Double Mastectomy AFTER lumpectomy & Radiation?
Hi! Has anyone opted to get a double mastectomy AFTER doing a lumpectomy and radiation? I am doing radiation now, but I am very nervous about having a new cancer down the road, and should have probably gotten a double mastectomy. But now that I am in the process, I am still considering doing the double mastectomy. I found out after a baseline mammo...no reason to get it...just between 35 & 40. No lumps, bumps or concerns. So I am afraid I wont be so lucky next time.
Does anyone have some advice? Am I crazy? Will I be able to do reconstruction (looking to use my tummy fat)? I just dont think I will ever rest without doing it. Any advice would be helpful!
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Hi cake welcome to the club nobody wants to join.....I think a few ladies here have had mastectomies after lump and rads.......Maybe someone will come along soon who has.....I myself had bilat mast with immediate TRAM from the start although a lump and rads was offered .....I too didi not want to have to worry about recurrence but the odd thing is I still do worry about recurrence even though I was stage 1b and no nodes involved...I guess the worry really never leaves after a cancer diagnosis.....Good luck to you sweetie.....
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Hi, Hollyann! Thanks for posting. I'm so new at all this. Still done even know what "grade" means, LOL! I think I'll still worry about getting cancer again also, but at that point, I'll feel like I've done everything possible...hopefully?
Good luck to you too! Looks like you're a few years into it and doing well!
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I'm having a bi-lateral mastectomy on 8/25/09, after a lumpectomy and radiation, plus a regional recurrence (left axila and clavical). I have triple-negative BC, and in my case is very aggressive. If I would have understood my diagnosis on 2006, I would have requested a mastectomy at that time, but didn't really understand until my recurrence. I'm also having immediate reconstruction with a DIEP abdominal procedure. I believe this is an individual decision and if your gut tells you to have a bi-lateral mastectomy, then you should check into it.
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Hi, Cake.
So sorry to hear about your recent diagnosis. None of us wants to be here, but this is a great site for support and feedback from others with BC. I had bilateral mastectomies 10 days ago. I was diagnosed with DCIS on the left in 2002 after a routine mammogram, had a lumpectomy, radiation x6 wks, and Tamoxifen x5 yrs, and went 7 years cancer free. Then in May 2009 after a routine mammogram I was diagnosed with DCIS on the right. It was a no brainer to opt for bilateral mastectomies this time. I had immediate TE (tissue expander) reconstruction. So far so good...I'm feeling remarkably well 10 days postop. I don't regret the decision I made either time but am relieved to know I've done all I can now to prevent recurrence. I wish you the best in whatever you decide. Hugs!
~Janathan
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Wow, Car-lh/Cynthia, thanks for the info! Your experience is exactly why I want to get a double mas. I'm afraid of surgery, but I feel like my body is a ticking time bomb ready for another cancer explosion when I least expect it (as if anyone expects or wants it, right?) And like you said, I feel like there is so much info swirling around, that I'm not sure I have all the facts as to my future put together. It seems like doctors and nurses, etc. are so "passive" about a recurrance...they just tell me "we'll treat it as a new cancer." As if anyone would want to get a new cancer, ha ha!!! They all think I'm "over-treating" but I keep telling them I'm not trying to over treat this cancer, but prevent another one from happening.
My appointment with my breast surgeon is October 6, and even though I'm scared of surgery, I think I'm most definitely going for the double mas. Thank you so much for your input. I'll being remembering you on August 25 and the weeks after! If you get the chance, send a post on how your doing!
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Hi, Janathan! Thank you so much for sharing your story. It helps a lot...I am really feeling sure that I am getting the bi-lat mascetomies. I dont want reoccurences!
One question if you dont mind...did the doctors mention the "radiated breast" having a harder time to heal, or limited options for reconstruction? I was going to go with immediate reconstruction using my tummy fat
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Hi Cake!
I don't mind at all answering your question...sorry it took a couple of days to get back to you. Yes, my doctors did mention the radiated side might have a harder time healing but said they weren't too concerned because I was fortunate to have breezed through radiation (used 99% aloe faithfully and tan easily). However, they warned there could be problems due to scar tissue that can't be seen externally. As it turns out, since BMX I've had absolutely no problems with the radiated left side and actually had a bit of infection and more pain and tenderness on the newly diagnosed non-radiated right side. With a stronger antibiotic, thankfully the infection has healed. I have a great PS, and because I'm a small person (barely B bra before surgery), he recommended immediate TE reconstruction. I'll be about the same size when all is said and done, but I'm totally comfortable with that because my decision to have reconstruction was based on my emotional well being after BMX and fitting into my clothes without wearing prostheses. The thought of another recurrence just scared the living daylights out of me, and I feel a great sense of relief since BMX and have no regrets. Keep us posted on how you're doing, and let me know if I can answer any more questions. I pray whatever route you take you'll have quick physical and emotional healing and be free of this nasty disease. Wishing you the best!
