Just diagnosed with extensive DCIS

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Shrek4
Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822

Ok, ladies, please bear with me. I am still in quite a shock and there is still enough un-known left that makes me be worried to no end.

I am 48, non-menopausal, never had children (several miscarriages then I gave up). During my last two periods I had felt a small lump in my right breast, that at touch was painful, but not very. After the second period it had happened (no pain in-between periods) I went to see my primary care Dr. and he checked me up and sent me for diagnostic mammogram and ultrasound.

Ultrasound didn't show anything.  Mammogram showed left breast clean but right breast with extensive microcalcifications. That was done on the 21st of August 2009.

Report reads: "Breast heterogeneously dense. Finding 1: There is focal asymmetry in the superior region of the right breast. This was not seen on the previous examination. Finding 2: There are fine pleomorphic calcifications with regional distribution seen in the right breast". Bi-rad 4.

I was immediately scheduled for stereotactic biopsy that was done on the 26 of August. Right after the biopsy the radiology surgeontold me that he thinks it is DCIS and quite spread, so if th ebiopsy comes back positive i have to think of mastectomy. Radiology test information reads: "Microclip was notplaced due to extensive remaining calcifications. The abnormal calcifications extend over a large portion of the right breast. If the biopsy results are positive, a mastectomy can be considered because of the large area of involvement".

I have my preliminary pathology report (got it on Friday, the 28th of August). It says:

"In-situ ductal carcinoma, Van Nuys nuclear grade 2, cribriform variant with focal central necrosis. Cancerization of the lobules. Microcalcifications". I didn't go yet to get the final pathology for the ER/PR receptors.

I was supposed initially to see yesterday a surgeon (at the recommendation of my primary care physician) but I wasn't comfortable seeing a general surgeon for it, also, not comfortable seeing a general surgeon without seeing an ocologist first. So I went ahead and called the OU Physicians and I have an appoitment with an Surgical Oncologist on Thursday - his name is William Dooley and he is supposed to be an expert in breast cancer. I do intend to ask that my left breast would be more thorougly checked as well.

I am already sure that I will have mastectomy on my right breast. Possible on my left one as well. Not sure yet what reconstruction surgery to look for (probably a TRAM flap).

Anyone had anything at least remotely similar to my case? 

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  • Barbie7
    Barbie7 Member Posts: 386
    edited September 2009

    Day,

    I don't have the same situation as you, but I know others will be along soon.  I wanted to suggest that you search this forum for posts by Beesie.  She has a depth of knowledge about DCIS and BC, and she explains things quite well.  In fact, if you just go through a few of the threads in this forum, you'll see her posts. 

    I wish you well.  Barbie

  • fighton90
    fighton90 Member Posts: 7
    edited September 2009

    Hi Day,

    I was diagnosed with DCIS grade 3, large tumor (4-5 cm) a few weeks ago and am recovering from a mastectomy (8/25/09) on my left side with a sentinal node biopsy (everything came back negative/ductal only so far). I already have implants (got them 4 years ago and they're fantastic! lol) and my surgeon was able to save my implant so I have something there under my scar.  I am happy to answer any questions that I can for you. I will be home from work (I'm a teacher) for a while longer. I had my f/u appt. today with a different surgeon (mine's on vacation) and she told me that they need to go in and take muscle tissue because the margins close to my chest wall are less than 1 mm. This was a total shock!

    Take care!

  • mocame
    mocame Member Posts: 669
    edited September 2009

    Hello Day,

    I had multifocal DCIS and LCIS.  As you see below, it was grade 2 and ER+/PR-. 

    I had numerous biopsies (about 9) and they kept finding calcifications everywhere.  The doctors suggested a mastectomy due to the large area of calcifications.  I decided to have a bilateral mastectomy with reconstruction and even after the mastectomy, they still didn't get enough margins to make my surgeon feel comfortable so I had a little more skin removed near the excision at my exchange surgery. 

