33 years old, no family history, shocked at diagnosis
I was recently diagnosed with IDC grade III. Initially I was given a surgical biopsy, with the results returning 1.8 cm grade 3 ER+, and at this time that's about all I know. The doctors here (I am waiting for my referral to MD Anderson in Houston, TX, as I am only an hour away) immediately recommended a modified radical. They said that the dye test would be of no help because of the location of the tumor -- up into my Axilla and of course nestled in with those lymph nodes -- that the dye would "flood all the nodes giving a false reading." The doctors have no officially staged my cancer as there has not been a sample or biopsy of my lymph nodes taken. The surgeon did say, however, that in his experience and opinion that it is HIGHLY likely that it has spread to more than one lymph node.
I guess my question here is is there anyone out there that was able to save their breast? Do most women with this DX have a modified radical? Anyone been treated at MD Anderson and what were the results there? Should I hav especific concerns because of my young age regarding hormone therapy, etc. Is Chemotherapy a must?
I am a young with two small girls -- ages 11 and 8, athletic, active, and in a very busy career. I am worried about my kids' emotional health, my job, -- so many things! Should I have the other breast removed because there might be a risk of recurrence AND so that my breasts will "match" with reconstruction?
Any advice is wanted. I am reeling from this diagnosis. My Ob/Gyn, family doctor, AND surgeon all just assumed it was an inflamed lymph node.
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I don't have an answer to your question. However, I understand your being shocked at your diagnosis. I describe it as being the emotional equivalent of being hit by a truck. Completely blown away. I know how you feel there. Good luck to you and I wish you strength in your fight.
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It is shocking, like a punch in the gut isn't it? I don't have any knowledge about MD Anderson, but I would go if you felt you had to. I am in SA and was fortunate enough to have a sister that is an oncology nurse, so when she heard of the diagnosis and talked with her bosses, they recommended an oncologist while I was in with another one. When I told them the name, they told me to grab my scans and RUN out of the office.
I was 30 when I was diagnosed, with 4 small children and in a wonderful career. almost 2 yrs later, I still have my wonderful 4 small children and a more wonderful career. I HAVE to take one day at a time, somedays are better than others but I am blessed to be alive. I had stage IIIC on diagnosis and later found to have 1 brain met. I am currently in remission and plan on staying that way for about 40+ years!
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I'm so sorry you got this bad news. Though I was 43 when I was diagnosed, I felt the same way...busy career, two kids, healthy, no family history. It is terribly shocking to hear.
I can't give you any specific advice about your diagnosis, but can tell you these things. Wait until you have your pathology report back and any other tests that your doctors might do, PET Scan, MRI, etc before you make any decisions. Also, make sure you are comfortable with your doctors. If your doctor is not giving you the answers that you would like, go get another opinion. I went to 3 oncologists and 3 surgeons before I made my decision to have a lumpectomy.
The chemo question is a tough one. Not everyone does chemo but it really depends on the specifics of your diagnosis and treatment, the stage and grade that your pathology report shows and your doctor. For you at 33, you will definitely want to talk to your doctor about menopause especially given you are ER+.
As far as your job goes, though cancer is a devastating diagnosis, many people continue to work through treatment (I did it with a few days off here and there for chemo and a slightly altered work schedule during radiation treatments). Some people find that they cannot concentrate on work, and some people find that they need work so that they have something else to focus on.
Best of luck and hang in there.
Tracy
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Hi LRAllen. I am so sorry to hear about your new diagnosis. I echo the previous posts. I likened my surprise of bc after my baseline mammo (with no lumps or issues or even any reason to go get a mammo except the obgyn said "why not") and someone clubbing me with a tree! I was shocked and unable to make any decisions for two days at least.
It is a very personal decision to keep or not keep one or both breasts or go for the lumpectomy (if the surgeon gives you choices). I would definitely listen to your doctors collectively as they have the experience and are looking at all your path reports. But one thing I learned after getting a lumpectomy is that my "lump" breast is a full size smaller than the other one. Also, my incision is near the nipple which caused it to pinch and turn sideways which is really dorky to say the least. And the incision is 4" long concave like a ditch. Aesthetically, I would have chosen to do a double mx and reconstruct because now I'm way more self concious with the way it looks. Also, I would have chosen both removed even though I had bc in only one because I am nervous about getting another bc, so with my busy life, I dont want to have to deal with it all the time. (I have 4 kids and am 37 years old with a wonderful career) I am going to go back and remove both as soon as I'm healed from radiation.
Hope it helps a little?