~Janathan
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Hi, Janathan! Thanks for your reply, and sorry I havent responded sooner, LOL! I started the radiation and will be done 10/1/09...I cant wait!!! Then on Oct 6, I will visit my breast surgeon for a follow up, and I am determined that I would like to proceed with a double MX. I am already waking up at night and every little teensy thing I think, "do I have cancer again?" For example, my right breast had a quick moment of pain (probably cuz it's squished when I'm on the radiation table), and I'm panicking...should I call the doctor? Am I being paranoid? What if I have cancer again on the right breast and I dont know it? (My cancer was on my left breast, and they found it from a baseline mammo...no lumps or concerns. It was just sitting there.)
So I think I'm sufficiently neurotic about it and will never rest until these puppies are out!
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Cake,
I did my share of panicking both times...it's only natural. Sounds like you're going with your gut on the BMX, and that's a good thing...only you can make the decision. My BC was high grade/aggressive, and my docs told me after my BMX that I had made the right decision. Had BRCA1 and BRCA2 genetic testing done and am awaiting the results and hoping they are negative for our daughter's sake.
Cynthia: You'll be in my thoughts on 8/25. Wishing you the best!
~Janathan
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I don't know if this will help with your decision at all, but I fully documented my double mastectomy (with photos of the entire surgery) and they're posted at cancervacation.com. I'm positive that if I hadn't gone ahead with the surgery I'd have always wondered, too. I figure if I do everything I can then I won't have to wonder "What if I'd done ___" down the road.
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I had a double mastectomy after I found I had breast cancer in the right breast that had spread to some lymph nodes. In the pathology check they found a tiny cancer in the left breast that had been missed by all the tests. If they had not found that, I would say don't have a mastectomy. The surgery itself isn't that hard but the breast reconstruction takes a long time.
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Hi,
You could re-write your story as mine. I had lumpectomy and rads and had doubts the whole way through the treatment. The year following completion of rads turned into constant anxiety and sleepless nights about my choice, and I finally I acted on it and had a BLM. I was definitely going against the grain of what everyone else thought I should do, but deep down inside, I knew that it was the only thing that could give me peace, and it has to the fullest extent. Even with the risks of past radiation, I'm so glad I did it. I went from worrying about recurrence every day to having to remind myself that I ever had breast cancer ! Please pm me if you would like to talk or need any specific info.
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Also, just to answer all of your questions.....I'm doing expander / implant reconstruction and I've had no problems.
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I had a lumpectomy and rads in 2007 and then my first mammogram of 2008 found more microcalcifications and I had bilat mast with no recon. I did not have any problems with the bilat mast. I have very dense breasts and no one told me that with very dense breasts nothing can really be seen. The bilat mast found a 1.7 cm tumor (which was benign) but could not be seen.
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Hi, JGrim! Sorry for not responding sooner...with 4 kids and radiation and junk, you ALL know how it is. Thank you SO much for your post...I did go to your website, and it was really cool! You look great in your photos! Even all put together, I couldnt look that good (still working on the weight issue...that's going to be another post question for me...HOW to lose weight with all this!). You should think about writing a fiction book or novel...your writing skills are very good and entertaining
. And it wont matter if you "fall asleep suddenly" from time to time while writing in the comfort of your own home. I am sorry you have all these health issues to deal with. Keep me posted when you have new pictures and with your progress...are you planning reconstruction? Oh, btw...your tattos are really cool!!!
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Hi, Kay12! Thank you so much for posting...I am glad (well you know what I mean when I say "glad") to hear someone has a similar circumstance as mine. I would love to PM you from time to time, thanks! I'm two weeks down for radiation. This Tuesday, I go for an MRI, because I never got one (I work kinda fast and found a surgeon to take that nasty cancer out within a week of my diagnosis...pretty wild ride!), so of course I'm wondering if there is anything lurking still there on either side...my right breast is feeling left out, and I keep thinking they didnt check it hard enough so I bet there's something there! Which is more of the constant paranoia.
The fact that you talk about getting peace after finally doing the mx is exactly what I'm going for. My non-cancer friends say they would do the same thing, but of course, until your faced with the decision, it is a more serious consideration.
