Starting Chemo in July 2009

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  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited September 2009

    Carole01 - gooks like we are same tx just one day apart.  I stll have eyebrows, lashes etc etc. Are you getting rads after chemo?

  • Carole01
    Carole01 Member Posts: 29
    edited September 2009

    Gilly:

     I do not know yet.  Had 3 of 10 nodes pos.  Onc said 4 was for sure rad 3 was borderline.  I really hope not but will wait and see.

  • JanetH77
    JanetH77 Member Posts: 32
    edited October 2009

    I had terrible mouth soreness with my first treatment.  Every surface in my mouth felt burned by about day 4.  I also got white sores under my lower lip.  My oncologist told me to keep ice chips in my mouth all during the time the chemo drug was being given.  I did, then continued to use ice chips and biotene mouthwash at home.  On day 4, I could feel the chemicals trying to burn my mouth, kept it "frozen" all day with ice chips.  I never got the mouth soreness this time.  The cancer center also recommended a product called Ulcer Ease, which anesthetizes mouth sores.  You can either rinse with it 20 minutes before eating, or swab it directly on sore spots with a cotton swab.  Oragel rinse for mouth sores is also good, more comforting than Biotene if you already have a sore mouth.  I used it last thing at night, gave good relief.

    Hope this helps.

  • KarenVW
    KarenVW Member Posts: 92
    edited September 2009

    Hi Triple J's!  I hope everyone is doing well or feeling better soon!

    I am gearing up for TC #3 tomorrow so back on the 'roids today.  Hard to believe I will then have only one more treatment left!!  Paulingmom, you can sign me up for the October rads group.

    I've been very interested in everyone's posts regarding the potential causes of breast cancer, especially the emotional aspects.  There is a book titled "Awakening Intuition" by Mona Lisa Schulz MD, and she talks about the ill health effects of not fully expressing your emotions.  In her book, she addresses emotions associated with each part of the body, and for the breasts, it is often related to putting the needs of others ahead of your own needs.  Many of us are probably terrific nurturers and caregivers, but raise your hand if you spend more time taking care of others and not enough time taking care of yourself (my hand is up).  Dr. Schulz also points out the connection between the breasts and nurturing.

    On a lighter note, I stumbled on a discussion thread called "Let's conduct our own study on how we all got breast cancer ".  Check it out if you want a good laugh.   

  • PauldingMom
    PauldingMom Member Posts: 927
    edited September 2009

    Check out Oct. Rads to sign in for that new topic. I have had a couple girls sign up already. One is getting rads. before surgery. New to me! but it helps the tumor by making it smaller. 

    Gillyone!!! Yaa!! So glad you are done with this! Hip Hip Hooray!!!

    As for mouth sores, if anyone wants the recipe for "Magic Mouthwash" just PM me. as I mentioned before, my insurance didn't cover the premixed kind ($50.00) so my Onc. nurse just called in the pharmacy for the drugs and we mixed them with over the counter stuff. It works GREAT! even with the lip sores.

    Along with Mom and I going through the B.C. bologna, my hubby and I just found out that his dad, my FIL, is sicker than we thought and is going fast. (Renal failure) Please, those of you that pray, send one up for my hubby. The fella has alot on his plate right now.  

    Does anyone find it.....I don't know.....odd that this Breast Cancer Awareness Month.. Like I'm thinking, DUH!!! I'm aware!   

    You know what hit me.....how much I'm gonna miss you all when this is all over. Let's check back in via PM from time to time. You all have been so much help and inspiration through this.

  • PAP
    PAP Member Posts: 142
    edited September 2009

    KARENVW......I completely agree with you about the emotional connection to our illnesses or diseases.  Dr. Schulz's book sounds a lot like Louise Hays' books.  I posted a topic about connecting our emotional issues to bc and most of the responses have been negative and completely missed my point.  Oh well.......Patti

  • tara35
    tara35 Member Posts: 22
    edited September 2009

    Hi Ladies,

     I finish 2 treatments of AC already. The first was on 8/6/09 which  wasn't that bad. I went the day after to get the shot. Few days later I had joint pain in my body. I had to take Motrin. which really help me. I went to work few day later which wasn't that bad. On my second treatment which was 8/21/09, I felt very tired after that treatment, didn't have much appitte for few day. I felt very tired quickly. After few day of resting was was able to go to work... I have to say God has been great.  to me and my family.  My 3rd treatment is tomorrow, I hope and pray to God that everything goes well for me tomorrow. I will keep ypu posted

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited September 2009

    PauldingMom - although I am REALLY REALLY pleased to be done with the AC tx, I still have 4 DD taxol txs to do. I have heard taxol is gentler on the body than AC. But I have generally done really well with the AC so keeping positive about the taxol!