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Hi,
I am so sorry to hear of your dx. I would advise getting an opinion form more than one oncologist before making any decisions. make sure that you are also consulting with a Plastic Surgeon who is experienced in breast reconstruction prior to any mastectomy decisions. There are many options out there and it is possible that you are not in as dire a situation as you suspect. I was advised to have a mastectomy immediately by one surgeon, But after discussion with a breast oncology surgeon and a breast recon PS, I was told I had a few months to consider my options. In the meantime, I had chemotherapy to shrink my tumor and resolve the cancer in my sub pectoral lymph node.
Do not do anything rash and do your research thoroughly.
C
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Hi,
I cannot give much advice right now as I am scheduled for a mastectomy in October.
I was diagnosed at age 43 and have 4 children ages 4-13.
I just wanted to give you support and have you know that we are all here for you.
Hugs,
Ang
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I cannot believe how many young moms there are out here in the same situation! It is so disturbing, and the more I network, the more I recoginize there are a lot of us young woman who are healthy otherwise who get side swiped by this diagnosis. So, like so many woman have said, I am sorry to hear about your diagnosis.... let us share our experiences to let you know you are not alone. I was diagnosed at 36 with 2 young children, and I was a grade 3, also... this is a tricky situaiton as it means our cancer is aggressive and we need to attack it aggressively to get rid of it. You need to fight it hard, knock it out so it will never come back... so, if you find through your pathology report it is invasive cancer, most likely you will be going through chemo... this sounds so scary, we know, but know chemo is manageable, you can get through it! We are here as survivors to share our news and let you know you are not alone!
Best of luck, thinking of you!
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Hello - really sorry you are having to deal with this awful shovck - the good thing about coming here is that all of us have had this experience too and we know that it is like going into shock repeatedly for a while after you are diagnosed. It does get better after a while.
I am grade 3, IDC too. IT is scary to hear Grade 3, but after you have been researching and learning, you will find that this disease is pretty complex and being Grade 3 isn't the worst thing in the world - don't let it worry you too much.
IT is good to have choices and maybe more than one opinion. As for the type of operation, because I am big chested, my surgeon did a lumpectomy and then breast reduction on both sides so things match. This is a fantastic op but fairly unusual in the US as far as I can tell (I am in London). IT may not be appropriate for you, but I have recently been corresponding with another lady who has opted for this.
Chemo induces a terrible fear in people. I am currently a third of my way through a course of something called FEC. IT isn't lovely but it certainly is more doable than I would have thought a few months ago. It can get great results, and some people have it prior to surgery to shrink tumors, which works very well. IT is sometimes possible to save your hair by using some things called Penguin or Cold Caps (there is a thread on thise site that discusses this). They are unusual in the USA (you would need to buy your own but I gather they aren't too expensive); in England we use them a lot - they work for me, though my hair has certainly thinned.
Like you, I have a career to consider. I do chemo on a Friday, once every 3 weeks. I could certainly go to the office on the Tuesday (I wouldn't feel great but could hack it). I could certainly work from home on the Monday. It isn't a fun experience but it doesn't hurt and I haven't been sick because the meds prevent that. IF you can take a deep breath and try to develope as sort of open mind about doing chemo, you' find a place of more calmness should you have to do it. Also, on this Board there is a monthly group for people doing chemo, so there is much support.
There is a bit of a learning curve and it takes a while to get to know your way around this Board, and finding sources of info that help you.
You could also google places such as Sloan Kettering, and Johns Hopkins sites as there is good info on there too. It is worth researching the informational parts of this Board too.
Once more, I am so sorry you have to be here, but wish you the very best of luck for the future -
warmest regards
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I see you are recently diagnosed as well, and you have a very young one! Yes, being hit by a truck -- that's a good way to put it. Except that every morning when I wake up it just keeps hitting me!
I wonder when I'll finally wake up one morning and just be ok with reality?
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It was encouraging to hear of your remission, given your state and brain met! One day at a time, to say the least! Thanks for the info. I have many nurse friends that have been a great help -- but darn the luck, none that are oncology nurses! LOL
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Thanks for the support!
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Thanks to everyone that replied to my initial post. It gives me much encouragement to know that there are other young moms out there that are going through this too. I will update as soon as I've seen my oncologist and surgeon at MD Anderson and have decided on a plan of action. I'll be glad when I'm able to make a decision.
The waiting makes me crazy. Now I feel like I'm just walking around with Cancer. I don't like that so much.!
Thanks again to everyone!
