre chemo.  The only prescription I got after AC was prochlorperazine.  I took one after chemo that night and one the next morning but never had any problems.

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2009

    Dear Mary,

    Yes thats a lot of drugs and yes I took almost all of them :-) I will try to reduce the intake this time.

    Dear Dee,

    Prochlorperazine = Compazine. More power to you if you were able to control nausea/vomiting with just that. Some are able to.

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