    On a different note, both our sons are students at our home town university. We had to bring our younger son home as he has found it is not for him. We know last year (his first) was hard but did not know how bad (ie grades) it had been. He is hoping to find a job for a while (19, no experience, no skills!!!) and so we have to rethink what he will do. Did not expect this. But we deal with what we are given.

    Have a great day everyone.

  • eliz46
    eliz46 Member Posts: 71
    edited September 2009

    Hi everyone i have my 3rd t/c tomorrow, all is still well .oh i had the skin itch it was so annoying and itchy, doc said it was the texatre trying to come out of my body too. i just took benadryl and it subsided..... i do go to a heath docotr as well as my oncologist......

  • pdaw
    pdaw Member Posts: 202
    edited September 2009

    Gil and Carole - Congrats on completing AC - have my 4th and last tomorrow.

    Carole - I too, still have some hair - very sparse - but it still peaks out beneath my hat in the back. 

    Pauldingmom - Magic Mouthwash is what my dr. prescribed also - was lucky insurance paid.  It really does work!  I'll be praying for you as I pray for everyone on this site every night - I'll add your husband tonight!

    Best wishes to everyone taking treatment this week - along with me!

    Pam

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited September 2009

    Glad to read everyone is doing well with the SEs.  I finished AC and today was my first of twelve taxols weekly w/ a couple breaks in between.  I feel pretty good, even went out for ice cream. 

    PM - Im so sorry to hear about your FIL.

    xo

  • RajinCajin
    RajinCajin Member Posts: 16
    edited September 2009

    Well, it has been a while since I posted.  Two weeks ago I had my last A/C.  Except for the first one, the SE's haven't been too terribly bad.  Normal Aches and pains about 24 hours after the neulasta.  Fatigue and exhaustion for 2-3 days after that, slowly improving each day after.  I generally got about a weeks worth of good days in-between treatments. 

    Tomorrow I will get my first of 4 Taxol.  I have to admit to being a bit nervous, because of the different SE's and the possibility of allergic reaction.  I don't particularly care for having to have someone drive me home either.  But, will do what is necessary to beat this crap.  My doctor said that there is a possibility of Peripheral Neuropathy (numbness & tingling in the hands and feet)  I am wondering if any of you have experienced it?

    I am curious about another thing too, does everyone get a copy of their labs each time?  I do, and my numbers trouble me greatly.  I don't know if it means that my neulasta takes longer to start building the white blood cells back up.  Almost all of my values are hitting the Low side in-between treatments.  My WBC's were 2.0 k/ul for the in-between and bounced back up to 6.0 on chemo day and last Thursday they were 1.0 for this in-between. I sure do hope they bounce back to be able to get my chemo tomorrow.  I really don't wish for any delays in my treatment.  I plan on asking the doctor what values would render me unable to get the chemo.  I am also becoming quite anemic, is this normal as well?

    Anyway, enough questions for now.  Thanks for "listening"

  • Kathy16
    Kathy16 Member Posts: 135
    edited September 2009

    I want to thank not only Pauldingmom for starting this July group, but everyone else for being such gracious online friends.  I've been so grateful for the advice, inspiration, reality and even though it's hard to get to know and keep such a large group straight, it was wonderful.  My last T/C treatment was yesterday and I was very emotional.  I cried and hugged the nurse and told her they had made easier than I had dreamed to endure.  It was not an easy road, but I'm thankful that I stayed well with no colds, etc., blood counts stayed up and although I felt lousy for 5-6 days, lousy is different than throwing up or having such severe SE's that you need to go to the hospital. 

    Luckily, when I saw the dr. I did not cry (that would have been embarassing) but had my list of questions and wanted to share some of the answers in case it helps anyone:

    My immune system - will be back to normal in about 3 weeks like before treatment he said;

    Regular flu shot - up to me (this might be different if you're in ongoing treatment - your dr.'s advice might be different)

    Wine - only 3 ounces, but can cook with wine no problem

    Caffeine - does not cause breast cancer or make it worse according to him, although like anything they probably want it in moderation.

    Swine Flu - he advise to get it, said he is going to get it b/c it's a risk to all Americans.  Said his advice had nothing to do with my cancer and now that I'm done treatment my risk is the same.  I'm nervous b/c vaccine is so new - are they rushing it????

