Dictionary of BC Lingo?

cammy2
cammy2 Member Posts: 42

Hi - I was just diagnosed with ILC 4 days ago. Don't know too much else yet. Obviously very new to all of this.  As I am reading some of your helpful comments, it feels like a foreign language.  Is there someplace to learn what the terms mean?  oncotype? randomized? pleomorphic? (to name a few)  I guess I will become fluent in this new language - although I would have preferred to learn Italian! 

I am seeing a surgeon for the first time on Wed Oct 21st - any suggestions for a first appointment?  I am 52 yrs old. 

Thanks for your willingness to share.  I see some women are long time survivors - such a comfort to know.  Great of you to continue support new women just starting the journey. 

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  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited October 2009

    I just bumped the information you were asking for. Go under Active Topic and click on Abbreviations for newbies

  • cammy2
    cammy2 Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2009

    Thanks  seyla88- got it.  I am sure this will be helpful

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited October 2009

    At the beginning I was lost also. I still cant figure out everything.

    You're Welcome

    You came to the right place

  • Kleenex
    Kleenex Member Posts: 764
    edited October 2009

    Ahhhh, the magic of a breast cancer diagnosis: it's an invitation to become a specialist in an area of medicine you really don't want to know anything about. Because so often you have choices in treatment options, though, you pretty much have to start studying. Oh, sure, Italian would be FUN, but at this point, breast cancer lingo will not only be much more practical, but also you'll use it very frequently, hopefully just for a while...

    After that abbreviations lesson, breastcancer.org has some good information about treatments, etc., that are helpful. Do NOT linger over the list of possible side effects of anything like chemotherapy or Tamoxifen - I made that mistake early on, scaring myself to death late at night worrying about things that in the end I never experienced. Focus on local treatment - removing the cancer they have found. Then you can move on to Dr. Susan Love's "The Breast Book," which has a LOT of information. I found it to be very helpful.

    How big do they think your tumor is? Sometimes it's hard to figure out how large an ILC tumor is because of the way it can grow in "sheets." Mine was more of a concentrated globule, visible on ultrasound and MRI. Do they think it is in your lymph nodes? They check your lymph nodes to see if the cancer has made an attempt to leave the breast and go into the body. What is the surgeon suggesting? Are you a candidate for a lumpectomy, where they just take out the tumor and an area of tissue surrounding it, or do you have a larger tumor or multiple tumors, which might indicate that a mastectomy would be the first choice for surgery?

    One of the worst parts of the process for me was the "surgery selection process." I could've had a lumpectomy or even selected a bilateral mastectomy - my choice. It was so stressful: there was no definitive recommendation, and I didn't know how to choose. I did a lot of reading, after which I decided to start small and go for the lumpectomy. You can always have more surgery, but you can't put things back. The long-term survival and spread rates are the same for mastectomy OR lumpectomy with radiation.

    Before having surgery, I had appointments with a general surgeon, and then a breast surgeon. I also saw a plastic surgeon (to discuss the process if I ended up with a single or double mastectomy with reconstruction), and I visited with a medical oncologist. I also had breast MRI's, to determine if there was anything else in there, and a preoperative CT scan and a bone scan. It was a fun summer!

    Consider taking someone with you to see the surgeon. It can be stressful, and two heads are better than one for remembering details.

    Good luck to you!

    Coleen

  • kayakgirl
    kayakgirl Member Posts: 172
    edited October 2009

    Hi cammy

    Hugs to you, sorry about your diagnosis. My suggestions is to check breast cancer.org home pages for the newly diagnosed. Then write out your questions  and have boxes next to them to check off as you get answers. My first appoinment after the cancer was confirmed I actually had questions written out but I gave them to a friend that went with me and she made sure they were answered since I was an emotional wreck. Some suggestions I have is to bring a three ring binder with those clear plastic insert sheets. get a copy of all your tests, etc and place in binder. Also get a business card from each doctor, or health professional that you see and tape all to 1-2 pages. At the beginning you will be constantly filling out paperworkand this helps. later on if you just had a test at one doctor's and have the results like blood work or an EKG you don't have to get a duplicate test.