I do have one question...I'm trying to figure out which reconstruction would be better but I get confused as to which is which. You mentioned you're doing expander/implant. I didnt know I could do an expander/implant with radiated breasts? I thought the only option I woud have is to take my belly fat (which I have lots so that might be good), but I dont know if the end result will look good. But it sounds like I can yes?
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Ah, very interesting, Aug242007 because I noticed that my report said I had dense breasts, also, so that is yet another part of my fear...I had a lot of DCIS within the few small tumors (.1 cm & .2 cm), so I'm thinking i have a great chance of getting another pool of DCIS again in either breast. I dont understand why bc survivors eventually go back to 1 year mammos as opposed to 3 or 6 mo mammos (maybe the xray toxicity?) because it seems like it can come back so quickly and/or aggressively! Thank you for sharing. It definitely strengthens my resolve to have the BMX.
Very interesting about that big unseen tumor! I am so glad it was benign even tho it's gone...dont need any more bc to think about!Besides, my lumpectomy made my breast deformed, smaller, and the nipple is turned so funny looking. I think new ones would look much better anyway!!
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cakeisgreat: I can understand wholeheartedly the anxiety of recurrence and am in the same quandry about PBM. You have to do what is best for you. We can all share our experiences and the reality is we are all strong women who have dealt with bc - we can deal with whatever comes our way , be that "watch and wait" or aggressive surgery. You are doing the best thing you can -- research your options.
A couple questions: Did you have an oncotypeDX test? That is a test that gives a recurrence risk rate. Are you going to take tamoxifen (premenopausal) or aromatase inhibitor (post-menopausal) ? Has your doctor given you a % recurrence rate based on the treatment you have received? Have you had genetic counseling for BRCA1 & 2 testing?
I had a lumpectomcy/ SNB, chemo, rads, and arimidex - given all that, I was given a 5% recur rate. I was euphoric about being done and cancer free and confident I did all I needed to do. Then I decided to see a genetic counselor - she recommended I be tested - not because my mom had bc at 55, but because she considered 51 to be "young" for bc. And I wanted to know for sure, so my son would know --- and then one week after being done with treatment, I get the news I am BRCA2 positive -- my risk for recurrence or new bc went to 50% -- rocked my world -- euphoria fled like air leaving a popped balloon. Some say my decision is no-brainer -- get rid of them. My brain goes both ways -- 50% never see cancer again...what to do???
Since June I have researched and studied my options. Reconstruction after rads can be done -- but I have to wait 6-12 months for the tissue to recover from rads. The best option (lowest failure rate) for reconstruction is tissue transfer - TRAM, DIEP, GAP, breastcenter.com has a good description of these. Read the reconstruction boards, too. I see some women, like janathan, have tissue expanders and implants and do fine. That is dependent on how your tissue/skin has recovered after rads. Some have tissue transfer on the radiated side and implant on the other. Some do Lateral Flaps (using back muscles, repositioned to hold implants in place) There are plenty of options, with good results, if you choose this route.
Another importatn factoid: PBM decreases recurence risk by 90% -- so some risk still exists.
For those women who have made the decision and had PBM, they are happy - it was the right decision for them. For those doing "watchful waiting", they are content with that decision as well. No matter what we do, sadly, ZERO risk doesn't exist. So first understanding your recurrence risk and then determining what % risk you can live, will help you decide. For me, right now, the "what I can live with" part changes every day. It is almost a blessing I have to wait to decide -- gives me time to settle my brain a bit. And I want to recover fully from the treatment for the cancer I had, before I decide about the cancer I may never have....
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Thanks, ljh58 for posting. I was thinking right after radiation also. I wanted to ask the surgeon if I'm supposed to wait till the radiated breast heals a bit?
All my docs said "I am over treating the diagnosis" by doing radiation and then a double mas. But I felt like the radiation was going to hit the cells the surgeon might miss. Plus like you, it was all happening so fast that I wasnt sure what was right! So I opted at that time to go ahead with the radiation to give me time to think. Now that I've been thinking...I am still sure I want to knock these puppies off, LOL!!!! I dont need em anymore!
PS--God is my shelter and strength too!
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Had I known then what I know now...
My cancer came back in the same breast after a lumpectomy, SNB, chemo and radiation.
In 5 days I will have my double mastectomy with T/E.
Good luck to you!
