BEWARE!!! All Hospital Rooms are now co-ed, Unisex

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Once upon a time, in a land far far away (o.k. o.k., maybe not that far) lived a little girl, who thought she was the most blessed person in the world. She woke up every morning, smiling., singing and dancing. The immense happiness in her heart was obvious.

Then over a period of time, one by one, the women in her family, were stricken and died from an evil spell. Inevitably, the little girl was stricken with the same evil spell. No longer did the little girl wake up smiling, singing and dancing. The happiness in her heart gradually perished. O.K. enough of that.

I'm hoping that the caption captures the curiosity of many of my BC sisters. I need feedback, am I a prude or what? I can't stop thinking about this and dread the thought that I will have to go back in, soon.

Grab a cup of your favorite refreshment, get comfortable and here it goes!

I WAS INFORMED BY NURSES WHILE STAYING IN AN ONTARIO HOSPITAL "THAT ALL ONTARIO HOSPITAL ROOMS ARE NOW CO-ED!!!   This is what happened to me.

July 30th. LHSC, Victoria Hospital, London, Ontario 3 Doctors. Ooph(spelling) - removal of left breast tissue - double lat flap procedure.

Woke up in recovery room. Went back to sleep, moved to what was presumed to be private room. Found out later, all private rooms were being used by infectious disease patients. Moved to double room, which would have been o.k., but......

I woke up in double room, cold, with blurred vision, confused & with severely limited body movement. i.e. could only move my head and raise my hands. I was only partially covered around the pubic area with a blanket that look like it had been tossed there, as an after thought, Woo Hoo! Thank you so so much, how thoughtful! #%$@&#% I attempted to pull up the covers, but was incapable of moving. I couldn't reach the call button. To my left was a big uncovered window. Which in it self wouldn't have been that bad, if and this is a BIG IF, it looked outside. Na aa, I meaning little old me, I couldn't have been that lucky!!! That F#%&*N window looked out into a bright hallway that was used as reception area, nurses station and hallway just to top it up. Can you comprehend the amount of foot traffic that passed right by my window, and you bet you're a$$, YUP!, looked right into my room. Being a side attraction, I didn't know whether to wave or try to cover my hip bone. The hip bone being the only place my hand could reach, because my hand was laying right next to it! %$#$@#& AAAWWWWWWWW At that point, I noticed I had a privacy curtain that hadn't been pulled closed. Then I heard voices, male voices, hmmm? F#$%K I had a male roomy! And all his guests could see me naked. At that point I realized my legs were slightly open and I had a colonauscopy ???(spelling) bag on, with a tube coming out of my ya ya. The end of my bed faced the open doorway and his side of the room. What a great view for them. I was horrified, angry and very embarrassed.

A nurse came in to check my dressings. I asked if she could please close the curtains. She asked why. I was momentarily speechless. I said "I'm naked!!" She closed them partway, PARTWAY!!! I said please, please go back and pull them all the way closed. She did. There was a washroom about 1 and a half feet away from the right top side of my bed. I was told it was a shared br. When I asked her to please close the curtain on that side of the bed while she was examining me, she told me it wasn't possible. The nurse told me if she close it at that end then the other end would be open to the doorway and my roomy. As she was checking on my incisions, I asked why did I have a male room mate. She told me that all Ontario hospitals rooms are now unisex, co-ed. I was shocked. ( Why wasn't this public knowledge. I would think that something like that would have made the papers IMHO.) I requested to be move to a room with a female. She told me that there weren't any available. When she finished looking at my dressings, I had to ask her to please cover me. When she left my room, she pulled open the curtain, and left it that way. I called to her, but she didn't hear me. I think it was more like she ignored me. I could deduce before she left my room that she was quite irritated with me. During all of this I was very courteous to her, I knew that she was just doing her job.

When additional nurses came in my room. I gathered she had told them I was a problem. I had to tell each one, when they tried to examined me, to please go back and close the curtain first. They acted irritated by me. When the Doctor came to examine later that day, I let him know how upset I was about co-ed rooms.

 

The next day I was moved to a different room. My roomy was an elderly lady who was very upset that her last 4 room mates had been men.