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited October 2009

    Hi cammy2,  Welcome.  You are at a very good web site for information and support.  I took a small digital recorder to meetings with doctors to help me remember what was said. (Good thing, too, as I was emotional and not able to remember much of anything.)  Having someone with you really helps, too.  I also got copies of every test report, every lab report, etc.  Something that might have helped me that I didn't have was someone to talk to who had been through it before.  My oncologist's office had a service called "breastfriends" where they would have someone  who had a similar diagnosis and was years out from treatment contact you. It would have helped to have someone like that to talk to.  I didn't find out about this until much later. Getting opinions from other surgeons, oncologists, and plastic surgeons helped me feel more confident in my treatment decisions.  I found that I needed to remember that it takes time for all the tests they need, I was feeling it took too long to start treatment.  I ended up having chemo, and it was done before my surgery. What you need varies depending on your diagnosis and stage.

    As you continue through the process of being diagnosed, you will have many questions.  You also may just want to share your feelings.  I remember my feelings were all over the place!  Please come here whenever you want help or to talk.  G 

  • cammy2
    cammy2 Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2009

    Wow - thanks for all the suggestions and support.  I think I will bring a notebook to the appt. like Agnes suggested - as I tend to be a mess with organizing paperwork.  I hope to have many more answers from Wed. appt.  After the surgeon appt, I meet with a Breast Care Coordinator who is supposed to be able to help with various resources (that I probably don't even know that I will need) The greatest news is that my friend who is one year out of a double mast and chemo is going to my appt with my husband and I.  It is such a comfort to know that her ears will be listening in case mine zone out and she will ask questions that I don't know to ask. 

    After I get more details , I can answer Gitane's ?s .  The only thing I know is the type is ILC.  I saw a large C shaped swath on the ultrasound - sort of back nearer the chest wall.  It looked like a paint brush stroke.  It was all confirmed in a Stereotactic Biopsy.  All the reports were forwarded to my primary doctor - who I just love and trust.  She said there is no question that she thought I should have a mastecomy.  Next I will hear what the surgeon thinks.  So I am just trying to chill for another day and a half until that first appt. 

     The same day I found out about the BC - a glass broke while I was washing dishes and I got a deep cut on my index finger that required stitches and a big splint.  I look like a We are #1 football fan!  Anyway - I have been getting empathy from strangers in restaurants , etc about my finger.  OOOOhh that looks painful, etc.  All I can think of is that my finger is the least of my problems and they have no idea.  Kind of a strange thing. 

     Well thanks again and I will fill in more abbreviations about my diagnosis after my appt. 

  • cammy2
    cammy2 Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2009

    Sorry for my error- most of the ?s were from Kleenex. 

     I haven't used any kleenex yet.. is that normal?  I feel like I am in a daze and that I am talking about someone else.  It still doesn't feel like this is MY story.

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited October 2009

    Hi cammy2....When they called me with my results I already knew the results gut feeling.

    Hang up the phone cried for a while, I was still in my nightgown. I took it off threw it in the garbage, took a long shower and cried some more. Then I put myself together. My daughters were still living with me I told them as they walked in it feels like a dream now.

    We all deal with stress differently. In my case sense of humor saved me and helped me to deal with my BC. Feel better with your finger.

    Hugs

    SheilaWink

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited October 2009

    Sorry about deleting my previous post I thought everything i wrote was about me.

    Whatever you do or not do is normal. We all deal differently. Please try not question yourself okay?. Yes it is a long journey but at the end you come out stronger. We are here for you.

    Hugs

    SheilaSmile

  • cammy2
    cammy2 Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2009

    Thanks Sheila -

    You're right - my normal might not be someone else's I guess.  I will just try to take it as it comes.  I suppose it will hit me at some point. I feel like I have been consoling others and worried about how THEY will take the news.

