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  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited August 2009

    Quarter, I hope you feel better soon.  Don't not post - it's not just happy trails here, I think in the thick of it, most of us are going to be sad or sick or both.  Im still there but the amount of support here has helped me tremendously.  Kathy described it as humanistic as possible and I can go weeks as happy as a clam and then out of nowhere it just hits me that I have cancer and I find myself depressed for a long while. So so so many things going on in my head lately but the good of this disease is how it brings people together.  People want to help and support.  It really is phemonenal how people step up and take good care of you when you are down.  I know I am blessed and this helps me get thru the harder times. 

    Gill, how are you feeling?  How is your ankle?  I hope you feel better soon.  Im not sure what state you live in but in the northeast the weather was brutal last week as Im sure that didn't help your situation and being dizzy.

    paulding mom, how is your speech coming?  Did you come across any stats on self exams and finding bc that way?  Just curious bc the drs never really cared too much that I found mine, in a way that was noted that is.

    LoriJo, that is hysterical.  I need to get my licence updated with my new married name but Ive been holding off bc of the chemo, etc...  lmao

     I saw a commercial today for eco something (a galvanized steel water bottle) - they were saying that the breakdowns of the chemicals from plastic water bottles contaminate into the water when they sit in the car.  They used the words 'leads to breast cancer' in that commercial. Wow was all I could think; that's pretty ballsy to write.  Then I started thinking about how at the time I had a backseat full of empty water bottles and how I felt that I was being 'healthy' and not drinking the diet pepsi fountain sodas like I wanted.  So it leads me to this question: how do you feel about how you got bc?   

    Anyway, Im rambling tonight.  Preparing for no sleep. Im going to put the fan about two feet from my body in the hopes that the hot flash that lasts fron 4:30pm to 4:30 am will not be too bad. Im afraid to take anything hormonal so Ive been just dealing with it.

    Hang in there girls Ihope those of you who had tx this week are doing ok.  just think, only a few days and you'll feel much better.  :)

  • shelclaire
    shelclaire Member Posts: 55
    edited August 2009

    PS73

    I agree about the water bottle but you mentioned Diet Pespi, I love it and have been curious if it could be a reason with it's ingredients. I have now switched to caffeine free but still need a few a day. Anyone else think this too. I also wonder about my plug ins, candles, I know crappy food. I wish there was a little survey so maybe we could over time find a common denominator(haven't used that word since high school).

    I would definatly lose my drivers license when this is over. I had to get a new Sam's card and will not want that picture around for very long.

    Blessings and Hugs

  • josybee
    josybee Member Posts: 86
    edited August 2009

    stef58, Had #5 yesterday, Taxol & Herceptin,I was there for 7 1/2 hours. The first time the herceptin was longer, after that it is only 1/2 hour. Taxol is about 4 hrs. Did pretty good with the treatment,noproblems and I felt pretty good when I got home. They say this is alot better than the AC except for bone and muscle pain. My 4th AC was pretty bad. So far this morning I am feeling pretty good. We will see what the next few days bring. Hope you feel good.

  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited August 2009



    Ladies...Had to take a break from the board for awhile. I was being consumed by bc i felt. So just needed to step back and try to find some normalcy...no luck really. Normal has been redefined by this disease. After AC #2 I was nauseated, actually vomited and lost my smell/taste for almost 11 days!! That made almost all smells sickening to me and everything tasted bad. I've had a few good days now, and will have #3 on Monday....ughhhh!!! I'm discouraged, but not giving up. Blood counts are good thanks to nuelasta. Got a new nausea med (kytril) $831.00 for 20 pills!!!!! Thank God for my insurance which paid it all. Hoping it will end the nausea.

    I'm right in the middle of all the se's with all of you....hot/cold, sweating, teary eyes, yukk tongue, mad, sad, glad (sometimes), bald, cranky, etc.....yet grateful i'm alive and able to feel all these things!!!!

