Budwig diet/Flax oil
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Lela thank you for your help. I'm from Greece and my english isn't so good to allow me to read and understand english books and there isn't translation of these books in greek.
Can you tell me if you have ask about your diet your doctor? Is he agree?
Can my mom have the diet during chemos? or have to wait till the end of chemos?
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gogo_xago, I did not ask my doctors about the diet. I don't know about Greece, but doctors in the USA NEVER talk about diet. They only know, and prescribe, treatments. Like radiation and chemo. Which, IMO is why the USA spends so much on medical care and has no benefit, for it.
I just know, for myself, I refused the radiation for my 2cm IDC. Chemo was never offered.
And, on my own, went with the FOCC. Again, for my part, because my sister, with her Stage 3 Ovarian cancer is just thriving, on it. Her Ovarian cancer was cut out, two years ago, with clear margins. Refused adjuvant chemo, been on the BP, and is the picture of health.
As am I! I've never felt better, in my life.
Although, if your mother has chosen chemo, the BP/FOCC diet will certainly help.
In my view, eating, healthy, is NEVER a detriment. And the FOCC is just the ultimate, of that.
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Interesting, the lack of response, on this thread.
I'll just repeat. I'm doing, great. And with my 2006 IDC,cut out with huge margins, I never did ANY of these "treatments." The Radiation, the drugs.
Three years, later, I'm cancer free. And "symptom free" from all of the "treatments." Which I said NO, to.
And have never felt better than I have, on the FOCC.
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Congratulations Leia! Do you follow the entire Budwig protocol or just use the FOCC?
Deni
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This is the first I've heard of the Budwig diet and I'm VERY interested. I've had 10 months of chemo, mastectomy, radiation...and now they've put me on Femara. A week into it and I'm done. This is the not the quality of life I want. Does anyone know if this diet suppresses estrogen (I'm ER/PR +)? I need to find an alternative!
Thanks,
Susan
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Deni, I'm just doing the FOCC. Although, I have also cut out almost all processed foods, and eat lots of fruits. I need to eat more veggies, working on that.
From what I've read, the "entire Budwig protocol" is for people that have active cancers. In which, when you follow the protocol, the cancer literally goes, away. With no treatments.
Of course, there are no "studies" on this. Just anecdotal evidence of people, cured. But then, why would there be studies? There is no $$$ to be made off of the Budwig protocol. Only off of radiation and chemo and drugs. So, there's LOTS of studies, for those things. Proving how "helpful" they are. In some cases, yes, but not in the case of Early Stage Breast Cancer, which is what I had. Which is what the majority of cancers, discovered via Mammogram or MRI, are.
For my part, I had my 2cm cancer cut out successfully. So my thought, I don't currently have cancer, yet, I'm prone to cancer, it's the FOCC for me. Plus, cutting out the processed foods and eating fruits and veggies. I rarely eat meat.
Plus, to just repeat, I can not describe how much better, I feel. Which is above and beyond any anti-cancer benefit. Repeating, again, I'm just mentally calmer. And physically, feel great. More energy, more everything. And I truly believe it's because my body is being nourished, by the FOCC. Which is facilitating the oxygen, getting to each individual cell. Which is what the FOCC does. As Dr. Budwig says, in her books.
It's been a life-changer, for me.
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Susan, my 2cm Cancer was ER+PR+/HER-
And sorry, I can't remember the cite exactly, tonight, but the FOCC has NO effect on your estrogen positive cancer.
I will look for the cite, and post it, later.
But it sounds like you've been through ... HELL.
The Doctors main goal is supposed to be: Do No Harm.
It sounds like the docs failed, with you. Their "treatment" is dehabilitating you.
Cancer is awful, but if the treatment causes your quality of life to decline ... what's the point.