    I did the bilateral mastectomy because of the LCIS and the higher risk of getting it in the good side.  I just didn't want to have to worry about and risk going through it all again later.  But that was a decision that only I could make. 

    Best wishes!

  • Sunone
    Sunone Member Posts: 151
    edited September 2009

    mocame,

    just wondering what type of biopsies you had done.I have DCIS and had a stereotacit biopsy and now am scheduled for excisional biopsy.

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    Thank you all for answering. I have the appointment today with the surgical oncologist. I got a call yesterday from my primary care physician that they have received the results of the final pahtology report and they were asking for the fax of the surgical oncologist. I think I will be stopping by the hospital I had the biopsy done at to get a copy of it - it's close  to the house and I don't have to go in to work til 10 am.

    Anyone had the TRAM flap reconstruction? 

  • frywoman
    frywoman Member Posts: 76
    edited September 2009

    Day,

    Your situation is similar to mine. I am just home from the hospital having had tissue expanders replaced and implants put in and if you opt for reconstruction after a mastectomy this is something you will become familiar with. This is all a lot to get your head around right now... I remember. You are going to have brain fog for a long while. Take a notepad with you so you can write down everything.

    My DCIS was not picked up by mammogram either. It was very extensive and I also developed palpable lumps that were tender to the touch. I had been told for about 10 years that I had fibrosystic breast disease and as a result I was constantly having mammograms and ultrasoounds done. In fact, I just had a mamogram in January and felt the lumps in late February but because of the fibrocystic breast disease thought they were cysts. An MRI showed exactly how extensive my DCIS was and I suggest that you ask for one if your Oncologist or surgeon doesn't suggest it but they probably will. That will help you and your medical team know how much breast tissue is involved before surgery.

    I opted to have a double masectomy with reconstruction as I was told that a left side mastectomy was mandatory and I felt more in control of the situation by having risk of reoccurence on the other side removed. However, this is a very personal decision for each woman to make. 

    Hang in there. Do your research and talk to the wonderful women on this forum who rescued me from complete breakdown. Beesie has posted wonderful information on here. My thoughts and prayers go out to you that all will turn out well.

    Jean

  • mocame
    mocame Member Posts: 669
    edited September 2009

    kime,

    I had stereotactic biopsies, one excisional biopsy, and biopsies with ultrasound using needles. 

    If you have any questions, let me know.

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    Ok, I have seen the surgical oncologist today. Also, final pathology report came back hormone receptor positive.

    He wants an MRI, he said that due to the extent of the cancer (he said over 60% of the breast) he is not sure at this point it is just DCIS. He wants the other breast checked as well. He said, best case scenario,  right mastectomy with IR, worst case scenario, bilateral MX with chemo and (if necessary) radiation, with the reconstruction done in about three months from the MX.

    I am supposed ot have the MRI next week, so I will put an update here. 

    Sorry, I will post more tomorrow, I am very tired right now and need some time to rest.

    thank you for all your support, hugs to all.

    Day

  • mawhinney
    mawhinney Member Posts: 1,377
    edited September 2009

    You might want to check the reconstruction board for info on TRAM flap reconstruction.  Keep in mind that not all PS do all types of reconstruction.  PSs generally have methods they prefer. You will want to use a PS that is experienced in the method you are considering & one that does the procedure routinely rather than a few times a year. Among other things the type of surgery you have, whether you have radiation & chemo, the condition of your skin, & smoking habits, location of fat tissue may determine what type of reconstruction you can have.

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    Yes, I figured that out. I do have already scheduled the appointment with the PS for Tuesday afternoon. After looking more on it, I think i might lean more towards the DIEP. Anyway, it will all be depending on what the MRI shows. I do have quite a bit of fat on my tummy - I had to go hypo-thyroid and put on some weight before I was given Radioactive Iodine in June, to kill my thyroid, because I was supposed to go with no anti-thyroid medication for a while.

    Oh yes and I forgot, the final pathology report showed that my cancer is hormone receptive, so the oncologist said I will have to take Tamoxifen for 5 years.

