I'm (NOT F'*%$@#$) "OK"!

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  • thepinkbirdie
    thepinkbirdie Member Posts: 212
    edited October 2009
    This is such a great topic!I'm not so much bothered with the "how are you" as I am with the people who think I should be back up and ready to go when I'm done with chemo, etc.  Not long after I was diagnosed I had a guy tell me about a client of his whose wife had a history of breast cancer in her family.  She voluntarily had her breasts "replaced".  He tried to have me think that it was no big deal to have a mastectomy.  That the doctor would basically just cut me open, remove the tissue and replace it with fake ones.  Um...I guess he would have felt it was not a big deal if he had his family jewels sliced opened and replaced?I don't know.  Maybe he was just naive or thought he was trying to help me not be so freaked out over it all.Regardless of how I may be physically, there will always be the mental and emotional side effects of cancer. 
  • thepinkbirdie
    thepinkbirdie Member Posts: 212
    edited October 2009

    crap.  italics were not intended.

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited October 2009

    Man who turned 94 the other day - when asked how are you:   " I am still kicking, only not as high."

  • mymountain
    mymountain Member Posts: 184
    edited October 2009

    I just read the best line in the newspaper, "At any given time, any one of us is a day away from not recognizing life as we knew it just 24 hours before"  Now that's a reply!!!!

    MM

  • activern
    activern Member Posts: 409
    edited October 2009

    No offense Athena cause I feel the same way.  Puts me in the defense when asked the question.

  • London-Virginia
    London-Virginia Member Posts: 851
    edited October 2009

    Good point My Mountain - what desensitised me in this regard is all the different cafes and restaurants where I eat always ask how you are, and this actually helped me downscale things mentally. (this was just after surgery and none of these people knew I was ill).and insincere stuff as yet.  I haven't had any of the whiney type stuff; we are a bit more constrained over here but I am sure it will happen.

    I don't think any of us need to have cancer as our identity.

    good luck all -

  • annadou
    annadou Member Posts: 221
    edited October 2009

    Well said Virginia -I have downscaled things so much that I almost believe it was nothing more than a cold then when I think about it I get a shock all over again. In the cold light of the day I am still in denial even after going thru the treatment.There are only a very few people to whom I can talk as much as I want to and say my fears  the others are only for a 'Im fine' answer.

    What about the 'you must be positive' one ?Thats what really gets me.As if its going to make any difference.

    Wishing you all a pleasant evening

    Anna

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited October 2009

    There was a big long thread on Just Diagnosed - Be Positive!!!! (shuuut up!) 

    (Last post May 18, 2009)

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/5/topic/703925?page=10#idx_299

    You may be interested, Anna.

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited October 2009

    when I was in active treatment, I would say "It is really hard but I am being brave." I figured if you just say 'fine' it minimalizes it, and if you say it's hard, you don't look as strong as i wanted to. So I figured I covered both bases with that answer.

    Now that chemo and rads are done, I just say I'm doing great. For me, it is reinforcing, and the more I say it, the more it helps me stay strong and 'up.'  Of course I have my more vulnerable moments around family and close friends, but I don't like to show that side to acquaintences anyway. when people say I look great, I smile and say thank you. I figure it's not worth much more investment than that.

  • London-Virginia
    London-Virginia Member Posts: 851
    edited October 2009

    Hi Anna - I owe you a PM!  xxxxxxxx

    There is a lot of selfish tyranny behind "be positive".  For whom?  If at a given moment you feel really ill, what a bloody cheek for some to order you to be positive.

    I think this falls into the mode of it is very convenient for various people if you carry on doing all the things you have always done without complaint.   It is like a horse lugging a cart and dropping dead in the traces.  Why do so many women do this - is it all they think validates them as a human?

    Marie - I meant to say I thought you made some good points - thanks.

    Really, we are all entitled to say whatever works for the individual, but overall, little attention is paid to the psychological aspects of this thing.  Except possibly by students who want to use us as guinea pigs in their cut and paste degree essays.  Have the decency to go and meet people face to face why don't you.  Doh, too awkward, too much like work..........

    What is it with women that many of them  

  • lauri
    lauri Member Posts: 267
    edited October 2009

    Actually, I DO answer "I'm GREAT !!" -- because it has been 3-1/2 years and in comparison to 2006, I DO feel great. However, when asked "did they get it all ??" I only answer "I certainly hope so -- but nobody knows"

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited October 2009

    Sometimes all I can be positive about is that this sucks. I have told people that.

    What about the people who tell you you look great while you are in treatment and later say you look so much better? I really don't know what to say to them. I know they want me to feel better.Breast cancer treatment is brutal and barbaric and nobody who thinks she might get breast cancer wants to face that.I can accept clumsy attempts at comfort from those who love me but since this hae started some nurses drive me nuts. 

