Refusing Tattoos?

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Does everybody get tattooed for rads?

Has anyone had a reaction to the ink? 

How many, how large are they?  (Positive node )

Anyone just say "hell no"? 

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  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited October 2009

    Since this is my second go round, I have two experiences. Both times I allowed the tattoos. This time (five years later) I see that the tattoos are way smaller and less obvious. Also, they used the previous ones as guides for another spot this time. It seems to me that they are kind of necessary or the radiation people won't know where to radiate. They aren't like real tattoos - just about four little dots here and there.

  • Texas357
    Texas357 Member Posts: 1,552
    edited October 2009

    I said no, and my radiation oncologist didn't blink an eye. They simply used Sharpee marks and covered them with a clear tape that stayed on the entire 6 week period. I am going through reconstruction, and decided that if I was going through all the trouble and pain to try to look as normal as possible, I certainly didn't want tattoos as a daily reminder. I'm fair skinned and even the tiniest would have been very apparent.

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited October 2009

    Mine were tiny and 3 years out....can't find 'em.

  • pj12
    pj12 Member Posts: 25,402
    edited October 2009

    Mine are smaller than all the freckles, moles, and hemangiomas I have!  I can find two of them in bright light but they are really tiny.  Actually, my therapists had such a hard time finding them I took to circling them with magic marker during treatment!  I don't think my husband has every noticed them.

     Pam 

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited October 2009

    Why would you refuse the tattoos?  I'm sorry but they are very minor in the scheme of things...there are more important things to worry about than freaking tattoos..

     I'm sorry to be a bitch about this but give me a break...I am really sorry...but they are absolutely nothing!   They are so tiny...and I have never had a tattoo before...and now I may have spiked hair for awhile at age 50..get me that Harley!

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited October 2009

    My experience is exactly the same as Lassie

  • QueenK
    QueenK Member Posts: 220
    edited October 2009

    Ohhh Titan, there was a three page thread a while back and someone else said the SAME thing.The OP wanted the hospital to pay for tattoo removal, poor gal felt like her life was ruined.I am not that vain.My tattoo marks are on the bigger side, then again so are my breasts LOL.

    In the grand scheme of things, there are much, much more things to worry about :)

  • Mandy1313
    Mandy1313 Member Posts: 1,692
    edited October 2009

    I did not have tattoos and it was no big deal. They used sharpee markers and clear tape over them.  They would check the marks about once a week....the computer shows them where to put the marks.


    Diagnosis: 7/2008, IDC, 1cm, Grade 1, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

  • linn56
    linn56 Member Posts: 210
    edited October 2009

    I thought about refusing the tattoos. They said it was my choice (well, the whole treatment is technically my choice, I suppose, not that it feels like it). But then I thought, what the heck. Compared to my 3 inch long incision and giant divot a couple of dots are not much. I am ghost white under my clothes so I think they will show a lot. But I think they are pretty small. Just got them, so I have scabs which must be larger than the final result will be.

    I have 3: one pretty much on my sternum., and one of each side of my body. I don't see how the one on the non-cancer side will help them line things up. Before I got these I thought they would make a triangle with the 3 dots around the area to be targeted.

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited October 2009

    Titan, you have to remember thst what's nothing to you is a big something to someone else. For a lot of women, it's just the ONE THING they can't stand.

    I did rads in a facility tht uses iodine lines that they renew as needed. You're there every day, so they are renewed before hey fade too much.

    That said, the facility does it since so many people were refusing tattoos. It's in Jerusalem, and Jewish law fobids tattooing. (The facility probably has the largest proportion of Orthodox Jewish patients in the world). Since rads CAN be done without tattoos, they are not permitted.

    Leah

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited October 2009

    Leah... know..I know..I was off base here...it just seems there are sooo many other decisions we have to make that tattoos..well I didn't even know I had a choice...didn't really care either.