    The waiting is what is the worst thing. I do have a lot of moral support, and it is amazing, in times like these, you discover how much people actually do love you.

  • KAR
    KAR Member Posts: 225
    edited September 2009

    Hi Day, I used to live in OK, i miss it.  I don't have any advice I just wanted to wish you luck.  My surgeon originally thought that I had a very small amount of DCIS but like yours it ran from the lobes all the way down.  I had small breasts so I opted for bilat mx instead of re excision and rads.  I had my mx with TE's 7-16 and am doing really well.  It is my opinion that they just don't know what they are dealing with till they get it all out.  Mine was entirely DCIS so that was good news, hope yours it too.  You sound like you've done the research, and I'm so glad you saw an oncologist before surgery this really helped me put it all in perspective.   The waiting is the worst but this too will come to an end.  Hormone receptive po

    Wishing you luck

    K

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited September 2009

    Day - I had a situation very similar to yours.  Mammagram and ultra sound were both "normal."  Only I had bleeding from the nipple and a good general surgeon who felt it was cancer and persisted in an MRI - well, that told the story.  It was a fairly large area of DCIS.  I had a bilateral mastectomy, a very personal decision that only you can make.

    Let us know how you make out with your other doctor visits and tests.

  • tracyanne
    tracyanne Member Posts: 112
    edited September 2009

    Hello all--I too was diagnosed with extensive DCIS after it had already formed a lump.  MRI confirmed an area 6 x 4 x 4 cm, though the final pathology changed the 6 to a 5...

    Here's my question:  are any of you haunted by worries that the pathology examination was not thorough enough?  Ever since I read and confirmed with my physician that no pathologist can look at every bit of a mastectomy, I can't shake the fear that some invasion could have been missed...especially knowing that DCIS that presents with a lump, is comedo w/necrosis, and over 4 cm is more likely to be found to have some invasion at final pathology.

    My path report shows that the specimen was divided into blocks A-Q, and that while some blocks of tissue were examined more thoroughly, only "portions" of other blocks were taken, and  "random samples" of yet other blocks...

    how do we know they know for sure?  any thoughts?

    Tracy

  • ghety
    ghety Member Posts: 478
    edited September 2009

    Hi Day,

    I am also 48. Last year at this time, a suspicious mammo started my whirlwind. I had the stereotactic, found DCIS in left breast. Didn't want to mess around so had bilat mastectomy w/ muscle sparing tram. Just had revisions a few days ago and nipple reconstruction. Its been a year and I am in a much happier place now. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions, especially regarding the tram. All my best to you as you proceed! carole

  • ghety
    ghety Member Posts: 478
    edited September 2009

    also because only DCIS was found after the mastectomy and it was all removed, I did not need to take tamoxifen (my cancer was ER+)

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    I had the MRI yesterday - so it's the "hurry up and wait" game again until Wednesday or Thursday. I have been seriously considering to have the bilateral even if my left breast shows clear.

    I also had the PS appointment a few days ago. The PS said that he is not keen on the TRAM flap or even the DIEP -as they both have the danger of abdominal hernia down the road. He also said that what the mammogram shows has good chances that there will be skin-sparing when the mastectomy will be done, and if I choose the bilateral and the left breast is clean then there will be skin and nipple sparing for it (and the breasts will look more "matched" as well). If nevertheless the MRI (or pathology) will show invasion, and I'll need radiation, then he will go with the dorsal flap - he said in his experience it has the best recovery rate and (unless you're a pro tennis player or swimmer) presents the less discomfort.

    So, rightnow, while waiting for the final results, I'm just taking one day at a time. I am blessed with great friends and absolutely priceless SO - and that helps a lot.

    rubybuttons, great to know that if there's only DCIS than Tamoxifen might not be required. My endocrinologist was a little worried about that - as my hyperthyroid had thetendency to "leak" the calcium off my bones - I'm on a "special diet" of Vit D and calcium for over an year and a half now.