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Hi LRAllenM12, i too have been diagnosed with breast cancer at an early age(31yrs old) and have 2 young girls(cali almost 4 and Ella 2). I found a lump in my breast in the middle of July 09' and went to my doc immediately! I had all the tests, mammo, ultrasound and they were still worried, so i decided to have a lumpectomy and just have it out. My doc said it looked benign, but would have it tested. It ended up being CANCER! I was visiting my best friend in Colorado when my husband called with the news....i was shock and numb to say the very least! I considered myself quite healthy and i do not have a history of this in my family. I had a good 5 days of complete meltdown and could not stop crying. My husband(who is a wonderful man) and i went to talk to my surgeon to get the full info. I already knew in my heart, that i was going to opt for a bilateral mastectomy with reconstruction. I have small boobs anyways, and they have never been one of my best assets so it wasn't a difficult decision for me. My doc informed me that, radiation on the infected area of the breast works just as well, but for me, the worry of it returning would be so much less to just be done with them! I went to a plastic surgeon who showed me before and after pictures and was pleased(and will also be getting the a bit bigger!). I had a blood test that came back good(meaning my other organs are working good and show no sign of cancer) but i am still super worried about my lymphnodes. I have my bilateral mastectomy this thurs with reconstruction at the same time. They will also be checking my lymphnodes too, so this will be (i am assuming) the time they tell me what stage. I am expecting the worst and hoping for the best and that's about all i can do at the moment! Stay strong....at least try to!
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shanny...I'll be thinking/praying for you for Thursday's surgery! keep us posted!
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Shanny -- good luck with your surgery! What recon procedure did you decide on?
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Lisa, I'm sorry about your diagnosis. I too am a 33 year old mom dealing with stage II breast cancer. My tumor was also 1.8 centimeters and ER+. I opted for the mastectomy because the MRI had estimated the tumor at 4.5 centimeters. Not sure if I would have done things differently had I known the true size but I believe it happened the way it did for a reason. Sending good thoughts your way.
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Lauren,
Hindsight is always 20 20... with this said, I asked for a mastectomy and the dr's assured me that a lumpectomy followed by a reexcision (first surgery did not clear the margins) was adequate. I had my first mammo, no issue... then I got some red and heavy feeling in my chest.... FLIPPED OUT thinking recurrence... to find out it was an infection! URG! Not so fun, either... so they now sent me for an MRI and they now want to ultrasound the area to make sure the infection is gone... so part of me says, if I just started OVER, I would not have to fear mammo/ MRI results... I hope I can let my anxiety go as time goes on, but for now,.. each test I am completely freaked out until I get the results!
So, what I am saying is, having a mastectomy is not such a bad option in the long scheme of things!
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Lauren:
I'm guessing with your 4/19 nodes that you had to have chemo? How's that going? What about your reconstruction?
Sounds like we are in very similar boats!
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Oh no! I am not ok with infection! I've already had some problem with my initial surgical biopsy incision -- which was basically under my arm -- it hasn't wanted to heal, but I think it's just about there.
I think I've accepted the mastectomy -- I just have to get used to not having a breast for 6 months.
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Decision made! I was waiting for a referral to the Houston MD Anderson, but they were telling me two months before I could even get in for a referral. My physical and mental health couldn't wait that long, so my surgeon here, whom I was able to call at home yesterday evening, turned around and called my plastic surgeon at home as well, and I go in today or tomorrow to plastics to get my expander ordered and then the surgery is next week. After the pathology comes back (as I've mentioned, my nodes have not been tested yet,) then I'll go see the oncologist to find out what his suggested course of treatment will be. The surgeon told me that it would be impossible for it not to be in my nodes however -- the tumor was sitting in my axilla.
I'll update when I know my exact sx day.
Thanks for all the good thought!
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Good luck Lisa!
I was also 33 at dx, with no family history. Quite a shock! My docs told me I would have to have chemo regardless of the pathology due to my age. Apparently cancers in younger women are usually more aggressive. I had a lumpectomy with SNB, then a reexcision with a full axillary node dissection, as it had spread. My tumor was also close to the axilla, and 1.8cm. If I had to do it all over again, I would have opted for a bilat MX w/recon, but I had to make decisions so quickly and had little time to research. Waiting is definitely the scariest part!
Now I am through with chemo (6 rounds of TAC - not pleasant, but you get through it), 34 rounds of radiation, and starting Tamoxifen. Count on 8months - 1 year before your life gets back to normal. I did manage to work the entire way through chemo/rads. I would go in for chemo on a Friday and go back to work the following Tuesday. If your employers are flexible, work shouldn't be a problem.
Hope everything goes well!