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Leia, that is great that you are seeing the benefits of the FOCC. Do you know about the Yahoo discussion group relating to FOCC? I have been on there and everyone who posts is following the Budwig Protocol or doing FOCC. Here is the link to join the group if you are interested:
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Hello all,
Just checking in to let everyone know I am still following the Budwig Protocol, doing just fine and still showing no further signs of cancer. I'm trying SO hard to keep it this way. My oncologist has lengthened the time period between my scans from every 3 months to every 6 months so I don't go back until March- the last was in September. Sometimes I get a little depressed before scans because when I go to the blood lab we're all wearing masks, many have lost their hair, are pushing around IV carts, and looking generally weak if they can walk at all. I realize how easily this could be me. I really want to stand up on the reception desk and talk about Budwig but I don't think that would go over too well and they'd probaby call security! I've tried to talk to some friends or associates who have cancer about merely changing their diets but they "ain't hearing it." I decided I would only talk about it to those who ask me what I've done to stay so healthy and seem truly interested.
On a funny note-- if there is one with this disease-- I went to my general physician when I had a severe back ache (I was afraid my remaining kidney was acting up) and he had not seen me since my cancer diagnosis and surgery. When I told the physician's assistant about the cancer and described everything that was removed during the surgery she seemed like she didn't believe me. She put the stethoscope on my bare back and listened to my heart for a minute, took a couple of notes, and went out of the room. Well when she came back with the doctor she said-- still in a little disbelief I guess-- "I noticed you don't have a scar on your back from the kidney surgery." She said it almost mocking, sorta like, 'aha, I caught you, ya little liar.' I said, "Oh, it's in the front," and lifted my shirt. She almost fainted when she saw that battle scar from mid cleavage to the bikini line. The doctor said, "Uhhh, you said you had surgery WHEN?" I said, "June 4th." "Two-thousand nine???" he asked. Yup 2009. "What kind of treatment are you taking?" "There's nothing available for my cancer type and I'm not eligible for the expreimental treatments. So I just became vegetarian and left it to God." I wouldn't dare say I'm doing alternative treatment. "Wow," he said. "Keep it up."
I thought it was SOOOOO funny that they just did not want to believe how bad off I must have been in June, but yet I am the picture of health today. Turns out the backache was arthritis resulting from the recent cold weather spell and it wore off after a few days.
Anyway, I hope everyone here is well. If you haven't joined the flaxseed2 group on yahoo, please do. It's one of the most extensive Budwig-related forums. Other good Budwig info sites are healingcancernaturally dot com and cancertutor dot org.
And to gogo_xago from Greece, Budwig books are also in German if you are familiar with that language.
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dear leia
i glad that budwig diet worked for you, i do really believe that cancer cells could be fed or starved by the kind of food we eat
i would like to try the diet,but iwould like to know please if it could be applied with other drugs(tykerb in particular ),and is it ok to toast ungrounded flaxseeds before use?
thank you all ,
MBC 2007,ER-,PR-,HER2 +
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Leia and Stef, that is AMAZING!! Thank you for reporting back how well it's working for you.
When you first posted about this, I didn't have my offiical diagnosis yet and was still in the "stunned" phase. I found out about the Budwig protocol from several other sources and have been eating a FOCC breakfast every day... I load it with cancer-fighting foods like organic blueberries and chopped apricot seeds, plus a tablespoon of chia seeds pumpkin seeds for more nutrients and a more interesting texture.
I am SO addicted to this breakfast, I will have no problem eating it for the rest of my life! I ran out of cottage cheese the other day so I couldn't have it for breakfast... I was actually sad about it and felt "off" all morning.
I second the suggestion to join the flax oil group that Deni linked -- there is a wealth of great info there!
I've been on FOCC and (roughly) the whole Budwig protocol (which is basically all about good healthy eating of whole foods, exercise, sunshine etc.) since October and I truly do feel amazing. I don't know whether it's the FOCC, the organic vegetables and fruits I've been eating, iodine, vitamin D3 or what, but I haven't felt this good since my early 20's, and I'm sleeping better, losing weight (15 pounds so far without even trying -- another 20 to go!), and am able to get things done (that is a BIGGIE for this ADD chick!!). It's just amazing. I wish I'd known to do all this when my husband and I first started trying to conceive. I bet we'd have four or five children by now!!