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited October 2009

    cammy.. That was exactly my issue. I was worried about my daughters, and i didn't want my friends , family treating me like you poor thing way. But I did threw away the night gown was wearing when I got the the phone call about the DX. Sometimes it gets overwhelming to calm the people around you. Its almost like you feel sorry for them that you got BC.

  • Kleenex
    Kleenex Member Posts: 764
    edited October 2009

    I learned that my biopsy was positive for cancer hours before we were to take a road trip to Florida to vacation with friends. Not much of a chance to do much crying, as people were around me all the time. I went through most of the appointments mentioned above without really doing more than sort of choking up a bit every now and then. Then there was the day that I had the CT scan and bone scan, with an appointment with the medical oncologist sandwiched between the scans. I had what a good friend from Tennessee called a "come-apart." I started crying mid-day (during the appointment with the oncologist), and I literally couldn't stop for several hours. It was just a big festival of weeping - a giant pity party where I cried over everything from the fact that I had big scary cancer all the way down to the fact that I didn't even want so much as an IV for twenty minutes, let alone surgery. It was actually quite helpful and cleansing, although trying to figure out how to go home to my girls (who didn't know about the diagnosis yet) when I couldn't stop crying was pretty awful.

    So it's possible that the logical side of your brain is absorbing information and making plans and protecting those around you, but at some point, I predict a "come-apart" in your future.

    You have a good sense of humor - the "We're #1!" finger reference is very funny - and I find that to be HUGELY helpful in this process.

  • cammy2
    cammy2 Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2009

    A "come-apart" - I love it!  Southerners seem to have a great way of capsulizing some of life's moments!  I can almost hear your friend's accent as I read the words. 

     Thanks for letting me know that my course on this is okay- I do imagine that I may have a similar delayed "come-apart" .  I just wish I could schedule it for a comvenient place and time!  I don't want to be the local news headline.."Woman in local Starbucks sips Non-fat Chai Latte and cries until store closing!" 

     Off to another day of pretending all is normal until I hve my first surgeon appt - 27 hours away. 

     Sheila - you are right on.. I feel a bit guilty that I have disrupted people's lives by my BC dx, (I am already starting to use abbreviations!) 

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited October 2009

    cammy... With that kind of SOH (you have to study this word lol ) it gets little easier to deal with everything. Don't ever lose that.

    One more think you can post only 4 times in 24 hour period, until you reach 50 posts.

    You can PM any one us if you wish there is no limit on that. I just wanted to tell you because you don't need unnecessary stress right now.

    Good luck and Hugs to you.

  • kim2005
    kim2005 Member Posts: 49
    edited October 2009

    Hi Cammy2,

    How did your appointent go today?  As I remember back nearly 4 years ago to that time, it is a whirlwind of activity and decisions.  As Kleenex has pointed out before, you are left to make decisions that you never thought you'd have to make on your own.  Do I do lumpectomy or mastectomy?  That may be the first of many decisions.  Reconstruction?  What type?  There will be many questions and somehow, the answers will and DO come to you.  You will know what feels right after you sit with it a bit.  And don't feel pressured to make any super quick decisions.  Most of the time, ILC tends to be a slow grower so if you take a few weeks to choose your surgery and surgeons, then so be it.  You'll be more confident with your decisions in the end.

    When I was first diagnosed, the doctor mentioned lumpectomy + rads.  Then they did the MRI and found another small area of concern so recommended mastectomy.  After complety sobbing for the next few days, I met with plastic surgeons and got my game plan on.  My breast surgeon removed my nipple and was able to do the mastectomy through this small incision (they did also make one very small incision-about a 1-inch straight line- in the upper area of my left breast that I can hardly see anymore).  I chose to use my latissimus (back) muscle with implants for reconstruction.  They used the skin from my back to recreate my nipple.  It all may sound horrendous and I'm sure at the time, I thought it did too. However, it really is beautiful work and I am quite amazed still at how nice the doctors made my new breast look.  Several months later they tattooed the new nipple and now (especially if I squint!) when I look in the mirror, my breasts look pretty symetrical.  The physical changes will pass and you will find yourself in a place of acceptance.  For me, the emotional healing took longer.  I kept asking "What the hell was that all about???"  I'm still asking it :)

  • cammy2
    cammy2 Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2009

    Hi all-

    Yes I did have my appts. yesterday.  Kim2005 - I am blown away that I have been in your thoughts to the point you remembered my appt!  What an amazing group of women this forum has! 