Janine
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Yes, I am in the process of doing TAC chemo. I have 4 down, 2 to go and my next one is tomorrow. Each one has been a little different for me side effects wise. The first one was definitely the worst. The Nulasta shot has been rough on me too but so far it's worked really well so I'm thankful for that. I'll have radiation once chemo is done but I'm not sure how many rounds. Probably starting in early November I'm guessing.
I had my reconstruction at the same time as my mastectomy. Anesthesia makes me anxious so I was glad to have both done in one day. I did only one breast because I have a 2 year old son and felt that the recovery would be quicker this way. My plastic surgeon will "match" the other breast when I go in the exchange my implant, but for now I'm a little lopsided. I also had a port put in before I started chemo. It's annoying but I'm glad I did it.
I would highly recommend physical therapy after having the nodes taken out. I can't tell you how much it helped me. I had my full range of motion back within 3 weeks of starting outpatient therapy. It was amazing, after weeks of "guarding" my arm and feeling like I was never going to be normal again.
Good luck to you! PM me if you want to chat
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Nicole---I got the lumpectomy/rads at the recommendation of surgeon, but I am going back in October to tell him I still want to get a double mx. Like you I am nervous about getting reoccurences or new cancers, so I dont care what they say, I'm still getting them done.
JDEKing--My surgeon told me if anyone tried to give me chemo to run away and call him and he would refer me to someone new. So far, no one offered it to me (I'm 37), but I was ready and willing to do EVERYTHING, including chemo. I really hope that they made the right choice in not getting chemo. I'm just getting rads and had a lumpectomy. (Yikes!)
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Just hopping back to the infection - I too had a bad time with this. A fantastic wound healer and skin grower is Honey Dressings (they are made by Activon in the UK, but another firm makes them in the ""USA). It is trult amazing how quicly a nasy wound can heal AND grow new skin with the use of these honey dressings. My dressings nurse is now my heroine!!
Just a sueful thing to share.........
Good luck to everyone here -xxxxxx
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I had 2 tumors each 1cm and in the same area & 4/12 positive lymph nodes no mets. I had a lumpectomy because the chance of recurrence was the same as if I had a mastectomy. My scar is about 1" and hardly noticeable, my breasts look identical and I have feeling in my nipple. I finished chemo in April & radiation in June & am on Herceptin til the end of the year & Arimidex for 5 years. I worked throughout my treatment (but was lucky to not have to set an alarm, just went in when I woke & left when I was tired!) I am happy about my decision to keep my breast, especially because of the complications my friend has been having for over 2 months since her mastectomy with immediate reconstruction. If I ever need to have my breasts removed, I would opt for spacers & implants. I feel 100% healthy & have total trust in my doctors. You can live an almost normal life through treatment & can be 100% healthy afterwards. Good luck in your decision!
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First off, ladies, I am so happy we get to share our experiences! When I first got diagnosed, I thought cancer is cancer... and with that I thought the worst! All you hear are the horror stories with people and cancer... but since I have been diagnosed and I have had an opportunity to educate myself, I have learned that we will live happy, healthy lives for many years to come with boobs or without them
In my instance, lopsided at best! I am coming up on my one year post chemo and I have to say, my energy feels wonderful, I fell sooo healthy! I have had a few health scares with the same breast, not with recurrence but that infection I was mentioning. I literally had to have the infection aspirated out while the ultrasound guided it, my infection is a deep tissue infection. Urgh, but I am grateful as it is treatable!
In regards to my hair, well this is a different issue. I just feel it so unfair that we have to go through so much and we also have to throw vanity out the window for a while. My hair is coming in sooo curly, I do not have a "hairstyle" so to speak, I just clip back the curls away from my face! I contemplated extensions but opted not to do it as I did not want to damage my new hair! (My profile pic is with my hat wig:)
So physically, I walk with my baby every night and I try to stay positive. I have to admit, it is sometimes easier said than done. I will say, one year post treatment, thinking about cancer does not consume my day anymore! I will always be reminded I am a survivor but my fear over this year has subsided!
So, cheers to us ladies, and a lifelong of happiness, boobless or not
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I was 33 at diagnosis in November, no family history. My cancer was grade 3 and ER+ as well. I think young women often have aggressive tumours. I have a 4 yr old girl and 6 yr old boy and it was not an easy year for them to see their mom get chemo and lose my hair and have a mastectomy. I chose to have a mastectomy instead of a lumpectomy and am so glad I did. I had a few areas of DCIS in the breast as well that they would have never known about, didn't show up on mammogram. As well, I had cancer on the left side and doc said he wouldn't recommend lumpectomy as much as mastectomy because then I would need radiation over my heart area and he felt concerned about that since I am so young. Yes, it was certainly a year from hell but I feel stronger for it, and it's certainly a mountain you can climb. All the best to you and whatever decision you make for treatment, will be the right decision for YOU. Get as many facts as you can, ask as many questions as you can. Good luck.