 

The end

 

Yours Angel

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  • cwrightrn
    cwrightrn Member Posts: 242
    edited August 2009

    Angel....all I can say is WOW after reading your post. I am shocked and mortified.  I am so SORRY for the insensitivity of the nurses that took care of you. In fact, the way you were treated was ABUSE! As a nurse in the US and a patient, I totally understand where you are coming from.  At the hospitals I have worked at I have never seen a male and female in a room unless they were related. And as to patient privacy, that is hospital rule #1. In fact, in our hospital we verbalize "we are closing the curtain for your privacy" even to patients that are unconscious! I'm not sure how complaint procedures work in Canada but I think they would be the same as the US....if you express a concern (or complaint) to your nurse and get no resolution, ask to speak to someone in charge. If you get no resolution from that person ask to speak to a manager or nursing supervisor.  Unfortunately, most of us in the hospital are at the mercy of those that care for us as we are too sick to deal with complaints....but you can complain once you get home too...just call the nursing administration office.  Again, I am mortified and disgusted by what happened to you!

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited August 2009
  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited August 2009

    Dear Cwrightrn,  I couldn't put in words how I felt.  There seemed to be something missing, until I read your post.  You are right, I felt abused.   Thank you 

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited August 2009

    What an awful experience, so sorry that happened to you.  At least your dr. got it resolved.  I hope this doesn't happen here in the US.  I could not bear to have a man roomate, that is just not right.

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited August 2009

    2tzus,  I was horrified.  Not only wasn't I given a choice,  I was told there were no other beds available.  I went to a pre-admit clinic at the hospital, and at no time was it mentioned that rooms were co-ed.  Frankly if I had known this, I would have gone to another province for my operation. 

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited August 2009

    Spar2,  the Dr. didn't resolve this.  He told me he couldn't do anything about it.  I kept begging the nurses to find another room for me.  A man across the hall was checking out and I asked one of the nurses for his room. 

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited August 2009

    ymb, I'm quite distressed that this happened to you, but glad it finally got resolved.  I spoke to a nurse friend who said this was the first she'd heard of unisex rooms, and we are both checking with the Ontario Hospital Association to see what's what.  She said, in her experience, it has only happened in a dire emergency -- in other words, a lack of a bed due to emergency surgeries - and that the situation is remedied as soon as possible.

  • mke
    mke Member Posts: 584
    edited August 2009

    This was a new one for me.  It wasn't the case when was in the hospital biz a while back.  I googled and the rationale for it is the cost of transfering patients between rooms (and possibly wards) as people come and go.  I would guess room transfer don't amount to too much, but wards matter - lots of  things have to be adjusted.

    I had a stay in the ER overflow with a male roommate, it wasn't a problem for me, I didn't even think of it as odd until now.  But I sure would have objected to being displayed for all passerbys no matter what or who my roommate had been.

    Venting here is fine, but if you want action do this:  Check on the internet and find the hospital CEO, the QA manager, the medical director, the chairman of the board.  At least 3 of these are public knowledge and you can probably get them all by calling the hospital.  Tighten up your letter a little, make it factual - no colour commentary and send it off with ccs to all recipients.   If you want to have even more fun, send it to the health minister and the opposition health critics. 

    If that doesn't get you a response I will be stunned.  And I would like to be informed of that outcome.

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited September 2009

    Lindasa,  Thank you so much.  I would greatly appreciate anything you can find out.

    mke,  Great!  I am going to take your advise.  I will leave out all the colourful drama.   I will inform you of the outcome.

    Angel

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited September 2009
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2009

    I find this very hard to believe.  Sorry but that's just my opinion.

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited September 2009

    bluedahila,  I am offended that you have called me a liar.  I wrote this post because I was wondering if I took what happened to me, at this hospital to seriously.  I thought maybe it was just me, maybe I was behind the times, a prude.  If, bluedahlia, I wasn't being truthful, why would I give the name of the hospital?  They would sue. 

    Bluedahila this is a site for support and that is why I posted.     

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2009

    I didn't call you a liar.  I find it hard to believe that all our hospitals have gone co-ed.That's what the title of this thread implies.

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited September 2009

    Please, Please Bluedahlia, accept my apology.  I as-well, find it very hard to believe our hospitals have gone co-ed.  But that is what happened to me.  The lady I ended up sharing a room with, had 4 male room mates, before me.  She was very upset about it.  When I discussed it with the nurses & Dr, they said all Ontario hospitals are the same way.