    Today I had a nurse ask me if chemo was reslly awful (one treatment is all she'd need to know the answer) and then tell me about her sister-in-law's cute wig, I wanted to scream that no matter how cute it was it wasn't her hair, but this woman was prepping me for a stomach scope and I was too nervous to be snotty. 

    Another nurse told me before I had chemo that her friend told it wasn't so bad except for the nausea,fatigue and mouth sores. And that was supposed to make me feel better sheeesh. She forgot to mention the bone pain, the bleeding hemmorhoids(sp), the Neulasts shots, well I don't have to go on. You all know what I mean.

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited October 2009

    Sure, chemo's not so bad if you're comparing it to, say, Hurricane Katrina.

    Sheesh is right.

    Leah

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited October 2009

    Thanks Leah.

    Please excuse all the typos in my last post. I'll blame it on the anesthesia I had for my stomach scope today. All is well in that area.

  • AussieSheila
    AussieSheila Member Posts: 647
    edited October 2009

    In a mall last week, ran into an acquaintance who likes to talk about people behind their backs, she opens with, "Hey Sheila, how are you, you're looking good."

    Me with arms crossed, rubbing upper arms, like I'm cold: "You think so? My bl&@dy arms hurt like hell, do they look funny to you?"

    Her, with a questioning look at my arms, "No, I don't think so, why?"

    Me, looking down at them, "Well . . . .all that swimming, you know, against the current."

    Her, standing back to look into my face, "Current . . .  . what current?

    Me, leaning towards her as if I was going to tell her a secret, "Yeah, you know . . . . . the current around the plug hole.  I'm not ready to get sucked down there yet!"

    Her, looking at me as if I had suddenly grown two heads, "Yeah, I know what you mean. Well. . I'd better be going, things to do you know!"

    I hope she now has a mental picture of what life is like on the BC merry-go-round. If she hasn't figured out what I meant, which is highly probable, she won't be telling others what I said in case she looks stupid.  Or. . . she will be telling them that I'm funny in the head these days, due to the BC.

    Oh well, you can't win them all!

    Sheila.

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited October 2009

    Love your reply MyMountain!

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited October 2009

    When anyone asks how I'm doing - I just respond I'm fine - thanks for asking.  Most of the people who ask me just ask to be polite - they want you to know that even though they are thinking about you and wish you well, they really don't want to hear anything more than that because they don't know what we all had to go through to get to the point where we are now.  Yes, they know that I had surgery, chemo and rads - my physical appearance tells them that.  But what they don't know is the emotional roller coaster we are all on and that is what they are scared to hear.

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited October 2009

    I had a supervisor who told me over and over "you gotta be positive or you won't get better'......So I told him "ok I'm positive....I'm positive I'll probably hve a recurrence and it scares me ****less!....."

    Nowadays I just tell people "I'm here and I'm on the right side of the dirt!"........

  • Bahons2
    Bahons2 Member Posts: 98
    edited October 2009

    I'm usually quite chuffed (= pleased) when people say I look well.  However, I often reply that it's amazing how well you can look when you're ill.  And feel.

    When people ask how I am, I often say 'So far, so good'. (Vague, but not totally untruthful)

    I often FEEL like saying 'Beating back the flames, as usual' (a fairly accurate description) - and occasionally do.

    Sometimes I point out that I have, through dint of frequent scans the advantage of knowing what's going on in my body, which is more than they have, ie hinting that we could all have nasties lurking inside us......naughty, but it makes people think a bit.

  • sueper13
    sueper13 Member Posts: 1,224
    edited October 2009

    LOVE this thread.  The whole time I was in treatment I answered the "HowAREyou, you look great!!" with the following words: "I am well."  It is proper English, so I turned into an affirmation--I figured it couldn't do me any harm to say it 25 or 50 times a day!

    "I am well."  I have continued to answer with this as I heal and look more normal. (Two (DIEP) boobs and some hair) I think it helps me.

  • mthomp2020
    mthomp2020 Member Posts: 1,959
    edited October 2009

    Sheila - brilliant reply!  I would have loved to see the look on her face!

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited October 2009
    There is a lot of selfish tyranny behind "be positive".  For whom? Very interesting question Virginia.
  • don23
    don23 Member Posts: 512
    edited October 2009

    I agree with Tami. I am so sick of hearing how strong I am. I had a BMX w/TE's and I get tired of hearing that at least I will have perky boobs! Little do they know what sacrifice comes with that. Although I am considered early stage it still scares the crap out of me - the unknown of it recurring. My family wants to believe this is all over and I should not be dwelling on it so much but I can't help it. For me, looking in the mirror every day is a constant reminder. Maybe once I get my implants thing will change. I sure hope so!

