taxotere and permanent hair loss

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  • lynn1575
    lynn1575 Member Posts: 13
    edited September 2009

    I've just had my first treatment with taxotere and cytoxin 2 days ago. No side effects yet. I have

    been reading all of the posts about permanent hair loss and am quite concerned. I work for a

    dermatologist and we see many cases of alopecia. Have any of your doctors checked your

    ferritin levels? Your ferritin level must be above 70 for hair to regrow. Prescription iron supplements

    we use to bring them above 70 include Repliva and Chromagen. It's certainly worth a blood test to

    find out. It would make sense that with the chemo drugs lowering RBC & WBC counts it may also

    lower ferritin levels.



  • makingway
    makingway Member Posts: 799
    edited September 2009

    I have heard that the information Wikipedia provides is NOT accurate. It is only a compilation of information provided by different sources.

  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2011

    Hello Lynn - Did your oncologist tell you that this is a possibility?  It actually only happens to 6-7% of women so odds are that it will NOT happen to you.

    Please keep in touch with us - there are a great group of women here - a wonderful support group with lots of good information and inspiration.

    Your position in a dermatology office will be helpful to us but right now lets concentrate on getting you through this part of treatment.  If you have any questions, please email me and I can connect you with others in our group.  They are a great group of women - they have listened to me whine, laugh, and cry [and they still answer my emails] LOL

    Treatment will be over soon - know that we are here for you.

    Have a blessed day!

    kirbypk@yahoo.com

  • enjoylife
    enjoylife Member Posts: 578
    edited September 2009

    HELPPPPPPP anyone have a cure for nails my nails went through it while I was on chemo and now a year later they are starting back up they are white and brownish. I have been using Tree Oil but its not curing it .....

  • diptiadhyaru
    diptiadhyaru Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2009

    hi enjoylife dipti here.i too went thru wat u went.my nails had turned black after my chemo started.it started getting slightly better after 9 months.yes if u apply lemon on ur nails it does help plus taking calcium thats wat i did now only one of my nail in the foot is slightly discoloured.take it easy apply nail colours if u like that nd elive life to the fullest cheers

  • moonwolf
    moonwolf Member Posts: 130
    edited September 2009

    I took Glutamine Powder (amino acid) during Taxotere and my nails were good.   Finished 6 months ago and now they are just a bit brittle on the ends in places, but nothing much.  My breast care nurse was impressed.  So it was either that or putting vitamin E and tea tree on nightly. I'm not sure if taking Glutamine after the event will help, but may be worth trying.

    I am hormone receptive (ER+) so I am hesitant to wear nail varnish as it contains carcinogens and probably estrogen mimics and with the nails being absorbant the body may absorb some nasties. 

  • shirleyl
    shirleyl Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2009

    Just wanted to bump this up as we are getting new additions to our group every week.

    Now that Taxotere has been in use in the UK for a while we are getting women from the UK too - we were expecting it to start happening shortly.

  • Sea_nymph
    Sea_nymph Member Posts: 32
    edited October 2009

    Thank you for your posting on this! I am slated to receive either TC (with Taxotere) or ACT in the coming months. My oncologist has given me the choice. I am thankful to be informed of this side effect as my oncologist did not tell me this either! With all the drugs coming down the pipeline, more choices are available, and people's lives no longer rest in the hands of a single company producing Taxotere.  Anyone going through chemo SHOULD BE AWARE of all possible side effects. The drug company producing taxotere is negligent not to disclose this information.

    I'm curious, do you have any commonality among the other members of the group you have assembled that all suffer from this side effect? Maybe assembling a simple spreadsheet would be a great place to start. What dose and frequency of taxotere did everyone recieve? Have you all had chemo prior?  Height/weight? Did you all recieve it in combination with another common drug or supplement? The drug company should collect data on this side effect and disclose information to anyone interested. Until that happens, the reporting is in your hands. Legal action on this is more than warranted.