Jill
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Hi LRALLEN,
It sounds as if you are in very good hands with your local doctors. Yes, MD Anderson is the Taj Mahal of cancer care but I bet your doctors go there for their CME (continuing medical education) and have access to all the latest research and info and consultation. And I don't think you can beat the benefit of a personal relationship with your doctor.
I almost decided to go to the Mayo Clinic, a trip of 75 miles one way. Decided to stay local. I was SOOOO glad when I realized how traveling that far for treatment would have consumed my life.
hugs and love.
Pam
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Nicole your positivity is contageous! Just what I needed today, thank you! I also LOVE the hat with hair. Where did you get it? I absolutely hate my wig and have wearing hair headbands under hats but I'd love to get one that was combined.
Jilly, I never even thought about the fact that my radiation is going to be over my heart most likely. Certainly something to ask when I meet with the radiation oncologist. So thanks for mentioning it. I'm wondering if they will target the area where the nodes were instead. But I do plan to ask.
Lisa, how are you doing? I totally agree with Pam, I know the doctors in this area are all in contact with each other.
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Im 35, no kids, no history. They thought for sure that Id have positive lymphnodes bc size and grade but nope, not one. My tumor was 2.5 and grade 3. Once its out and they test the lymphnodes, and get all tests back, then they dx you and you get full pathology. You still have to go for a bone scan anda CT scan to ensure its nowhere else which also affects the stage. I didn't follow why you need to have all the nodes out. Id get a second opinion on that bc of lymphoademia down the road.
hang in there. you are just starting the process. It does get better. Have you decided on chemo and which? I opted for the strongest bc of my age. I had four opinions from columbia, johns hopkins, morristown and somewhere in NC (thru a friend). I did DD AC - every two weeks for eight weeks total and taxol/herceptin after the AC weekly for twelve weeks. Im on tx4 taxol and Im doing pretty good. But the DD was tough bc they give you a neulasta shot to increase your white blood cells. If I did it again, Id switch to every three weeks bc that just destroyed me for days. ts all personal decisions and in the coming days you will be making very tough decisions. I did a lumpectomy and in the middle of treatment freaked out thinking it was the wrong decision but now Im good with it. I also opted for a port to make it easier to administer the chemo (if you do chemo). Losing the hair sucks but compared to other possibilites it really only has a hold on you for a bit. Mine was past my bra and then I cut it anddonated it to wigs for kids. Had an adorable audree hepburn cut. Then it started coming out on day 18 so my husband buzzed it but left side burns (rec this), I just wish we left some in the back of my neck too.
Glad you have children, we were just married and planning to start right after the wedding. Fortunately we were told about fertility being an issue beforehand.
All I can say is research the hell out of everything - every option, get smart on this disease which you prob didn't know to the nth degree about prior to dx (since like me, no family history). Learn statistics - relative vs actual. Ask for copies of the clinical trials and if you have any questions ask them now. Don't wait bc once you have the first and second sit down w/ the onc they tend to dissappear bc they are unfortunatley so busy.
Lots of luck to you!!!!! YOU WILL GET THRU IT and check the boards, they were my saving grace in the beginning. There are lots of informaitons to learn on here. I swap btwn Natural Girls and July Chemo (since I started in chemo in July). ..and pretty much everything in between.
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yes, it's worth asking about the heart issue. One surgeon told me he would do either lumpectomy or mastectomy and either one is the same as far as outcome....but my 'second opinion' surgeon said no, it's not the same thing at all, because at 33 you have a lot of years ahead of you to possibly get heart failure from radiation over your heart area whereas if you were 75 you may not care as much, because if you develop heart failure down the road you are much older. I didn't ask anymore on the issue, so I don't know what the risk is, or if it's pretty minimal, but it helped with my decision of getting the mastectomy.
Another thing to consider, I went with mastectomy because I wanted both sides to look the same, and I am getting a skin-sparing mastectomy on the other side and both reconstructed at the same time. I've had 2 kids and I am not going to have one boob up in the air and one down to my belly button one day lol. So, part of the issue was vanity, but I really am scared of getting cancer on the other side, and I personally know I would have peace of mind getting the other side done.
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