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Marie,
The Budwig Protocol has been said to help patients tolerate chemo more easily. If you are going to have surgery, you should stop using flaxseed oil at least one week before. Doctors will tell you this, as well.
Heat destroys flaxseeds and flaxseed oil and makes it rancid so please DO NOT TOAST flaxseeds.
Julia,
CONGRATS! Doesn't following Budwig make ya feel just wonderful???? When it's time for my flax and cottage cheese "snack" I start to crave it, and I love adding fresh fruit in the morning or raw nuts and cinnamon in the afternoon!
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And Marie, good luck! I am glad you are giving it a try! You'll love it!
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Hello everyone! I've been doing FOCC off and on since diagnosis in June 2008. IMO, FOCC has sprodically helped shrink my tumors. However, I'm interested to see if the ground flax seed is better than flax oil? I've tried both and it seems to give me better results when I used the ground flax seed (freshly ground). Also, I'm happy to see that a lot of the posters here feel great! I, however, is not feeling too too great. My back pain has increased (post-Abraxane/Avastin) and this could be due to the SE's they're talking about with Femara? Does FOCC affect how Femara works or the reverse?
Also I'm interested to do the Budwig lifestyle. I"ve completely changed my diet to a MODIFIED vegan: no dairy, meat, mostly organic, but wild caught fish when needing the additional protein. HOw hard was it for anyone to do it? I'm just frustrated that the Budwig has not completely shrunk my tumors, maybe because I"m not doing it 100%??
Thanks
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Hi JennGrace,
If you are doing Budwig off and on/sporadically then I guess it's going to shrink your tumors off and on, just as you say it's been doing. We can't do it halfway and expect a full result. Do the Budwig Protocol exactly and see what kind of results you get. I do eat salmon on occasion and add nutritional yeast flakes to soups, grits, oatmeal, and hot veggies for protein. Budwig was known to give her patients a little salmon from time to time so I figure its okay.
The other thing I'm concerned about with your note is the either/or choice with flax oil and flax seeds. You should be using both on this diet. The key to this FOCC mixture is allowing the flax oil to bind with the proteins in the cottage cheese. Once you make that mixture, you sprinkle some ground flax seed on top. Remember, it's not an either/or, it's both.
I don't know about Femara so I can't help there but maybe another member is familiar, Keep on going with the diet and I wish you the best!
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I'll just check back in to this thread to say that I'm continuing to doing well, with the FOCC. Last week, (2/3/10) just had another Mammogram/Clinical Breast Exam. Totally normal. My doc was rushed, and finally said she had to rush out and deal with the "sick patients."
She couldn't be bothered with me, the healthy one. Well, actually, she said, I was the only healthy patient that she'd dealt with, that day.
I gladly put myself, in that category. The healthy patients. At some point, I can envision myself, just not bothering with these doctors. Why did I waste my time on 2/3/10.
The FOCC is the real deal. That, and Vitamin D3. And by now, even the NYT is reporting a new study.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/01/the-miracle-of-vitamin-d-sound-science-or-hype/?emc=eta1
This study, Vitamin D3 and Omega 3s,which is what Flaxseed oil/Budwig is.
My thought, why wait for some "study?"
I'm getting healthy, now. And to repeat feeling GREAT.
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Stef2day said exactly what I was going to say. It hasn't been hard for me at all to stick pretty closely to the Budwig protocol (it lines up with everything I had decided to do anyway). Actually today I ran out of CC so I couldn't have my usual FOCC breakfast. I've felt "off" all day today. I asked my husband at 5pm why on earth I was so dead-tired.
It hit me that maybe I should eat some FOCC. I went to the store to buy more CC and made some up and ate it... within an hour I had my energy back completely and was feeling a lot better.
I also eat wild-caught salmon every now and then, but I will never again eat tuna (sniff sniff... I adored my tuna sushi and grilled tuna steak!), not until I'm 80 years old and don't have my whole life ahead of me like I do now.