    Dh flew with ds to enroll in college in LA. Sad I couldn't go due to feeling so crappy. Good for them they could get away together for a few days.



    Hang in there,

    Joni1

  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited August 2009



    Ladies...Had to take a break from the board for awhile. I was being consumed by bc i felt. So just needed to step back and try to find some normalcy...no luck really. Normal has been redefined by this disease. After AC #2 I was nauseated, actually vomited and lost my smell/taste for almost 11 days!! That made almost all smells sickening to me and everything tasted bad. I've had a few good days now, and will have #3 on Monday....ughhhh!!! I'm discouraged, but not giving up. Blood counts are good thanks to nuelasta. Got a new nausea med (kytril) $831.00 for 20 pills!!!!! Thank God for my insurance which paid it all. Hoping it will end the nausea.

    I'm right in the middle of all the se's with all of you....hot/cold, sweating, teary eyes, yukk tongue, mad, sad, glad (sometimes), bald, cranky, etc.....yet grateful i'm alive and able to feel all these things!!!!

    Dh flew with ds to enroll in college in LA. Sad I couldn't go due to feeling so crappy. Good for them they could get away together for a few days.



    Hang in there,

    Joni1

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited August 2009

    Joni, Im so sorry that you are feeling shitty and couldn't go to LA.  Its completely overwhelming.  Ihope you feel better soon, only a couple more to go. I had weird SEs from the AC too.  We called our pharmacy and got their advice onthe SEs and in particular to my tongue thrush, they recd swish and swallow (nyastin).

    Shelclaire, I love diet pepsi too but it has to be fountain.  I didn't drink too many but certainly had my share right before dx.  Interesting.  The aspartame breaks down into phenylalkanine (sp?) which mimics some sort of weird dna amino acid.  Oddly I am craving one right now.  That and a wendy's cheeseburger. Fuck off cancer, I wont give in to your trickery.

  • stef58
    stef58 Member Posts: 288
    edited August 2009

    Hey  triple J's Had number 5 yesterday. The steriods keep me up last night for the first time. They have me taking them for 2 days after  on docetaxol/taxotere. Anybody else do this, hard to wind down. Seems to be a gentlier drug so far. when does the tingling start , any advie from the TC people on this thread?  So far so good.  Hugs and strength Dianne

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited August 2009

    Hi ladies - it is so good to hear from everyone - good or bad.

    after my horrible day on Tuesday, yesterday was equally horrible. My foot hurt so much I went to the doca. Was there 2 hours plus and I have broken three little bones in my foot and am now lugging around a big boot. Took a nap for 21/2 hours and still managed to nap watching tv in the evening. They also did a blood draw thinking perhaps low RBC that made me keel over. But that was ok.However my WBC was very low, but I don't know if that is normal as I usually only get a blood draw right before tx and it has been fine so far. So really no idea what went on. I was up with a headache in the night and a fever, but ok after tylenol.

    So today is work day 2. I am going but feel like there will be very little I can do. Pauldingmom - I have hired teachers to take care of all our sessions at preschool. I will just be an extra when I'm up to it and take care of the business end. Up till this week I felt like I could do alot so hoping I'm done with bad days and I'm on the way up today.

    Oh yes - I get the weepy eyes now too. That and my constant runny nose, I dread to think what I look like!!

    Hoping for little or no SEs for all

  • PauldingMom
    PauldingMom Member Posts: 927
    edited August 2009

    Hang touch my little Jug-A-Nauts! We can see the light at the end of the tunnel, so raise your swords, lasers or what have ya and heave ho, or mount up or what ever you do. 
    Yep, know the Boo Hoo routine all to well. Some days it's all "Why me?" and " I don't wanna" and that's okay as far as I am concerned. But when the tears dry up it's time to find your strength and move forward (never straight, from my wilder days. Sorry Mom.:)

    I'm going to start a new topic for those of us who are starting Radiation in October. So look for me and Eph3_12 and all the rest of us moving on to this stage of the journey. Even if you are not doing radiation (sounds pervie) come by and visit, please!