    I am also blessed with a dear survivor friend who went to my appt with my husband and I.  She feel like the universe has given me to her as her first "mission" in trying to help women going through this.  I think God put her by my side and I am thankful. 

    Met BS - reminded all of us of Sean Connery but with a S. African accent  Got an overall good feel from him.  Somehow I thought I would know more afterwards but I guesss I was being unrealistic.  Everything seems to hinge on the surgery and if there is lymph node invovlement. Right now I learned grade of cells is 1 - Yeah!  They are Hormone receptor positive - not sure how impt that is.  Can feel large area of thickening and saw a big feathery smear on the US - but the doc said only definite area he can confirm is about 2 cm.  Said not to count on that because can only know size once you are in the breast.  I know alot of ILB people on this site mentioned the same thing.   Lymph nodes feel ok to his touch but of course they will still do Sentinal biopsy.

    Should have surgery around Nov 15th- not firm yet.  Have to decide on single or bilat and then get all the players lined up.  Leaning toward bi-lat.  My (currently) unaffected breast is already scarred and deformed from an earlier benign surgical biopsy so I might just go for a fresh set and eliminate the walking around with fear of the cancer showing up on the other side. 

    Best news is I was able to get an appt next week with the PS that many people recommended - even another PS from a different hospital said to push for her.  Heard she is the best technician and a lovely lady.  Sounds like a winning combo to me. I will discuss the single/bilateral decision with her and also reconstruciton options.  You are right kim2005 - the different options using your own skin sound pretty awful.  How did you recover with surgery on your back and on your chest?  Could you even lean back on a pillow?  Sounds painful.  Are you trim or did you have extra weight tht they stretched?  I have an extra 25 lbs on me - so I imagine they could find plenty of flesh to use.  ALso think the idea of the stomach TRAM flap one with a built in tummy tuck sounds appealing in the long run - but it sounds like it would be a horrendous recovery.  Anyone out there have that?  I don't know if I am candidate - but I do know my PS is a microsurgeon so she can do any of them. On the stomach one- do they use your tummy fat or do you also still need implants?

     Had chest xray, ekg, blood work yesterday.  Today abdominal Ultrasound to check ovaries.  Next week oncologist appt, PS appt and then schedule the surgery. 

    Thanks again for the support and sharing your experiences.  CAM

  • Kleenex
    Kleenex Member Posts: 764
    edited October 2009

    Hi, Cammy2 -

    You are correct in that you don't really "know" anything until after the surgery. At the same time, it doesn't hurt to continue to learn more. Sounds like you have a great surgeon, and the PS sounds good as well - I have seen women on her complain that they weren't given "options" for reconstruction in some cases, as the doctor they saw only did tissue expanders and implants. You have a good collection of questions you're compiling - check out the Reconstruction thread for information and to ask questions. Also, somewhere I have a good website from when I was looking at the possibility of a bilateral - I'll try to find it again and post it for you. The PS I saw didn't think I had enough tummy fat to do a TRAM sort of surgery, although I certainly think there's enough there to whip up a breast or two! So far, I've just had the lumpectomy, but you never know what the future holds...

    I drove the medical oncologist I saw prior to surgery nuts with my questions. "What if it's 2 cm? What if it's bigger? What if the nodes are clear? What if they are not clear?" Etc. Sometimes 2 cm is considered the "cut off" between chemo and no chemo, by some oncologists, including the one I saw pre-surgery. As it turned out, with a 2.1 cm ILC tumor I did NOT get offered chemo as my Oncotype DX score was 11 and it was thought it would not benefit me. It would be good to ask the oncologist about this test. Hormone receptor positive is "good," in that they have anti-hormonal medication you can take that tests indicate will reduce your risk of recurrence and mets - Tamoxifen or one of the aromatase inhibitors, like Femara, etc. I hate surprises, so in my case I tried to anticipate and ask about everything...