    As soon as i know more, I'll post.

    Hugs for all, and thank you for all the support.

    Day

  • FreedomFaith
    FreedomFaith Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2009

    Day,

    I am going in today for a unilateral left breast mastechtomy and have quite a bit of research.  I deciced to do immediate reconstruction, with expander and implant replacement later.  I did look into the lattisus (something like that) as well as the DEIP flap.  With the extra surgery and recovery, decided against it.  I am small and the Deip was not an option.  The Lattisusis would leave an extensive scare on the back. I keep telling myself they don't need to look perfectly natural (because they won't be).  My plastic surgeon said he can get them pretty close  in shape and even more so in size with an augmentation (implant) in the remaining breast. I would be sure to feel comfortable and confident with you surgeon(s) - it helps alot. Do online research and see if you can find people who have had the more extension reconstruction to find out if you think it is worth it in the long run.  Hope this helps a bit.

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    FreedomFaith,

    I will go with the latissimus dorsi only if I have to go through radiation - as the skin on the mastectomy site would be affected by the radiation and wouldn't be able to be used for expansion. That would be only in the "worst case scenario", i.e., if the cancer is invasive and I have to go through radiation and chemo - that would put the reconstruction at about three months after the mastectomy. You can't have radiation on an existing implant. 

    In the "best case scenario" that will be just that - IR with memory gel silicone, not even with expander because I only want the same size cup I have now - C - and the DCIS affected area is far from the skin, so the skin would be spared.

  • tracyanne
    tracyanne Member Posts: 112
    edited September 2009

    Freedom Faith, if I read your dates right you are now one day post-op from your mastectomy.  Hope all went well, and that you are recovering as comfortably as can be.  Mine was four weeks ago today, and I am thinking of you...sending positive vibes.

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    Ok, MRI results are in. The area affected by DCIS in my right breast is bigger than what the mammogram had shown - the oncologist said about 10 cm. There is a suspicious area of about 6 cm in my left breast as well, he wanted to go for an ultrasound and an MRI-assisted biopsy, but I told him that we should just go ahead and do a bi-lateral.

    Now the good news: the MRI doesn't show invasion or lymph node involvement (he said though that can only be 100% certified at the mastectomy after the pathlogy). And due to my cancer location, he will be able to do skin, areola and nipple sparing for both breasts (he will only remove the core of the nipple).

    The surgery will be sometime mid-October, because the PS needs to order "my new boobs". I'll keep updating as soon as I find out more.

  • sunnyhou
    sunnyhou Member Posts: 169
    edited September 2009

    Good luck.. just an FYI.. I had surgery Sept 1st. and both the mammo and MRI overestimated my size.. they thought mine was close to 5cm and it was only 3cm after the mastectomy..My lymph nodes appeared normal on the MRI and showed no invasion.. Final path on my mastectomy agreed.. so I am so relieved.. .keep us updated..

  • sunnyhou
    sunnyhou Member Posts: 169
    edited September 2009

    also, I did skin sparing and aerola sparing.. first few days my boobs looked really lumpy because of the expanders.. two weeks out they skin has stretched and I am now about an A cup.. so don't be shocked the first few days.. it wil improve.. I will do fills starting next week..

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    Do they still do expanders if they preserve the skin? I thought they'd do that only for flaps, and the IR is with the implant directly?

  • sunnyhou
    sunnyhou Member Posts: 169
    edited September 2009

    I did expanders.. they are uncomfortable but doable.. wich surgery are you doing??

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    Daisy, sunnyhou,

    I'm supposed to have bilateral with skin/areola/nipple (except for the very middle of the nipple) sparing and memory-gel silicone. I am only saying what I understood from the PS, that if there is skin-sparing and IR I won't need expanders as I'm going for the same cup size. I guess I'll know more soon, as I'm supposed to have visits with both the surgical oncologist (who will do the mastectomy and SNB) and with the PS.