    My BIG thing was refusing to get a port....and I didn't...so I should know where she is coming from..my apologies...

  • RunswithScissors
    RunswithScissors Member Posts: 323
    edited October 2009

    I asked for several reasons. I didn't really know what to expect as far as size.

    Titan, thanks for coming back with the new perspective.   I did get a port and the thing is a beast. It's located in a place that is constantly irritated by my bra strap and the seatbelt in my car. The scar is hideous - it looks way worse than my lumpectomy scar, and it's in a really visible area. It's a "power port" and the little nodules feel like they are poking holes through my skin. Up above the port, where it threads into the vein, I have constant aches in the neck.  I was so trusting when they suggested I get it -  and didn't ask enough questions before agreeing it!  I guess I'm  very punchy now about everything that they want to do to me. 

    I had heard the tattoo ink can have metals and that's one of my worst allergens. From what I understand, the ink allergy is not pleasant and it's quite a pain in the neck to get tattoo removed. 

     I think another part of it is just the compounding of "things" that we as patients are subjected to.  At first, you take it in stride, but as the list grows longer and longer, "things" seem bigger and bigger. Or that's what I'm experiencing, at least.  

    It also annoyed me because  they are certainly getting paid a fair wage for this rad therapy-  why should I get tattood so they can save $$ by not having to measure more than once?  Inconveniencing them isn't high on my list of concerns.

     Thanks to everyone for taking the time to answer. I think I'll say no even if for no other reason than it gives me a small sense of control in this very out-of-control situation. 

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited October 2009

    Heard so many bads things about ports (I know I'm talking off topic here)...but on the issue of the "team" getting paid enough..I just hoped that they would be able to "stick" me for each chemo..that they should know how to do it...having a port would have been easier for them but I just wasn't having it done! So..I got stuck 8 times..some of them were uncomfortable.....the sight of needles freaks me out now!

    You sound like you have researched the best you can about tattoos...and you have made the right decision...for YOU..and that is what counts..good luck with your rads...you will find them much easier than chemo..no needles, NO PORT...

  • Indomitable1
    Indomitable1 Member Posts: 253
    edited October 2009

    Shepherd- Thanks for initiating this discussion. I didn't even know that I had a choice in this.
    Yea, there are certainly so many things that we can't control in this journey! And don't even get me talking about ports.

    I should be starting rads in the next month or two. Thanks again.

  • Alcie1
    Alcie1 Member Posts: 68
    edited October 2009

    Shepherd -

    I refused tattoos too.  I was shown what they would look like and they were purple spots, not even all that small.  I felt they were a slap in the face, punishment, a label.  I took the 6 weeks of markers.  When one washed off they said, "Oh, we didn't need that one anyway."  In fact there were only 2 they really did need.  One of the unnecessary ones would have shown in a low blouse.

    There's no reason to have tattoos after rads.  There is no use for them if you have an accident or something, as I have often heard claimed.  Rads are not the same as a diagnostic x-ray, which you CAN have.  You can't have rads in the same place again, but the doc does have pictures. 

    Some women are proud of their marks.  I am not.  It's a personal matter.

  • MTG
    MTG Member Posts: 646
    edited October 2009

    Sorry I just saw this. Hope I'm not too late. I DID REFUSE TATTOOS. Pretty much said "Hell no" but I did it nicely and apologetically because I did realize that I was creating more work for an already hard working team.  It did kindof annoy my rad onc at first since I was also breaking with standard of care. I had marker drawn marks covered with clear tape cut into very tiny pieces just to cover the marks which are replaced each week or more frequently if needed. I took care of them. Am now almost 2/3 done (will be on Friday) and all worked well.  I think both the rad onc and techs actually got into the idea that we could vary SOC. The techs were amazing. They made a clear plastic template just in case I lost any of the marks. FYI, be careful with Aquaphor if you have tape since it removes the adhesive. Please feel free to IM me if you had any questions.