    My next appt. is Nov. and I'm going to ask him about Vitamin D and nutrition then.  As everyone speculated on the causes, it's so clear that it's too complicated to even guess.  I've been buying organic beef for years to avoid the hormones and cook for my family relatively healthy.  I need to lose 20 pounds and am thankful that I didn't gain during the treatments, but like someone else said, half of America is much more overweight and the breast cancer % isn't 50% of women.  It is certainly more complicated than hormones or diet soda or drugs we took, foods we eat.  I also had a lot of stress in my life with handling the "sandwich generation" of caring for young children who needed a lot of care and parents before their death and now failing in-laws.  Who knows? 

    Jayne - my prayers for a speedy recovery - I understand shingles are very painful and you really don't need that while already suffering through the chemo

    Gilly - likewise for the ankle - I hope it is a speedy recovery, although I know sometimes bones take a little while and patience to heal. 

    Everyone is so strong - it has given me strength.  And for anyone who needs or decides on radiation I know Pauldingmom's board will rock.  I won't see you there b/c although I've been struggling (my tippy toe is on the line of what is even considered the "gray line" - they're still studying it) and it would only help a local recurrence only and jeopardize both my dominant arm with lymphedema and my reconstruction.  Two opinions estimated between 3-5 total percent and maybe up to 10%.  My onc put my percentages with the surgery, chemo, and taking tamoxifen at 90% for no recurrence, so I don't want to risk the side effects of my arm and reconstruction for just 5%.  Some people would be more comfortable to have the 5% and I respect that.  It makes it hard that it's a personal decision and the docs can't make it for you or even tell you if you're one of the women it would help.  It's not like chemo or surgery - more clear cut. 

    Anyway, I've rambled enough and wish everyone the best.  I hope you don't mind if I lurk once in a while to see you all doing well and moving on - finishing up treatment.  And good luck to everyone who does need the radiation. People who search and find this board entering chemo will find such a wealth of helpful information.  You didn't just help me and everyone else in July and August, you will have helped people being diagnosed right now and facing chemo soon and in the future. God bless.  Kathy

  • josybee
    josybee Member Posts: 86
    edited September 2009

    Gil,Carole,PS73,pdaw: Congrats on finishing your last AC !!!!

    RaginCajin: Congrats to you also fininhing AC !!  I had my first Taxol last week, I was nervous also about an allergic reaction, but I did fine, the nurse said that my onc gave me alot (steroids, benedryl, etc) to prevent it and I didn't have any problems, so I gues I will see next week when I go for my 2nd, and they said any reaction will be either the first or second time. I did have a lot of body aches by the 2nd day after taxol, from my chest, stomach, legs and back, but eveyrthing else was ok. That lasted a few days. And tired.  As far as the numbness & tingling not yet.  They told me that may happen after the second or third treatment. Good Iuck with your first Taxol!!!!

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited September 2009

    kathy - you are part of this group and just because you are done with chemo does not mean that changes. We can keep this thread going as long as we want to - even when everybody has had their last tx.

  • Eph3_12
    Eph3_12 Member Posts: 4,781
    edited September 2009

    Hey Kathy-so glad you are done, but as gilly said you're still part of the group!! Can't get rid of us that easy (unless of course you don't ever post again!)  Sounds like you had the same nurses each time-I've had different ones since the get go--I sometimes see nurses from previous visits, but I haven't had the same batch ever, which is probably a good thing, I'd most likely get very emo next Thurs. if it was the same ones, over & over.   

    I hope everyone who can has a marvelous Labor Day!  I for one am looking forward to the weather cooling down!

    Joni2

     

  • pdaw
    pdaw Member Posts: 202
    edited September 2009

    RajinCjin - The way it has been explained to me my dr. uses some type of equation which involved WBC, RBC, the ability to make new blood cells and a bunch of other things.  It the number is less than 1,000 they won't give me chemo.  I too, have been troubled by the numbers some times.  WBC is always low but the equation numbers are truly baffling.  For example my AC is every 3 weeks.  Week one number (after treatment 3) was over 2,000, Week 2 that same number fell to 51.  Today I went back up to 1295 today.   nurses asked if I was getting neulasta - and questioned dr. but she said no.  I have a 3 week break and then Taxol every week x 12.

     Congratulations to everyone, including ME, who had last AC this week!   Dear man friend is taking me to the Grove Park Inn in the North Carolina mountains for a beach music festival so I'm praying for few SE this weekend.  He planned this early on as a celebration of finishing up the Bad Stuff!

     Have a great weekend everyone!  Love, hugs and prayers to all!!!!!