    Today for the first time in a long while a tomato tasted like a tomato. Yum!

    I laughed at you lorijo. I have to have a photo taken soon for similar reasons and it says, no hat, not head wear. I'm thinking to myself, really??? I do not want to look like Magnet Man for my pic. Big pink chick hugs!!
    Lisa 

  • ssimmons66
    ssimmons66 Member Posts: 51
    edited August 2009

    Hey Ladies

    OK I need to know about the diet pepsi thing!!! I drink diet pepsi ALL the time out of the bottle and fountain...I would like to know also how many other bc patients drink diet drinks????  Just wondering it has been on my mind a lot latley!

    (((HUGS))) to all...May the Lord continue to Bless us

    Sherri

  • LindaSueH
    LindaSueH Member Posts: 70
    edited August 2009

    I don't know about the diet drink thing, but I do know that the plastic thing is a big concern....as are cosmetics. As soon as I feel better, I am replacing all my makeup with all natural cosmetics.  There has been some research to suggest a link from homones in cosmetics to breast cancer...just an fyi!

  • AsiaYM
    AsiaYM Member Posts: 2,216
    edited August 2009

    Hi, Ladies,

    I started 1st chemo on July 15. Had port installed on the day of 2nd chemo treatment. Had 3rd chemo yesterday. My treatment plan: 3 rounds of TAC, lumpectomy, another rounds of TAC to follow.  I love my port, it is so much easier.  So far so good with no side effects except normal achs and pain with white cell booster shots. With my 2 treatments, my tumor shrunk a lot, thank goodness.  I got a lot of great info from this website which I am very grateful.  I want to thank all the ladies on this board, you are angels in my life.    Karen

  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited August 2009

    LindaSue~  In the book ANTICANCER, the author says to stay away from any cosmetics, moisturizers, etc. that have parabens and phthyalates in them. After I went to Look Good Feel Better and came home with all the makeup, I looked at the labels and over half the products had these in them. Started looking at everything, and couldn't believe all the lotions, soaps, nail polish,makeup, shower gels that I had that have them. Got rid of it all. You know, I was thinking of friends who rub progesterone cream on, and it made me realize how our skin really does absorb stuff very well. I'm now trying to not use anything on my skin.

    Joni1

  • Dazed-and-Confused
    Dazed-and-Confused Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2009

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! to all that gave us the suggestion about my wife's head pimples and hydrogen peroxide. After 2 days of using it the results are amazing. My wife's scalp went from itchy and really red and sore looking to just a few blemishes. tomorrow is chemo number 3, the halfway point. Thanks again for the great advce.

  • Eph3_12
    Eph3_12 Member Posts: 4,781
    edited August 2009

    OK-so I called the doctor today re: the weird stuff on my hands and got another Rx-a cream, called Triamcinolone Acetonide cream-I'm afraid to research it!! I've done one application & the stinginess is gone already.  Still looks painful, but doesn't feel as sensitive.

    #2: Prior to BC treatment #3, if you tapped my veins, you'd get pure Diet Pepsi.  Ive said that for YEARS-I'd say a good 20-25 yrs, of lots of DP everyday (the earlier years not quite as much as I also drank a lot of alcohol back then), but honestly, I NEVER drank anything but DP for probably the last 10.  Very rarely water, and it didn't matter if the DP was from plastic, can, or fountain!  But since last Thursday, I have not had but 1 DP, and dumped more than 1/2 down the sink-tasted terrible.  Now that I'm starting to feel better I am not sure if the taste will be better now, but Hey-I've kicked the habit, guess I should continue my DP sobriety.  Wish me luck!  Joni2    

  • KarenVW
    KarenVW Member Posts: 92
    edited August 2009

    You can add me to the list of Diet Pepsi addicts.  I have also speculated about the effect of pesticides.  We have had our house treated for years for spiders, etc. since we practically live in the woods.