  • Sunone
    Sunone Member Posts: 151
    edited October 2009

    I just got my tatoos on Monday, they are really tiny. I decided to get them because if I ever need to have radiation on the other side, it is a guide for them to know where previous radiation was.

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited October 2009
    My tattoos are very, very tiny.  I am in the middle of recon, double lat flap with expanders.  The stretching & pulling of my skin, has moved the position of the tattoos.  It won't be a good guide to show areas of previous radiation, in my case.Undecided  
  • MTG
    MTG Member Posts: 646
    edited October 2009

    I'm with ymb.  Tattoos are definitely great for ease of treatment - no muss, no fuss and for many, many woman they are too tiny to even notice. But, realistically, the best guide for anyone to know where your radiation treatment was is your medical records.

  • Sunone
    Sunone Member Posts: 151
    edited October 2009
    Yes, I had a lumpectomy so no reconstruction that would move them. Thinking about that I guess if I had major weight loss or gain they could move too, of course hoping to always stay the weight I am Wink. So IF they stay where they are it is just extra guides for the future, that I hope never to need. 
  • sopris
    sopris Member Posts: 29
    edited October 2009

    I started rads this week.  I refused the tattoos.  Why mark my body up any more than the permanent scars I already bear from the lumpectomy?  I found out that at the Catholic hospital where my doc works you MUST get tats.  At the community hospital, they are optional.  Why?  NO REASON except for the convenience of the STAFF!  This BS about if you have radiation in the future is just that--BS!  My doc admitted that to me when she sheepishly told me I didn't have to have them because I had moved my treatment to the community hospital. 

  • LittleRed
    LittleRed Member Posts: 223
    edited October 2009

    Shepherd:

    I have 5 tattoos.  Didn't think about saying no.  They don't bother me - they're tiny and I have lots of freckles - they kind of blend in.

    I have a "power port" too - refer to it as my little alien - looks like it could pop out and bite someone...I'm going to see if it can be removed when I go in for reconstruction - I want to ask my plastic surgeon to close it up.  I know he would do a great job.

  • TammyMarie
    TammyMarie Member Posts: 37
    edited October 2009

    I am starting my radiation treatment this coming Thursday.  During the initial simulation I refused the permanent tattoos.  I did not want a constant reminder of my radiation days in the years to come.  Besides, some hospitals use permanent markers.  The doctor was ok with my decision.  At first he said it is necessary in the event I needed radation later on.  Then he said since I have both breasts radiated because I had lumpectomies on both sides, it didn't make a difference, unless I get secondary cancer in the spine.  I decided to take my chances.  The technician was not happy with my decision. However, he marked up my chest and sides and put clear tape over it. I asked if I could touch up the spots and was told "absolutely not."  I try not to wash it off when I shower.  I am not looking forward to the radiation treatments, but it will get me one step closer to being done with the process and being able to focus on potential reconstruction options for my lumpectomy mess.

  • NanaA
    NanaA Member Posts: 293
    edited October 2009

    I finished rads a couple weeks ago.  Having the 3 little spot tattoos was nothing.  What would have been worse for me was the sticky dots they could have put over the markers instead.  I had a colonoscopy and they put a sheet of this over my port during the surgery.  It left red marks for 3 days after only being on 30 minutes.  I can imagine what I would have looked like if I had had those on for days at a time. I would have been polka dotted said one of rad techs after I told her what happened.  Anytime they had to tape something down after that they used paper tape.  For me rads were easy in comparison to chemo.  I had skin breakdown under my arm and under my breast as I am large breasted, but took less than a week for them to heal. After boosts had a spot on my incision that broke down and the same thing, in less than a week it was healed over. I would gladly do radiation again if necessary.  They did tell me since they found some nodules on my lung that I could actually have rads again on the same side, fortunately the nodules are not cancer and don't have to worry about it.  I  guess things are changing about radiation all the time. Knowing I have done all I can is comforting to my family.  After finding out the nodules on my lungs were nothing (3 days after last rads) it was like a huge weight was gone and I could finally see the end of things.  Since I was her2+ I will still be doing herceptin until march, but other that a few test that go along with that I am done except for regular check ups.  Every 6 weeks with onc and one more CT scan after 3 months on the lung nodules to make sure they have not changed since they biopsied only one, and echocardiogram again in dec or Jan (every 3 months while on herceptin) and a lung function test every 6 weeks to make sure that has not changed with rads and herceptin.  All these things are easy compared to what this last year was like.  I am starting to have energy again and starting to do some of the volunteer work I did before bc.  I was able to work my part time job during all of this.  It has been a hard year, but it is nearly over.  A few tattoos were nothing in the big picture of things.  Annette