    Sea_nymph 

  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2011

    Hello - Shirleyl has collected extensive information from each of us and maintains a very thorough database of a wide range of variables. Thus far the only common thread is taxotere.   We are working methodically to contact taxotere researchers and oncologists to build awareness of our conditions and to request help with finding the specific cause and possible remedies. You may email me at kirbypk@yahoo.com and we will include you in our group.

    I am glad that you are entering into therapy better informed than we were.

  • carol1949
    carol1949 Member Posts: 562
    edited October 2009

    I am not sure about the Taxotere, but certainly believe you.  I also had immediate hair loss from Femara and my oncologist just shrugged and said to expect it.  I chose to take myself off froom the Femara for that along with a few other reasons. Cost, feeling like an old lady, achiness, etc.

    I think for the most part the powers that be think that cancer is more important than hair.  Sad, but I am afraid true.

  • enjoylife
    enjoylife Member Posts: 578
    edited October 2009

    Sorry Carol1949 I disagree its pretty hard to get over the cancer if you have a huge bandaid on your head I hope you are one of he lucky ones that got your hair back but we are all hurting and we get it all the tiime doctors shrug their shoulders friends and family tell us we are here we have to work in public and get the looks just going to church is a chore. I think what time of the day it is and who is going to be around I really hope we can all get our hair back but some of these ladies have been fighting this since 2002. The only thing we all have taken is Taxotere and because that company doesn't want to loose business they wont recognize the problem. I am glad you got off Femara but I am on Amedex and it hasn't given me any side effects for that I am lucky. I surely hope we can all find the answers and not to have to settle.

  • carol1949
    carol1949 Member Posts: 562
    edited October 2009

    Dear enjoy,  I apologize.  I didn't mean to insinuate that I agree.  I didn't make myself clear that I think that is what the researchers and doctors think.  NOT me!  I agree with all of you and as I said, It was important enough to me, that I took myself off from Femara as well as synthroid due to hair loss.

    Best wishes for your healing.

  • YATCOMW
    YATCOMW Member Posts: 664
    edited October 2009

    A person I worked with was diagnosed about 2 years before me......she is now almost 8 years out and her hair has never grown back......she had TAC.

    My hair has grown back but I used to have great thick hair......now it is very thin and you can see through my hair to my scalp. 

    I always heard that chemo made your hair come back thick and curly.....not us.

    Jacqueline

  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2011

    Hi Jacqueline,

    I started this group topic more than a year ago but really had no idea when I did it that my hair might really not come back.  After talking with so many women, I know it is reality.

    We would love to have you join our group.  We share the good, the bad, lift one another up when we get really down. My email address is kirbypk@yahoo.com  should you decide to be a part of the group.

    I am going to stand with you in prayer this evening - not sure what you are going through but am here to support you. 

    Blessings,

    Pam

  • NewportLori
    NewportLori Member Posts: 67
    edited October 2009

    I came across this thread even before registering to participate while searching for info on Taxotere hair loss and learned that it was permanent in a small number of cases.  Fortunately, I also found information on Penguin Cold Caps (PCCs) on this forum and elsewhere on the Internet and have been using them on the day of my infusions to save my hair.  I've had 4 out of 6 TC treatments (#5 is tomorrow) and still have enough hair to go without a wig. 

    PCCs are from the UK, where various forms of cold cap treatment is common.  In the US, they are not yet approved by the FDA and unless you are being treated at a facility that is part of a clinical trial for them, you are on your own to rent them and learn how to use them effectively, which involves keeping them in your freezer and cooling them further in picnic coolers with dry ice on the day of tx.  They have to be changed every 30 minutes and you need to find your own helper as you can't do it by yourself, especially while hooked up to an IV.

    If you want more information about the possibility of saving your hair with PCC, check out this BC.org forum: http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/6/topic/735873?page=4#idx_119 

    The main website is http://www.msc-worldwide.com/

    Feel free to send me a PM if you have more questions.