    Now if you will excuse me, I'll go scrape the egg off my face.   Angel

  • shawnna1212
    shawnna1212 Member Posts: 15
    edited September 2009

    Dear Ymb- That is just terrrible that you had to go through such a tramatic experience like that, i hope that you do contact the medical board and let them know how you were treated....IM sorry to use your thread for what im about to say to blue dalia

    Bluedalia- i havnt been on this site for very long and havnt posted very much i come here to learn and get comfort, every time i go to a thread there is always some one arguing, and i dont get it, the way you phrased it to ymb was saying she was lieing, it was not that you said you cant believe it, it was saying "in your opinion"I read some of your posts and it seems like you are always saying things to tick people off and when they come back to you, and say somthing you dont like you say they are being "unchristian" i see you go to the athiest thread, well i would like to say, we are all human and make mistakes no matter what are choices are, being christain has nothing to do with it, is that why you treat people bad becasue you dont belive in god, im sorry im just fed up with all the fighting and arguing here all the time and its usally caused by all of the athesiest(not always but most of the time) so i wont be back to this site anymore , i wont be reading any thing you have to say either so dont bother

    good luck ladies i will be praying for ALL of you

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited September 2009

    Well I certainly can't help how you interpret things, can I?  Please don't stereotype me.  Just because I enjoy many topics of conversation, doesn't mean I follow in those beliefs.  How dare you categorize me.  A working brain means nothing to you? ....and why are you following me around?

    In my opinion, I find it hard to believe our hospitals are co-ed.  I have nothing to base this on fact, so it IS my opinion.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited September 2009

    Okay, let's clear this up.  I just spoke to administration at my local general hospital.  Hospital rooms in Ontario are NOT co-ed.  There are rare occasions (such as happened to you, YMB) when patients are "doubled up" for infection control purposes, or when there have been many emergency surgeries resulting in a shortage of beds, or at least male-only or female-only, beds, and this has happened for many, many years.  But the general rule is that women are placed with women, and men are placed with men.

    Still, ymb, I think you should lodge a complaint with your hospital about the manner in which you were treated by the nursing staff.  By and large, nurses are the most caring, wonderful human beings on the face of the earthInnocent.  But I bet, with the infection control problems they were having, you just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.  However, patients do come first! 

    Cheers, Linda

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited September 2009

    YMB -- I agree that you should lodge a complaint -- and add the Head of Nursing at the hospital too -- that was dreadful treatment!  

    And thanks for following up on this Linda!

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited September 2009

    Lindasa, thank you for speaking to your hospital.  Unfortunately, In London, Ont, at LHSC, Victoria Hospital, co-ed rooms are common practice, at least on the floor I was on.  This practice upset me so much that I constantly questioned the nurses about it.  When I was moved into another room, the lady I shared that room with, had 4 male room mates before me.  The nurses and my Dr. told me that all Ontario hospitals are now co-ed.  Why would they lie?  I don't understand, but will get to the bottom of this.  Thanks Linda I will keep you up to date with my findings.   Angel      

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited September 2009

    ymb, without belabouring the point too much, I think perhaps the unwritten rule is "co-ed if absolutely necessary, but not necessarily co-ed".  The Royal Vic is a VERY old hospital (good heavens, my mother did her dietetic internship there in the 1930's!), so I'm sure it still has several wards (4-bed rooms) and probably very few infection control rooms.  I believe newly-built hospitals do not have any 4-bed rooms, only doubles and singles, and all rooms can double as infection control rooms (with the necessary sophisticated ventilation systems etc.).

    As for why your doc and nurses told you that -- well, sometimes unique situations are said to be generalities, just to keep the patient from complaining too much ...Undecided

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited September 2009

    Lindasa your are right, I did question this practice, a lot, they reasonably thought I was complaining, lol. And Lindasa you are more then accurate about Nurses. Nurses are the some of the most caring, courageous, compassionate individuals in this world. The things they witness, and have to do. I wouldn't survive 15 minutes in their shoes. A few of them told me I should file a complaint with my MPP.  My big sister is a nurse. Declaring that I am proud of her would be an understatement. She was the first person I called about the co-ed rooms. Unfortunately, she lives 2000 miles away, so didn't know about Ontario practices.    Angel

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited September 2009

    SherriG, Thank you so much for taking what I have said as the truth, as I know it.  And thank you for your sympathy.   Angel

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited September 2009

    SherriG, Thank you so much for taking what I have said as the truth, as I know it.  And thank you for your sympathy.   Angel

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited September 2009

    I've never had a male roommate, but if they used some discretion on how I was splayed about, it shouldn't really matter. Sounds like the nurses are pretty bitter too! When I was in for a week in July with my kidney problems I was on the maternity floor! hehehehehe  My new roommate half-way through had just come up from pediatrics! I think they are putting us where they have the nursing staff. It's not a matter of beds, it's a matter of nurses.