  • sakura73
    sakura73 Member Posts: 467
    edited October 2009

    I refused tattoos and it wasn't a problem. As far as I am concerned I have enough marks on my body (including port scars) and didn't want more when their purpose was to make things easier for those treating me rather than being an essential part of my treatment.

    I have had to have the stickers and pen marks redone a couple of times but it is not a big deal.

    I know in the scheme of things a few little tattoos don't seem a huge deal but for me it was important.  I have six marks and I am glad  that once radiation is done they will disappear rather than being with me permanently. 

  • MTG
    MTG Member Posts: 646
    edited October 2009

    I have 11 days left of rads and when I'm done the ink and stickers will go with it !  I'm quite happy about that. I'm also kindof surprised at how adamantly against opting out of tattoos many women are. (Then again, I'm not one to follow the crowd. Had I done chemo, I would have used cold caps to preserve at least a good part of my hair. And duirng rads I use diluted Apple Cider Vinegar to reduce skin reaction. To each their own...just dont tell me that I shouldn't do something that works for me !)

  • mimi1964
    mimi1964 Member Posts: 2,163
    edited December 2009

    I know this post is rather old, but, I didn't want the tattoo's and I wasn't given a choice.  I have 4 and I know where every little black dot is. I showed them to some of my co-workers and the two that are visible (one on my shoulder where my bra strap is and between my clevage on my sternum), they said look like blackheads!  Just what every women wants to hear!!! If I can find a doc to take them off and can afford it... they are so gone when my RADS are over!  For those of you that don't mind it is a personal choice, just like it is for those of us that didn't want them.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    I agree with the "compounding of things" mindset. I go for my Simulation next week, and it is my choice to have either tattoo or sharpie.

    I plan on having the sharpie. They check it every day and in my present state of mind I feel that my bald head, lumpectomy & SNB scars are enough brands for the moment.

    When this is all over I don't want any additional reminders, regardless of how small they may/could be.

    It certainly isn't vanity, that's for sure.

  • RunswithScissors
    RunswithScissors Member Posts: 323
    edited December 2009

    Hi, all, well, rads time has come and I did refuse those tatoos, after all.

    Not that it was easy! The tech gave me a REALLY  hard time about it. I'm glad we discussed it here and I had time to think about it - because if I wasn't prepared, he would have likely talked me into it - then I would've gotten  pissed at myself. Now I can just be po'd at him for being so pushy, and before I know it he and his tude will be forgotten.   

    I would like a nice hot soak in the tub about now - but I can't risk losing the tape and sharpie marks... I guess that gives me one more thing to look forward to when this is over! 

     

  • desdemona222b
    desdemona222b Member Posts: 776
    edited December 2009

    Hi, Pill -

    I didn't get the tatoos, either.  Another tip - don't let them place tape there, either, which is what they tried to do at first when I refused the tats, because that stuff will TEAR YOUR SKIN UP if you experience any kind of skin reaction at all.  They marked me with markers every time they did the therapy - takes about two extra minutes.  Absolutely no one told me they were necessary just in case I ever had to have rads again - they keep those records so why would the tats be necessary?

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