    Just wanted to let everyone know that there are technologies available that can help you save your hair during chemotherapy, including that with Taxotere.

    Best wishes,

    Lori

  • anniebford
    anniebford Member Posts: 128
    edited October 2009

    Hi okblessed,

    I finished TAC in mid Dec and my hair is sooo thin. I feel like this is a problem for me that nobody around me is taking very seriously. I've posted on this on another thread but there was not any helpful advice there either. People don't seem to understand. They consistently say things like 'it will get thicker' or 'you have way more hair than you did in January'. The hair is 1-2 inches long, there's just not enough of it to cover my scalp. My hair is thin enough that people gawk when my head is not covered in the back. I was never told anything about permanent hair loss. In fact, I was told it was only temporary. I'm really not happy about the possibility of this being permanent. I ordered a volumizer hairpiece. I hope it will work and be comfortable since I only want to be able to blend in when I go somewhere. I am aware that hair is small potatoes compared to alot of other things. So, if anyone feels the need to try and remind me of that then take a number.

    Annie

  • enjoylife
    enjoylife Member Posts: 578
    edited October 2009
    anieford  I am part of the group that has hair loose from Taxotore one of the ladies who is in the group and got it started is  kirbypk@yahoo.com  her name is Pam plese either email her or me at bostonian3@yahoo.com and I will forward the group some laides have already been to specialist and yes they act like your here be happy and we understand so much we are just trying to get help of course and for this to never happen to anohter lady. Hope this helps.
  • shirleyl
    shirleyl Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2009

    Carol, i can ASSURE you i have been informed by my team who have spoken to Sanofi about it and they all say it was TAXOTERE that has caused my permanent baldness so please so insinuate that you know better than the proffesionals. What reaserchers do you mean?

  • carol1949
    carol1949 Member Posts: 562
    edited October 2009

    shirley, and anyone else I have offended..... Perhaps I am not making myself clear.

    I am trying to say that anytime over the years that I have spoken to a doctor about hair loss which I have struggled with for several years from everything from synthroid - femara, the doctors have basically told me without using these exact words.... "too bad, this issue of losing hair that you, (me) are dealing with is not as important as your thyroid, and in the case of the femara.... like I said, my oncologist just shrugged, like as if to say so what.  When I say the researchers, I mean the people that help formulate the drugs.   I don't think they are right!  I think they are terribly wrong!  I also took myself off from these meds for that reason as well as other reasons.  Sometimes I feel like we are guinne pigs for these things.

    I don't feel that way,or I wouldn't be on here trying to find out more information.  If there is anything I can do to help.... I am happy to do so.

  • shirleyl
    shirleyl Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2009

    Hi Carol, it was your quote 'i am not sure about the taxotere' that got me riled.

    Still not sure what you meant by that but its not important. I have had correspondence from Sanofi saying they are aware of me and sorry but tough!

    I will continue to be a thorn in their side till the day i die unless i get what i want.

    Its all starting kick off in the UK now so that will be interesting!

  • sarahms
    sarahms Member Posts: 3
    edited October 2009

    Hello everyone,

    I am 4 months after my last taxotere treatment, and my eyebrows hardly grew back. Many women here mentioned a finger massage they used to stimulate hair growth. Does it help? Where can I purchase it? (And sorry for my mistakes. English is not my mother tounge.)

     Thanks a lot,

     Sarah

  • carol1949
    carol1949 Member Posts: 562
    edited October 2009

    Shirley,  I am saying that I am not sure how the taxotere has affected my hair loss, as my hair has been thin for many years some of which is from synthroid and also hypothyroid.  Hair loss is a symptom of hypothyroid and also a side effect from synthroid.  Also, I lost hair immediately after starting Femara... then took myself off from it and it seemed to thicken up a bit.  My hair is still very thin, but I don't know if the taxotere caused it, since I had the thin hair prior. 