    What is driving me nuts right now is how painful my breasts started being before my periods. They were quite tender before, but in the last three months it's been awful. Or maybe I'm paranoid? lol

  • sunnyhou
    sunnyhou Member Posts: 169
    edited September 2009

    Mine were tender too. Part of the reason I went in for my first mammo.. I just turned 38. Ironically, the side I was having pain on was clear.. it was the left side that had the calcifications.. I had immediate reconstruciton but my breasts were small so I think that is why I did not have a choice but to have the expanders.. They are very uncomfortable.. although I am just fine with the pain as long as I do not have to worry about this coming back. I chose a dbl mastecomy because I did not want to worry about this returning. The SNB was not bad.. in fact my non SNB side hurts worse. They gave me muscle relaxers wich I take every evening. Every day is better , and really it is not THAT bad of a surgery.. the worrying etc is much worse.. Do you have a surgery date? you can PM me or write to me if you have any questions. Just be strong and know you will b ok.. this is all very early regardless of the size..

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    Well I got a "preliminary" date set for surgery - 21st of October. "Preliminary" as in they are waiting for the certification from the insurance and also for my new boobs to come in. Doesn't that sound hilarious?

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    Ok, I'm getting paranoid and freaking out again.

    I had just received in the mail the MRI report. Copying from it:

    There is irregular nodular mass enhancement involving the majority of the upper-outer quadrant of the right breast which does extend over the midline, as well as into the inferior quadrants measuring 10.1 cm in greatest dimension. This does extend to the base of the right nipple. This does correlate with the distribution of the microcalcifications on outside imaging. These findings are consistent with multicentric ductal carcinoma in situ. The right internal mammary and axillary basin appears fee of lymphadenopathy.

    In addition involving the left superior breast extending into the inferior quadrants, is similar irregular enhancement measuring 6.2 cm in greatest dimension. While this patient is premenopausal, the morphology of the enhancement is not consistent with benign proliferative change. The left nipple-areolar complex appears free of abnormality. The left internal mammary and axillary basin appears free of lymphadenopathy.

    Impression:

    1) Irregular nodular enhancement within the right breast measuring 10.1 cm in greatest dimenSion. This does occupy the majority of the upper-outer quadrant of the right breast and does extend across the midline, as well as into the inferior quadrant consistent with multicentric ductal carcinoma in situ. This distribution does correlate with the expansive microcalcifications on outside imaging.

    2) Irregular enhancement involving the majiroty of the left superior breas measuring 6.2 cm which extends slightly into the inferior quadrants. This is not characteristic of benign proliferative change, even though this patient is premenopausal. Left breast ultrasound is recommended. If noncontributory, MRI-guded left breast biopsy will be recommended.

    3) No evidence of lymphadenopathy.

    BI-RADS category 6: known biopsy - proven malignancy - appropriate action should be taken.

    ARE THEY SAYING THAT WHATEVER IS IN THE RIGHT BREAST IS INVASIVE????

  • KAR
    KAR Member Posts: 225
    edited September 2009

    Day,  Please don't worry too much.   It sounds like they think the right DCIS correlates with calcification's on mammo.  Not sure on the left, looks like they found something but MRI sometimes show false positives.  Im surprised they gave you the report without speaking to you more about findings.  The only way to tell for sure if dcis is invasive is pathology report from surgery.  They will look carefully to see if the cancer has invaded surrounding tissue (outside the duct.)  If so then they call it IDC (invasive ductal carcinoma) instead of dcis.  When do you see your doctor?    You are getting bilateral right?  Good luck you can PM me if you need to vent or have any questions. 

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited March 2013

    I know, I know, but it seems so hard to believe that I have that size of an area involved without any invasion. Suddenly all the small aches and pains I had in the last couple of years start getting new meanings. I've been beating myself over the head for not having a mammogram last year, until my oncologist said that with the high density breasts I have it wouldn't have shown, probably - same as it didn't show anything in my left breast in this last mammogram, and the MRI found an area bigger than 6 cm! I'm wondering for how long I've had it.

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