    Pam

  • Jayne_in_UK
    Jayne_in_UK Member Posts: 517
    edited September 2009

    Hello Triple J's

    RajinCajin congratulations on finishing A/C. I hope your first Taxol went well.

    Kathy congratulations to you on being done with chemo. Thanks for sharing the answers to your questions too. You can do more than just lurk, as others have said you are still part of the group and we would miss you if you just stopped posting.

    Pam congratulations to you too on finishing AC. Hope you have a wonderful time at the beach music festival, it sounds great.

    Carole congrats on your last AC, and on retaining so much hair on your head.

    Gill congrats on finishing your AC. I hope your foot is continuing to improve.

    PauldingMom hugs to you, your Mom, your hubby and your FIL. Your family is really going through it just now.

    As for me, the anti-viral tablets seem to be working. It has not spread any further and the tingling and pain is a lot less. I still look hideous though, imagine me, lop-sided, bald and with shingles down my face! My chemo that was planned for this Wednesday has been postponed until next Thursday. Also my appointments this week with my onc and surgeon have been postponed, nobody wants to see me while I have this. I am feeling much better though so I'll enjoy the extra week of feeling OK before I start Taxotere.

    I will be doing radiation after chemo but I think I will miss out on starting in October. I will definitely read the thread to find out how those of you who are having radiation are getting on.

    Wishing you all a good weekend. xoxoxoxo

  • London-Virginia
    London-Virginia Member Posts: 851
    edited September 2009

    Hello Jayne - congrats on finishiing the FEC!!  Glad to see things moving along well - warm hugs

  • glassist
    glassist Member Posts: 55
    edited September 2009

    I too, send my congratulations to all who are finishing one step and possibly starting another.  It's been a long row to hoe, but we are strong women and we are proving it.

     I have been given a choice for my next treatment and wondered if any of you might have faced the same situation.   I have one more AC and then onc says it's up to me whether I do taxol or go straight to Arimidex.  He says that (in my case) the taxol will only give a very small increase in lowering the chance for recurrance.  This is not an easy decision for me.  Anyone else struggling with treatment decisions?  Or have an opinion even if you're not?

  • stef58
    stef58 Member Posts: 288
    edited September 2009

    Hwy Triple J's, Congrats to all that are done with A/C. It seems like alot of us had that cocktail. It only can get easier. To all, my hair is coming back after the A/C. i see little white hairs on top of my head. I hope I do not loss them during the last 3 treatments. I have only 54 days till done. Are most of us done this month or october. We are all going strong and going to beat this devil. Have a great weekend Strength and Hugs Dianne

  • Niknak0320
    Niknak0320 Member Posts: 138
    edited September 2009
    glassist wrote:

    I too, send my congratulations to all who are finishing one step and possibly starting another. It's been a long row to hoe, but we are strong women and we are proving it.

    I have been given a choice for my next treatment and wondered if any of you might have faced the same situation. I have one more AC and then onc says it's up to me whether I do taxol or go straight to Arimidex. He says that (in my case) the taxol will only give a very small increase in lowering the chance for recurrance. This is not an easy decision for me. Anyone else struggling with treatment decisions? Or have an opinion even if you're not?

    I'm on TAC so I don't have an opinion really on your situation but I wanted to sympathize with you on the tough choice - I too am struggling already with the decision as to whether or not to do radiation after chemo <shrug>  Putting these decisions on us stinks!  I hope you figure out what you want to do (((HUGS))) 

  • Kathy16
    Kathy16 Member Posts: 135
    edited September 2009

    Thanks to everyone for the kind words and of course, I'll post now and again if I can help or encourage - also look forward to your discussions about the swine flu shots - making me nervous already as I have 3 in my household heading back to school.

    A wonderful restful Labor Day weekend to all - wishing you all the cool, beautiful sunshine we have in the east.  Kathy

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2009

    I have my last AC this Tuesday! I have felt great this week for a change! Hope everyone has a great Labor day weekend.

  • LindaSueH
    LindaSueH Member Posts: 70
    edited September 2009

    Congrats to all who have finished......My final AC is Wednesday!!  Please continue to pray for my husband's job situation...I have handled the whole cancer thing pretty well with a great attitude, but this job thing is a huge black cloud!

    The Komen walk here in Cincinnati is next Saturday, and although I probably won't feel up to it, I have a huge group walking for me.  The support of friends and family has been overwelming, and very humbling to me.  I know I speak for many of you when I say that I have become a much stronger woman because of this.  My exchange surgery is scheduled for Nov 19, and I am looking forward to having that behind me also.