    I have had the best results when I use Phytologee hair program for thinning hair.  www.Phyto.com is where you can read about it.  I took the vitamins, and also used the phytocyanne shampoo, phytopollein, and the elixer for thinning hair for women.  You might look into that.  I am a hairstylist and we used their products in one of the salons I worked at.  You can buy it from Sephora on line.  What I didn't like about Rogaine, and/or Nioxin is the chemicals involved, where the Phtyo is plant based.

    My heart is with you... Please let us know what happens.

  • shirleyl
    shirleyl Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2009

    Carol, i suppose your hair should be back to its 'amount' prior to chemo.

    The only thing for use to use is Rogaine, but i definatly dont want to be using things like this as any hair regrown with this falls out when you stop it and i dont want to be taking something pemanently.

    I am afraid there is no magic cure, we have had experts on PSA (caused by Taxotere) tell us theres nothing you can do other than use Rogaine. Lets face it, men hate being bald so if there was a cure there wouldnt be any bald men walking about!

  • shirleyl
    shirleyl Member Posts: 167
    edited October 2009

    Sarah, not sure what you mean but if its those metal things they feel wonderful. You can probly find them if you google the name of them - not sure what it is called.

  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2011

    Ladies - we started this topic almost a year and a half ago - if any of you ARE STILL EXPERIENCING HAIR LOSS please email us at:

    taxotears@googlegroups.com

    Thank you so much and have a very Happy Thanksgiving!

    Pam

  • NewportLori
    NewportLori Member Posts: 67
    edited December 2009

    sarahms, I hear that Latisse can be very helpful in getting eyebrows to regrow.  It's expensive but the women I know who have used it do not use the application brushes provided as they waste too much product.  You can either trim one of the provided brushes down or buy a brush designed for eyeliner.  However, if you are reusing a brush, be sure to wash it after each application, especially if you are using it for eyelashes as well.  The website is http://www.latisse.com and there is a link at the top right side to find a doctor who sells in in your area.

    Best wishes,

    Lori

  • bakinmom
    bakinmom Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2010

    Hello,

    I had 6 rounds of Taxotere and Carboplatin and my last chemo was Oct. 3, 2008.  I still have very fine and thin hair on the top and back of my head.   What I do have is growing straight up.  My oncologist said that she has two or three other ladies with the same problem after taking Taxotere.  I am thankful for my health, but I miss having hair.

  • brendaw
    brendaw Member Posts: 47
    edited January 2010

    Well !!!

    I just stumbled on this thread and now I am scared to death.  I have just gone through 2 treatments of Taxotere alone, with 2 to go.  I did not know that permanent hair loss was a side effect. It sounds like it is different for everyone.  But, my doctor did not mention it at all. 

    My question to you all tonight is:  While you were going through your treatments did you go completely bald?  (Mr. Clean like)  After 2 treatments, I still have stubble on my head.

     Three years ago when I went through this with the Adrymiacin/Taxol, I was completely bald.

    Brenda 

  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2011

    taxotears@googlegroups.com

    You can correspond with others through the above email group. We ALL miss our hair and are very sad that taxotere is still being used without oncologists being aware of this side effect.  We have tried everything we know to do to spread awareness and to look for solutions.

    We are trying to learn to live with the fact that we will be bald forever.

  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2011

    Hi Brenda - I think most of us have experienced something more like male-pattern baldness. Some almost slick on top then fuzz grows in and that is about it - some don't even get fuzz. Please remember - this does not happen to everyone - concentrate on getting well. 

    I am not sure that, even if you do become permanently bald, it will bother anyone but you.  Generally people will tell you it doesn't matter, you can wear a wig in public, etc.  Our group is for the days when we are really feeling sorry for ourselves, need someone to whine to, blah, blah LOL. 

    On the serious side we are doing lots of research on solutions, writing to researchers, trying to spread the awareness; and, gathering data on our group in hopes of finding some patterns.

    Concentrate on getting well and know that we are here for you should you need us.

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