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Hi, kt57! Thank you for all that amazing info! I just posted about doing the BM right after rads, but you mentioned having to wait 6-12 mos for healing. That's good to know. Let's see...I did genetic counseling...negative for BRCA genes. I wanted to do Oncotype but found out about it after the fact, so I dont have that. My oncologist is retesting my slides to find out if the Her2 is postive (Mine was 2+ unequivical), but that's it on that one.
I think I'm definitely a leap before I look person which is good sometimes, but not always, ha ha!
I will start Tomoxifen as soon as rads are done (4 more weeks). Which also is something else I wondered about...after 5 years, then what am I going to do because I wont be menopausal yet...I'm 37 years old (so annoying to have cancer at this age!!!) I think you are too young to have cancer too, btw
Actually, I think anyone under 150 years old is too stinkin young!!!!
Two docs told me different things in regards to reoccurrence percentage...my breast surgeon in NYC said it's like a 90-95% that I wont get a reoccurence by doing lumpectomy/rads. He also said it's better to do lump&rads rather than masec these days. My onc said it's not better than mastec except that doctors are so much more "on top" of us with the lumpec that the survival rate is the same. So, it seems the same either way, but I feel like "if theirs no breast cells, there's less there to turn into cancer."
I also had a level 2 (barely) melanoma in 2005, so i'm getting sick of the cancer thing. Incidentally, I just saw on the news that Melanoma and BC may be connected by Estrogen. Interesting....
mine was 100% Estrogen pos.
whew! I'll take a breath now ha ha!
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Ahhh, there is so much to say on this topic, but most of it has been covered by the other posts from all these great ladies. I went 14 years after lumpectomy and rads, and then had new occurance in the same breast. This time there was no fooling around; I had BMX and reconstruction with lat flap and tissue expanders. I knew I'd never trust that so called healthy breast not to go rogue on me, and I'd need yet another surgery. I'm five weeks post op, feeling great, and in the process of having fills in the expanders.I feel like I've entered puberty again.
I know I made the right decision, but there is a bit of bad news. My surgeon did say there is always a possibility of another recurrance even after BMX. It's always possible that a smidge of breast tissue remains somewhere, hiding from the surgeon. The onc said the same. But the chances are miniscule compared to leaving the whole breast intact.My healthy breast showed no sign of cancer but I'm glad it's history.
Bobbi
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For me, part of the questions were: Am I willing to undergo chemo and radiation again should they find cancer in my other breast? Can I live with knowing that there might be slow growing cells not yet found that could create another invasive cancer 15 years down the road?
The answer to both was "no" -- I wanted to go on with my life as normally as possible without constantly waiting for the bad news to rear its ugly head. I can't live on the edge of a cliff.
It's an intensely personal decision. I figured a couple of weeks recovery from the mastectomy was better than 9 months of chemo/radiation and a higher risk that it still might not be enough the next time to save my life.
I underwent one mastectomy last October, and opted for the prophylactic mastectomy last week. They found Atypical Lobular Hyperplasia in my so-called "healthy" breast which can lead to invasive lobular carinoma. Been there, done that. I'm willing to do whatever it takes to reduce my odds of not going down that road again.
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Hi there, I am in the same quandary...had IDCIS lumpectomy and rads on my left boob. 5 years tamoxifen and rads and got it again, this time a hidden 1.5 cm found only by an MRI. Since I had no nodes, no genetics and the oncotype was mid range, BS tells me it would be "too much" to take off a healthy breast. He said should lift and reduce to match the other girl. I was thinking I just want it gone and new barbie boobs.
Now I have some things to think about. I don't want to do major surgery if it is not indicated. BS wants me to get an MRI yearly so that if there is every anything popping up they can get to it before it even becomes something that needs chemo/rads (did you know MRIs can do that, gals? They can). He does not feel it is indicated. Neither does my oncologist. Neither does my PS. Everyone feels that it would be overkill. Except me. I am swinging the other way to monitoring now, as I do have an implant in the new foob and I have to MRI her every two years anyway to check for leaks. I may do a few monitoring years, then see where I am.
That's where I am with this...........
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Sorry I didn't come back and reply but I'm still limited to five posts a day and I'm also scatterbrained, heh. If it makes you feel any better, I don't look as good as I did any more, either, hehe. In fact the next photo set on my site is going to be geared toward steroids and weight gain and how women tend to keep that sort of thing private enough that they all individually feel bad about how much they weigh instead of recognizing as a group that sometimes a certain amount of weight gain can be inevitable and you shouldn't feel bad about it while it's happening. For example, I'm on two steroids right now and am gaining three pounds a week and this is unavoidable (I'm monitoring my weight and exercise and nutrition with multiple doctors) until I'm done taking these particular meds, but even though it's an unavoidable side effect of medication weight gain is kept hidden and people are ashamed of it instead of getting support and trying to work through it like you would any other appearance related side effect (like hair loss or skin pigmentation). I don't know if I'm making sense here, but my point is that weight gain is a very real side effect and people shouldn't feel bad about it as much as they do. And I'm going to keep telling myself that until later today when I hopefully work up the courage to shoot topless fat photos of myself, hah. *runs away and hides*
Anyhow, after that I'll definitely get to work on the reconstruction photos.