Leia, I agree... Budwig + vitamin D3 and I would add iodine to that is a DYNAMITE cancer-fighting formula!
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This is another very interesting thread. I thought I was well-informed, but find myself new to the bugwig. Will someone be kind enough to tell me what exactly FOCC stands for? What about CC? Then, what does an FOCC breakfast consist of? Please, those acronyms are a killer
....I just joined the Yahoo group on this subject after finally seein Deni's post on that.
Thank you for your help.
EDITED TO ADD: Eureka, I found it in Yahoo Groups
FLAXSEED OIL and COTTAGE CHEESE (FOCC) or quark:
Generally, each tablespoon of Flaxseed Oil (FO) is blended with 2 or
more tablespoons of low-fat organic Cottage Cheese(CC)or quark.
That is a ratio of approximately 1:2. Cold-pressed refrigerated
liquid FO is used, for example, Barlean's & Spectrum. It's better
to buy regular FO instead of High Lignan FO. Healthier lignans
are obtained at a lower cost by using freshly ground flaxseeds.
[used instead of Linomel]. Ground seeds must be consumed within 15 minutes -
Thanks ste2day! Your post was very encouraging. I ordered the book, 'The Oil Protein Diet Cookbook' and I've been Budwig-ing all week! I love the fact that I can add the spread and the mayonnaise to mostly all raw fruits and veggies. Now I really look forward to my meals! I can't believe I didn't go full force with this since last year. I'm feeling kinda sad because I would have had better results on my scans but I guess I can't go back now...<<sigh>> Although I would say I have a generally healthy diet..
Anyway, are any of these items Budwig-safe:
* Tempeh
* Rice Cheese (brown rice)
* Canned wild caught salmon (this was mentioned but I don't know if it is canned)
* Almond cheese alternative
* Organic chicken, wild-caught fish (because Budwig has forbidden any animal fats)
* An occasional candy, bag of potato chips, etc.
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I haven't been here for awhile, but just wanted to update everyone on my experience with Budwig. I was diagnosed 2/17/09 with IDC and started Budwig on 3/6 (actually, was doing Henderson Protocol initially, which incorporated only a small component of Budwig with ALOT of supplements). Gradually, I weaned myself off the supplements and eventually became 100% Budwig compliant...well, as close as I can possibly get to 100%. I did have a lumpectomy on 4/30/09, but no radiation, chemo or tamoxifen. Surgery is the only conventional treatment I will take. I recently had my follow-up mammogram/ultrasound and got the all-clear! I just met with my onc last week to update blood work and this is the very exciting part....my CA 15-3 (breast cancer marker) has dropped by 30% since the baseline test was done in July (I wish they would have done one pre-surgery, but I didn't know what to ask for then). At any case, I'm thrilled with this result and it is just the confirmation I needed. Along the Budwig road, I have dabbled with various supplements, but I've got to tell you, I think they can be counter-productive. The only ones I still take are D3 (when I can't get regular natural D from the sun) and DIM (I am 95% ER+). I tried the Iodoral (iodine) for awhile, but after being on it about 6 weeks, I truly felt like it was doing more harm to my thyroid than help. So, I'm happy to say I'm feeling great on Budwig alone (especially since being more committed to the juicing aspect) and am saving ALOT of money since I'm not buying all those supplements anymore.
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Dear MBROWNING,
I am absolutely ....positively.....thrilled for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My dear dear friend Bev was dx in February of last year also, and the first week of March 2009, had a double mastectomy. That's all!! She is also doing soooooo well. I will "snip" your post to send to her. Bev was dx with TNBC just as my daughter. Given time and the proper nutrients, I truly believe the body can heal itself. -
Dear MBROWNING: Nan is right: this is absolutely, totally, completely thrilling news. Hum, Hum, Hum! See: there are more and more of us out there.
Now, I am determined to put the core Budwig in my diet in the near future.
Believe it or not: I also had to stop taking the iodine: I don't know what it is, but I got nauseated every time I used it, maybe one of the rare side effects.