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited October 2009
    I was just resting (before driving off to radiation) and heard on the Jon Stewart show an interview with Barbara Ehrenreich about her recent book Bright-sided: How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America. I had not heard of her before but think she might be well worth reading. One of the things she talked about was how, when she had breast cancer, she kept being told "be positive"  and how she didn't really appreciate that. I thought it sort of relevant to this discussion. And I think I'd like to learn more about this interesting author!
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited October 2009

    I watched Ms Ehrenreich last night too and am definitely going to hunt for her book -- she thinks as I do!!!

    Positive thinking?  Bah! I have one sister who worries about everything (she's hard-wired that way), and another who sails through life relatively worry-free (she says, why waste energy by worrying?  What's going to happen, will happen...)  Both sisters had ovarian cancer -- the worrier was positive she was going to expire within a year of dx, and she's still going strong 14 years later!  The non-worrier is a 5-yr survivor and continues to be a happy camper.

    Athena, you're so right -- positive thinking doesn't control gene mutations!  And it's absolutely useless for worriers Tongue out

    Cheers, Linda

  • mrsb45
    mrsb45 Member Posts: 122
    edited October 2009

    I agree that most people mean well when asking but I called my PS today to book a follow-up appt. His secretary asks "so how are you doing ?" I said "pretty good most days: She replies "well you have to stay positive cause your lucky!!  #1 How am I LUCKY when I had a local recurrance after only 10-mos. and was told my chance of this was less than 1% after having 2 lump, 7-wks of rads and tamoxifen last year. This year had BMX (6/26/09) with recont and am currently due for #4 AC on 10/21 followed by taxol x 12-wks. I guess I'm fortunate all nodes were neg. but I've been dealing with this for almost 2-yrs. I try and stay active and positve but some people have no clue what you really go thru.

  • rosegomes
    rosegomes Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2009

    hi my name is rose and i had stage 6 triple negative bc did chemotherapy and radiation after mastectomy on right breast

    i don't think anyone will have a good answer because there is no good answer everything about bc is hard. good luck

  • Mandy1313
    Mandy1313 Member Posts: 1,692
    edited October 2009

    hollyann: I loved your retort..."I'm here and on the right side of the dirt."  I think I wil borrow it.

    Love this thread.

    Mandy

  • AStorm
    AStorm Member Posts: 1,429
    edited October 2009

    "Oh I only had "little cancer", not the "real" cancer... just breast cancer. I didn't even lose my hair. But I did have my breasts removed. THAT was a pretty bad day." There is something about those "glass half full" people looking at those of us who are holding the half empty (or bilaterally missing) glass, that makes us want to force them to know the most graphic and horrifying details of our ordeal. The only one of these people that really gets to me is my DH. I decided that BC Awareness Month should be a time to educate him.

    My DH doesn't want awareness. He never asks if I'm ok, just smiles at me. He couldn't take the day off work to drive me to the hospital for my 2nd surgery (bilateral mx). He did feed me while I was recovering but overall he has taken a Hear-no-evil-Speak-no-evil-See-no-evil approach: doesn't want to hear about it and changes the subject; didn't want me or my daughters to tell friends or family; doesn't want to see the battle scars. I don't want his pity but I resent that he doesn't understand the magnitude of what I'm going through.

    On a good day, I know that he cares but doesn't want to face the reality that I have to live in, and I appreciate that there is someone in my life who can look at me without thinking "cancer". And besides, one of us needs to be ok. I try to put most people who ask how I'm doing in this category -- just smile and say "great!".

    On a bad day I feel like he just doesn't get it. And I try not to talk to anyone. 

    On my worst day, the first day of BC Awareness Month, I informed (yelled at) him that "no, I'm not  okay." I was assaulted. And now I have to take a drug that may cause another type of cancer to reduce the risk or getting attacked again by the known enemy. And I have to worry about my daughters, sisters, neices, and every woman I know. I'm going to win this battle, but the war is not over and it never will be for me. Yes I am very fortunate to have been diagnosed so early and to not need chemo but it isn't just a stone in the road (as my Pathologist said when he gave me the diagnosis). I'm going to live my life but my perspective has changed. My parents died in their 60's (my mother had Alzheimer's and osteoporosis, likely related to cancer treatment). I know that I will be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my life but in all honesty, I've been looking over my shoulder for a long time. If I wans't, I wouldn't have been diagnosed at an early stage.

    So, how am I? Relieved to be cancer-free today. I like to say, "I'm cancer-free!" For me that sums it up. It is how I am this moment. It is my mantra. And if they really don't want to hear details, revisit my experience or understand my apprehensions, they can simply congratulate me and move on.

    And if DH doesn't get it by the end of BC Awareness Month, I may be forced to take drastic measures. Instead of a Halloween costume, I'll just flash him. Surprised  

  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited October 2009

    A Storm - go for it!  He needs the flash - it is part of who you are now whether he likes it/admits or not.

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