    I also had a friend who'd been diagnosed about a year before me, with triple negative breast cancer. She had lumpectomy and radiation - and she even came with me a couple of times when I went for radiation and we'd have lunch afterward. SOOOO helpful! No one's experience is exactly the same, but how nice to have someone who understands the process and speaks the language!

    Coleen

  • kim2005
    kim2005 Member Posts: 49
    edited October 2009

    Hi Cammy2,

    You learned a lot yesterday and you'll learn even more when you meet with your PS.  I know friends of mine who chose a TRAM flap were happy with the final results, although the healing period is rougher initially.  Like Coleen said, you'll learn a lot by going to the reconstruction thread.  I was told I didn't have enough belly to do the surgery and that's why they used my LAT muscle.  This is pretty uncommon and yes, it was pretty uncomfortable to lay back for a few weeks, especially with the drains, but again, overall I think the physical healing was a small part of my journey.  It WAS the most traumatic when I was in it though as it was such a whirlwind of new information and decision making.  Take your time to digest it all and you'll know what the right choice is for yourself.

  • mymountain
    mymountain Member Posts: 184
    edited October 2009

    Hi Cammy,

    I am an ILC gal, had a R mast with DIEP reconstruction.  The DIEP (sometimes called free tram) is similar to the TRAM, but no abdominal muscle is compromised.  I saw three  ps, two told me I was not a canditate for TRAM (neither did DIEP surgery).  I believe it was the right choice for me, as I'm pretty active and was more worried about my skiing than my foob (ha, another abbreviation), so I was sure I wanted to keep my abdominal muscle. The TRAM and DIEP do not involve using implants, the "fat" from your abdomen is used.  The DIEP spares the abdominal muscle but is a more complex micro surgery and not too many doctors do them.  I was also sure that I wanted to keep the unaffected girl. The surgery and recovery were pretty tough, but my foob looks  good.  The abdominal incision is  huge (16 ") scar and is always tight, so I need to stretch it out every day. That was something I didn't expect..

     My suggestion is to get at least two opinions not only from plastic surgeons, but oncological or breast surgeons. There is so much information to digest in the beginning.  But take your time making this surgical decision.  You'll know what's right for you after gathering all the information and noodling on it for a while.

    PM me if you want any of the detail about the surgery, and I'll share what I know

    MM

  • Kleenex
    Kleenex Member Posts: 764
    edited October 2009

    Remember, I didn't have recon, but I looked into it briefly while considering a bilateral mastectomy. I'm sure there are other sites out there. Knowledge is power. Here are a couple I had bookmarked last fall:

    http://www.mdanderson.org/patient-and-cancer-information/cancer-information/cancer-topics/cancer-treatment/breast-reconstruction/index.html

    http://www.breastreconstruction.org/

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited October 2009

    Hi cammy2,  I had expanders with saline implants after my bilateral mastectomy (right breast was prophylactic for the same reason you stated).  I didn't have enough fat anywhere to do anything else.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not skinny or anything, just not a good candidate it seems.  Anyway, I posted because as it turns out I'm glad I had the reconstruction I had.  The results are good and the impact on my body was minimal compared to other options. You are fortunate to have such an experienced, close friend.  You are also fortunate in the professionals who are organizing and providing care.   Good luck with making your decisions. G.

  • cammy2
    cammy2 Member Posts: 42
    edited October 2009
    • Thanks for the links Kleenex and to all thanks for the sharing of all of your different reconstruction experiences and ideas..  I was able to get an oncology appt tomorrow and my PS is next week, so I will gather a lot more info. Gitane- I can't imagine that they couldn't find enough flesh on my chubby little body to make a couple boobs ..but I guess I will find out! Expanders and Saline implants do seem a lot less traumatic than using skin from another part of the body.  Thanks for sharing about your happy result with them.  Cammy

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