However, I believe I need the other supplements that I am on: I am taking a mushroom blend, 1 olive leaf capsule in the morning, 1 holy basil capsule in the evening (but planning to switch to holy basil in my daily salad, period); I am also taking Quercetin for my allergies (those have completely disappeared after I got into nutrition and natural treatments, although I had had them for decades); I am taking Evening Primrose Oil, which is still working for my hot flashes; I am taking Tocotrienols (mostly Gamma), NAC (for detox), Ubiquinol, DIM (indeed), GABA (calming in the evening), Magnesium, Chromium GTF. Of course, I am taking D3, as well as probiotics (mostly in the form of organic yogurt);
Can you all tell me if there is any of those supplements that you would not consider taking, or have even stopped taking? Thank you.
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MBROWNING, that is WONDERFUL news!!!!!!! It's one thing to feel fantastic taking care of our health, but it's so reassuring to get "hard data" confirmation, hm??
I'm down to only a couple of daily supplements too... I do take D3 every day and will continue to do so until it's sunny again here, and I do take Iodoral (50mg for now -- I suspect I was chronically iodine-deficient) and CoQ10. Everything else, I make sure a well-rounded, whole foods, Budwig-compliant diet takes care of. May I ask what Iodoral dose you had been taking?
Anyway, huge congrats! (btw, just seeing the word Budwig on this thread is making me crave my FOCC mixed with ground flaxseed, organic blueberries, chia and chopped Brazil nuts! Mmmmm!!!
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Nan~ I, too, have been so amazed at the body's ability to heal (God designed quite a sophisticated machine for us!). Further, I think it is incredible how it sends a red flag when we introduce something that is not right for it....we just have to pay more attention to those flags!
Yazmin~ I have total confidence in Budwig. If you read Anticancer by David Servan-Schreiber, his current research backs Budwig's theories in almost mirror-image fashion! This tells me that Johanna Budwig was way ahead of her time (brilliant), and as such was scoffed at.I had hoped that the Iodoral would work for me (I do believe there is a link between thyroid dysfunction and breast cancer and had hoped it was the "smoking gun" for me). Obviously, thyroid was not my problem! I am not familiar with most of the supplements you mention, but would encourage you to try to get as much of the ingredients in food vs. supplements (ie: mushroom, olive, basil). When you do rely on supplements, read the labels....try to stay away from ones that have alot of extra additives! I was not taking any that you mention....mine were mostly antioxidants (which are a direct contradiction to the Budwig protocol which is oxidative; adding antioxidants simply cancels the benefit out!). Eating whole, mostly raw foods (primarily veggies) provides all the natural antioxidants we need! The cottage cheese that I use for my FOCC (Nancy's Organic Low Fat) has probiotics. I did forget to mention that I take Green Supreme Barley Power tablets before each meal....'lots of good enzymes to help with digestion.
Crunchy~ I had gotten up to 50 mg per day of Iodoral along with the ATP CoFactors. I soooo wanted it to work for me. But, I got to a point where I was really feeling tired (chronically) and I think my neck (around the thyroid) was thickening....yuck! Once I got off it, I felt much better almost immediately. I do believe it works for those that are truly deficient in their thyroid function, however!
Everyone is different and what works for one will not work for all. That's what I think is so incredible about each individual's system.....you know when you've got the right mix!
I wish you all the very best in your chosen paths. I cannot help but think that as you get more and more into Budwig, you will not need so much of the other stuff. I stumbled on it quite by accident, but have absolutely no regrets (other than I wish I would have given it more time....a full 3 months...before having surgery, which I had already cancelled twice before!) I have a sneaking suspicion that my surgery path report would have read much differently if I had let Budwig do it's thing!
Melissa
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Dear Melissa,
I have posted the link to this article several times here on this forum, with the hopes that women scheduled for surgery would read it.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/dec2009_Preventing-Surgery-Induced-Cancer-Metastasis_01.htm
The procedures implemented before and after surgery are extremely important. Yet in the 2 1/2 years that I have been reading posts from women on BC sites, I have never read of any of these recommendations. I have to wonder how many recurrences or other primary diagnosis could have been prevented. Women are either having neoadjuvant chemo or they are rushed in to surgery a week after diagnosis.
