Canadian Health Care

Helen -- I see that a lot of Stage III women are on Zometa -- I think it is part of a clinical trial -- is there any way you can get it that way?

Well that sucks.  Once again, the bullies win.  Instead of penalizing the "report" abusers, the rest of us are penalized by having the entire threads removed.  Bad decision IMHO.

I'm just shaking my head.....  .  I don't get it.  I too see it that the bullies have won - their actions have been reinforced and all the others who were trying to have a civil discussion have been penalized.

I must say that I learned a lot about health care in the US and other countries from those threads.  I also learned a lot about human nature too.

Konakat,

I agree with you.  That is why I wish the moderators had restored the posts that should not have been reported  and deleted.  Ahh well, maybe this time it will be different. 

Linda, you can send a PM to Moderators_Tami-Melissa.  It's now just Melissa, but Tami still appears in the "member name."

I just find it depressing.  There were more than 500 posts in that "Healthcare in other countries" thread, probably 1000 by today -- that's a lot of thought and writing.  I find it infantilizing that the prescription is to "be polite."  I try very hard to keep a moderate tone, "a civil tongue in my head" -- LOL, a civil tongue in my fingertips on the keyboard, I guess! -- and yet we're all adults with opinions, and I don't see what's so wrong about expressing opinions forcefully...

(I mean, especially when those opinions are correct, LOL! )

Your neighbor to the south,

Ann

Dear Pretty, "Human nature" Boy did you get that one right!

Being a moderator must be a thankless task.  But this "removed by the community" while initially useful for spammers has now become a political tactic.  Before we had to report this post or somehting like that and I'm sure it was a pain for them, much easier to turn it over to the community.  But they claim that the community is in excess of 60,000 so why should 5 have censorship power (that would be less than .001 percent)?  I think if 10%, that is 6,000 report the post, then it should be deleted.  If 5 report it then it should be looked at, and the reporters too.

I joined the thread that Coonie started (Amercian Healthcare vs Other Countries) as she is my bud from a couple other threads. She backed out pretty quickly as it heated up fast! I stopped posting in late July (I think). We even talked about this thread in our August Canadian Get Together! It just got too political. The original thread wanted info on other country's healthcare systems. We gave it. Then we all got slammed down and it became a "You are lying" and an "I hate Obama" thread. Very scary. Very cultish. You can see how it starts! I even mentioned in one post that perhaps it was Coonies use of the word "vs" that made it a hot button for people posting.

I think that if you are reporting a post, it should immediately take you to the window that I am typing in right now. To report a post, you have to say why. Then your post will start off with your avatar and screen name....IMHO. (even if you won't say why, at least your name/avatar is shown)

Sorry to butt in on your thread, but I feel like I can't let that kk... comment stand unchallenged.  I doubt that you would have used that term if you understood how very emotionally charged it is.  Yes, some people disagree strongly with the current administration's stands on a variety of issues.  Nearly half the country voted for McCain for president.  That doesn't mean that they deserve to be compared to murderers any more than the people who disagreed with our last president.

I absolutely agree that anyone reporting a post should be identified, and possibly publicly state the reason that the post is being reported so the originaly poster might be able to correct the issue even before the moderators get to it (especially over a weekend). 

That thread has been given a fresh start, even though the vs. is still in the title, and hopefully  it will be more welcoming to the whole world. 

I agree, reasons for deleting a post should be made public.  Not only does deletion cause distress to the posters, it deletes valuable information. Even though some may find that information to be offensive, it is of value, if even one person learns something from it. If we all knew the same information and we all felt the same way about everything, than people wouldn't be logging in to gather and research breast cancer. For example, what I may find helpful, comforting etc, may in fact be offensive to someone else. But that's like saying just because I like my bagel toasted and only eat the top half, doesn't mean that it's wrong for someone else to like their bagel untoasted, does it??

That said, I know from personal experience that deleting posts causes dissension in the group and can make people stop posting. I used to post in a newsgroup for dogs. In replying to someone's thread asking where they could adopt a dog, I mentioned a website that strictly deals with dogs who are in "kill shelters" and each has a picture, info and includes the anticipated date of euthansia". Someone obviously found it offensive, it was reported, the thread was deleted, and several us of posted that we were leaving the group because we now realized that someone in the group obviously was not a dog lover. I mean  . . . seriously, who else would report my post?? We all left in April and have never been back. Each of us added value to that group, even if just one person learned something. The moderators never answered any of us as to why my post was deleted. Had they, we may have had the opportunity to make our case. Instead, we just left.

Gee Mantra! I think your dog link should have been at the top of the list to adopt dogs! What a better way to save a fur baby's life?

I was offended on that "other" thread when someone said they should change the name of the White House..... When it started to go that way I dropped out. Not polical anymore, just racist. (And thus my original comment above.)

Dropping in to let y'all know I survived my bilat mx & diep.  My PS is an artist, with a gift from    G-d.  I had 4 wonderful nurses without whom I doubt I'd have survived.

Had I known our system was this bad I'd have gone with another partial mast. My hospital stay was a gong show, my room not cleaned once and I was on a 'sterile' ward.  My IV pump was broken and my poor nurses were on the run the whole time.  The problem is administrative.  Our front line people should have the right tools to do their jobs.  I can't say enough good about the doc's and nurses, bless them.  I got home to find out Home Care 'were too busy to come'.  My children have been taking care of me, I can't imagine how it would be without them here.

What happened?  We used to have top quality healthcare.  I've previously had 2 partial mast and had wonderful care.

You can bet I'll be out in front of my Premier's office topless (ha no nipples so they can't arrest me) as soon as I'm healed.  I know my docs and nurses will support me, we've already talked about it.

I saw someone used the word Sheeple as I was trying to catch up.  Time to stand up ladies.  We are already being manipulated to pay for our own cure (uh oh I see a report this post coming.....) don't you all think it's time we did something instead of bending over further?

Did you know during the depression farmers from the Fraser Valley started martching to Ottawa?  Along the way they were joined by many others.  The military was sent to Regina to disband them.

My father and grandfather helped build this country and I'm not ready to let everything they worked and died for go to HE double hockey sticks in a handbasket.