    A hospital/patient advocate really should be told, that is despicable! Privacy is a right.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited September 2009

    Angel, I'm really sorry about what you experienced.  Reading through these posts, here's what I've concluded:

    - It appears that the Ontario policy is to allow co-ed rooms in situations where it is necessary, for example if there is a shortage of beds or for infection control reasons.  I'm in Ontario and to me this seems reasonable. 

    - Angel, it sounds as though your hospital has stretched these rules and therefore perhaps don't take as much care as they should in managing room assignments.  As a result, they frequently put people into co-ed rooms and they use "Ontario policy" as an excuse. To me this is not reasonable and it does not seem to be consistent with practices at other Ontario hospitals.

    - Angel it also seems that you encountered some nurses who maybe aren't the most caring or professional, or perhaps who were just overworked and/or having a bad day.  What you experienced was terrible.

    So, while everyone who goes to hospital in Ontario probably should be aware that it's possible to end up in a co-ed room, unless you're going to Victoria Hospital in London, it doesn't sound like this is something to be overly concerned about. 

    And Angel, as has been suggested, to address the particular situation you faced, which clearly was unacceptable, you should write a formal complaint to the administration at Victoria Hospital. 

    Sorry for being so blunt about this but it seems that continuing to debate this, particularly since there's already been some nastiness and there already are hurt feelings, isn't going to be very helpful and is only going to lead to more arguments.  We already have enough of that on this board!  JMO.

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited September 2009
    KDG, Beesie did not say Angel was looking to start an argument.  I think she meant that other people shouldn't be arguing, because we can all agree!  I think Beesie's last post lays out the issues very clearly -- Angel was treated badly at Victoria Hospital in London, ON -- and that poor treatment warrants a formal complaint.
  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited September 2009

    I wasn't suggesting that Angel's post was looking to start an argument, not at all.  I apologize if that's how my post reads.  I understand the need to vent and I know how important it is to get support and acknowledgement when something goes wrong.  I also appreciate being warned about the possibility of being put into a co-ed room.  But as I read the string of responses, obviously have been disagreements, bad words and hurt feelings. So if this thread has inadvertently become a lightening rod for arguments, unless there is new information to add, it might be better to lay this issue to rest.  That doesn't take away in any way from the terrible experience that Angel had.

    As I said, JMO.

    Edited to add:  Ann, I just saw your post after I posted my mine.  Thank you!

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited September 2009

    Bessie stated the situation very clearly.

    It seems that there were two issues going on - having coed rooms and insufficient care about a patients privacy/modesty. I think that the second one is the bigger problem. One might have a female room mate that had male visitors so even when there aren't co-ed rooms, there need to be provisions for providing for each patient's modesty and privacy. When my DIL was in the maternity ward, the curtain was always drawn between the two beds providing some privacy for each woman, though not perfectly since we had to walk by the foot of the first bed to get to her bed, but the curtain could have been drawn around further if it bothered the other woman. 

    My surgery was out-patient, so I didn't have any over night hospital stays for BC treatment, but where I was treated they always were careful about providing for patient privacy and modesty. In the chemo room, the nurse would draw the curtain if she needed to examine any area that usually isn't exposed in public. Occasionally a patient would have the curtain drawn all through treatment. Even when they did my rad treatments, the tech would normally adjust my gown to cover what didn't need to be exposed. And there is no one there to see except the rad techs. Even though I wouldn't have minded if that hadn't been done, the gesture made me feel that they cared.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2009

    I can't speak for anyone else, but the last two times I was in the hospital for surgery, I shared the room both times with men....I don't believe the hospital has necessarily gone coed, but I think perhaps it was a shortage in the post-surgical ward...?

  • CapeBretongirl
    CapeBretongirl Member Posts: 364
    edited September 2009
    Dear All; I was looking for a sympathic ear and compassion. Also, I desired positive feedback as to whether or not I was over reacting and being a prude. I have calls in to different authorities. Now it is a waiting game. I will keep all posted.

    I feel awful that I even posted this topic. I should have just kept my mouth shut. I just don't want to see any other women hurt the way I was, and still feel. I thought that here, I could get the support and positive feedback that I needed to move on. Thank you Angel

     

    Edited to add:  Thank you for sharing that SigeKiss

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