BTW...I have been recommending Servan-Shreiber's book for almost a year now.
Did you know that he was asked to speak at MD Anderson, and I believe they have adopted many of his recommendations.I wish you continued success with the path you have chosen...I just know it is the right one!!
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MBROWNING: Thank you for your input. Still, my mind is slightly resisting getting started on the budwig protocol, due to the dairy connection. Have you read Deanna's interesting post in "Natural Girls"? This is about the pregnant cow/estrogen connection. What do you think?Nan: Thank you for tirelessly posting the above-mentioned thread in the forum: your information bears repeating over and over again, because it is life-saving (which is why I, too, have copied/pasted it on several occasions).
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MBrowning, so good to hear of your great results on budwig!
Before I had ever heard of budwig, I was grinding 3-4 T of flaxseeds and mixing it with plain yogurt and some honey (read about it in Christiane Northrup's book on menopause, which I loved). I really liked it and ate it nearly every day for 7 months when I had some bloodwork done. My cholesterol was around 230 in January 2008, which is nearly identical to my results a month before my bc dx in 2004. That really burst my bubble. I know I wasn't following budwig to the letter, but it sure seemed like it would've been close enough to at least lower my cholesterol a bit.
One thing I wonder about budwig is the mixing of the ingredients. I've come across information that insisted the flaxseed, flaxoil and cottage be mixed with an electric mixer. Is that really necessary?
I've been subscribing to the iodine list for a couple of years now. It's a great list, but dang, there's dozens of messages everyday. How much volume occurs in the budwig list?
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About your list of possible no-no's, if you adhere to the basic Budwig rules, you'll have your answer. Budwig says NO oils except cold-pressed flax, occasional cold-pressed sunflower seed oil and extra virgin coconut oil is okay. NO sugar, no soy. Oils and sugars are the BIG no-no's with cancer. So....
- Tempeh- Budwig says fermented soy is okay, like in soy sauce. I THINK tempeh is fermented soy but I am not sure about this one so I avoid it. "When in doubt, cast it out," is what I always say.
- Rice cheese- check the sugar and oil content.
- Canned wild caught salmon- Not good-- it's a processed food and Budwig says no processed foods. A small amount of fresh salmon is okay on occasion.
- Almond cheese- check the sugar and oil content.
- Organic Chicken, wild caught salmon-- Budwig says no amimal fats so I'd stay away from the chicken and occasional wild caught salmon is okay.
- Candy- Absolutely not. Sugar is forbidden. In her books, Budwig says "Bon-bons mean by-bye." Harsh but true words-- and I LOVE my gummy bears and jelly bellies but I had to let 'em go!
- Chips-- check the ingredients. Even plain chips have sugar and are, of course, full of bad oils. I found one brand- Boulder Canyon plain potato chips w/ nothing but potatoes, sunflower oil, and sea salt. I treat myself to one bag about every two weeks if I have been 100% compliant.
Read the ingredients on EVERYTHING. You would be surprised to see how much sugar, bad oil, and soy is in everything on the shelves in the grocery store from bread to spaghetti sauce. I have read other books that say this contributes to the high incidence of obesity in our society.
@Althea- mixing the flax oil and cottage cheese until they bind chemically is the key to the mixture. This is why Budwig recommends the electric mixer. I got one of those hand wands for about $15 at Target. The flax seed can just be sprinkled on top but should be ground with a coffee grinder first.
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You would be surprised to see how much sugar, bad oil, and soy is in everything on the shelves in the grocery store from bread to spaghetti sauce.
Because of this, I basically don't buy ANY packaged goods, EVER, any more, with only a very few exceptions (e.g. whole-grain pasta - ideally made with ingredients other than wheat, such as millet). Either I make it myself from fresh ingredients or I don't eat it.
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Anyone Stage III breast that had chemo, refused radiation, and is doing the Budwig diet and have not had their cancer return?
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