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I had a lumpectomy in March and really wanted the breast off at that time,but my BS was a huge proponent of breast conserving surgery, and although she would not lead me in my decision, she did keep insisting that my breast would look fine and that removing it was overkill. I regret not having them removed. I am large breasted and they are dense, and also triple neg. I am just finishing up with chemo next week, and then will do 6 wks of rads. If I am lucky enough to be one of the survivors that does not get the beast back, I am still seriously contemplating having them both removed at some point. While my cancer breast does look pretty good, my non-cancer breast hangs about two inches lower and makes me totally lopsided. I am older and really do not care whether I have breasts or not, so I would not do reconstruction - just use the prosthetics. I think so many things are thrown at us and so many decisions need to be made - all while we are still in shock over the damn diagnose. If I had it to do all over again, even though it was only done in March, I would do it all differently. Best of luck to you.
Linda
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Hi, Gals! Lots of great new posts! Thank you so much!
2xsenough--That's exactly what I'm thinking...I know 14 years from now seems like a long time, but why would I want to go through this whole experience again like Texas said, right? Plus, Anniealso had that 1.5 cm thing that was only found with an MRI. My cancer was just sitting there without my noticing it. It would have been much worse if I waiting until I found a lump, so who's to say I wont be worse "the next occurrence." And I heard there will always still be a possibiliity of getting bc again because of some cells leftover, but it's a whole lot less than having the whole boob in tact is what I'm thinking too.
Y'know, these doctors say to me that it's "overkill" or "overtreating the area," but y'know, they go home at night and sleep well, not worrying if they have cancer secretly waiting to attack. I dont think it's overkill at all if it'll help me sleep at night. They dont have to live with "my cancer," I do, and I'd rather not live with another cancer. One's enough, thank you!
ljh58--you're going to be busy soon. I'll pray for ya (if you dont mind?)
Hiya JGrim! I didnt know weight gain was a side effect, UGH. I'm a moose already, so I just dont need any help! I dont have to take steroids (that I know of)...just have to start the Tomoxifen after rads...hopefully I wont be so depressed that I eat to oblivion!!!
Linda--I totally agree with you on the lumpectomy thing...my operated lumpectomy breast looks silly...the nipple is squished in and pointing at my arm; I have a huge scar which is indented (was good the first surgery, but when they cleared the lines, it took a loooong time to heal) and my "healthy" boob also hangs 2 inches lower. It looks so stupid! I would definitely think if I had done it the other way, it would have looked cooler.
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My Honest Opinion if you are going to have a Bilateral Mastectomy. Why would you do Rads?
There can be side effects from that. That can show up years later.
If you have a Mastectomy With your Diagnosis. I dont think any Drs would have you do Rads.
Pam
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Sweet Cake...
Such a hard choice. I did rads after my mast... because , for me, it was probably life or death. I needed the rads. I HATE THEM... they were worse for me than Chemo.
After looking at your DX in your signature line... if you are 100% sure you are going to do a Mastectomy... right way... then you should STOP RADS NOW!
DO NOT FINISH RADS if you are going to have mast right away.
Sister.. talk to your BS and rads oncologist right away if your are serious about a mast....
I would have given my left breast ( oh yeah.. I DID).. to NOT have to have rads. But I had to have a mast and rads... you do NOT.
If you wanna PM me.. you can.
My suggestion.. TELL YOUR RADS onco right away about what you want. You should NOT finish rads is you are going to have a mast right away.
God Bless
Laura
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Hiya, Estepp (Hey, my name's Laura too! Way cool)
Thanks for you info...I know I struggled with this choice for like two months. I talked to the onc & rads guy and they said what you said, but I was so afraid not to get the rads because my BS said it's better to do the rads and lump rather than the mastect in my sitch. So I went around in circles (my usual way) and couldnt come up with a solid yes to the mastec. I'm still not 100% sure, but I'm afraid NOT to get a mastec and then join the very many women on this site who get a reoccurrence. So...Ugh!
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