    You have all been so amazing during this road we have traveled together, and I continue to pray for each of you every day!

    Have a blessed holiday....

    Linda

  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited September 2009

    Just had 3rd AC on Aug 31 so I have one more on Sep 21, then to 12 weeks of taxol. I seem to be in the minority with my severe se's to AC. With this tx, I started vomiting violently within 4 hours of tx, this lasted 7 hours and the nausea since has been extreme. I'm almost to the point I want to skip this last one. I've had zofran, compazine, and now kytril and phenergan with this last one. I suppose they will want to try emend this next time. I have never thought of giving up till now, but I actually believe this stuff is killing me. Could one more tx really make that much difference in the outcome? Has anyone else reacted like this?

    Joni2...the book I referred to is Anticancer by David Servan-Schreiber. Very interesting, kinda deep and scientific at some points, but great info I thought.

    Congrats to all of you finishing chemo...a great accomplishment.

    Joni1

  • RajinCajin
    RajinCajin Member Posts: 16
    edited September 2009

    Hey all! Thanks for the grats on finishing A/C.  However, I almost wish I were still on it. 

    I don't know if it is the Taxol or the Neulasta, but my SE's are much different this time.  I remember reading about bone pain when I first started my chemo.  During my first four treatments I don't recall any bone pain per se.  The worst I felt was the headache that sent me to the hospital on the first treatment.  Other than that it was more like a flu type symptoms.  Pain in the neck, upper shoulders, and the feeling of swollen glands in my neck.  Really just made me feel miserable for about 24 to 36 hours. 

    This time however, is quite different.  The day of chemo I felt pretty good, except for a bit of breakthrough nausea and being drowsy from the benadryl.  I was so drowsy, lightheaded, woozy that they rolled me out to the car in a wheelchair.  We drove home, ate lunch and after about 30 minutes rest, I actually felt good enough to put in about 3.25 hours worth of work.  Friday was also a really good day.   I put in about 5 work hours, went to get my shot and finished working.

    Yesterday, however, my SE's started coming on.  Only this time it's different.  All the bone pain I have heard about? I am sure that is what I am feeling. The peripheral Neuropathy, definitely present.  Fingers, toes, hands and soles of my feet.  The bone pain is in every joint, my hips, my back,my shins.  Thia pain is so much worse than the previous rounds.  The only thing that actually takes the edge off is my Dilaudid.  And when I say take the edge off, that is all it does. 

    I am able to find some comfortable positions for about an hour, but moving afterwards is just as painful. This has now lasted for almost 2 days, and I truly hope not much longer.  It is a good thing that tomorrow is a holiday.  I really don't thnk, even without the pain, that I would be able to work from home, much less drive to work.  I hope that this is a one time deal like the headache was.  My other worry is the PN.  Does it continue throughout, or just like the bone pain, for just a few days?

    Anyway, just wanted to share how I am doing this time.

    Take Care, and God Bless you all!

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited September 2009

    Joni 1 and RajinCajin, Im so sorry that you are having terrible SEs.  Chemo is awful and yes, it feels like it's killing us at times but you will eventually get thru it.  Just think how far you have come.  Joni, the emend is the best, if you can get it you should certainly try it.  You wrote that the zophran isn't doing anything at all, correct?  IMO, emend is the best and then zophran is second best.  Zophran isn't as exp. as emend though.  Just so you know, my third AC knocked me on my ass and it was by far the worst in terms of pain.  I thought I was going to never get thru it.  The pain was terrible, my skin was three sizes too small for my bones and I was sore to the touch four 72 straight hours, no sleeping pill could help me thru it.  My fourth round I requested a drug for osteoporosis bc I was allergic to everything else.  This worked for me but Ihad other SEs that trumped #3.  I so know where you are coming from and I didn't think I would ever get thru it. 

    Seriously though, you know your body best, if you really think you are not strong enough for the chemo, you should contact your doctor immediately and discuss options.  ..Especially if your counts are really low.  What are your counts? 

    Good luck ladies!

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited September 2009

    ...oh yeah, RajinC - the neulasta was my source for pain and it sounds like you are having similar SEs to it. 

  • PAP
    PAP Member Posts: 142
    edited September 2009

    JACEE....The Emend is a stronger and newer anti nausea med and worth every penny.  Definitely ask your doctor about using it for your last round.  I had three days worth for every treatment.  The strongest pill on day of treatment, followed by a lesser dosage the two remaining days.  I also used Zofran and Compazine on days four and five after the Emend was gone on day three. Patti

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