    Gillyone - so sorry to hear about your fall.  I hope you are doing better and recover soon!

    I have started to receive the most beautiful cards and notes from two chemo angels.  They are truly the sweetest women.  I highly recommend you sign up if you haven't yet.  It is a pleasant surprise and a great way to treat yourself.  I look forward to being someone else's chemo angel in the future.

  • PAP
    PAP Member Posts: 142
    edited August 2009

    Hi Fellow Diet Soda Lovers......I hate to be the bearer of potential bad news...BUT....all diet sodas contain potassium benzoate.  Somewhere in my chemo fogged brain I remember reading that "benzoate" or any derivitive of that can be a cancer causing agent.  For some reason straight sodas do not contain that which is why occasionally I will have a regular soda or mix half n half.  I have gone through periods of no soda, then once I have one I seem to get addicted again.  Since diagnosed with BC have been making a true effort to cut them totally out.  Natural sodas like Hansen, Blue Sky contain no preservatives (benzoate) so should be much safer.....they don't taste as good either, however.  But when I have a craving I resort to the natural soda which is better than nothing.

  • jewlls
    jewlls Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2009

    p373

    I am due to have a portput in on monday due to problems with hands and arm after chemo, my arm feels so tight and my hand balloons up and i have to constantly take pain killers, also i have probs with them finding veins, to say im scared getting it done is an understatement as i will be awake!!!

    love to all

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited August 2009

    p373...I was also awake when the port went in, its a very short procedure. When the surgeon took it out I was fully awake just local. Believe me I take the port anytime comparing the core needle biopsy.They put that blue drape so you don't see nothing. And its very practical nobody has to poke your arms. For me it was a blessing because I have very tiny veins. My oncologist was afraid that chemo would burst out my veins.

    Good Luck to you on Monday

    Smile Sheila Smile

  • PauldingMom
    PauldingMom Member Posts: 927
    edited August 2009

    So we now know it's a diet Pepsi conspiracy!! Innocent I don't drink the name brand but do only drink diet soda. Since treatment #2 I haven't been able to drink much as the bubbles hurt my tongue. I've stuck to water, juice and an occasional Gatoraid which really helps when I don't have much energy. 

    Ya all have a great day!
    Lisa 

  • Hopeful-1
    Hopeful-1 Member Posts: 72
    edited August 2009

    Hello Dazed-and-Confused - I also had bright, red pimples on one shoulder, my neck and my head after my first treatment. I a sked my doc and he said it was due to the steroids (dexamethosone also known as decadron).  I used Melaleuca Gel on my pimples and they were gone in a couple days. Most of my SEs were due to the steroids and not due to the AC so since I had no nausea he cut my steroids in half.  When my doc cut my steroids in half it virtually eliminated all my SEs and I felt good or great almost all the time.  Glad to hear your wife is doing well through treatment and glad that your lurking has helped you and her through this trying time in your lives.

     Connie

  • Hopeful-1
    Hopeful-1 Member Posts: 72
    edited August 2009

    Hello Triple-J's,

    Hope everyone is doing well and fairing well as you progress through treatment.

    This u-tube medical lecture is very informative, about 1.5 hrs long and somewhat technical, but overall it explains how fructose is in almost all our foods and is the underlying cause of obesity, diabetes type 2, and other illnesses.   Since my diagnosis, I'm minful about what I drink and eat so I found this information to be really helpful as I continue to read food labels when I shop.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

    Today I visit my doc and have my blood drawn. Monday will my first dose of Taxol - not looking forward to the massive steroids they want me to take this Sunday.  Maybe if I don't have any allergic reaction to the chemo, he can drop my steroid medication again. I don't like taking steroids since they cause most of my side effects after first dose of AC on July 2nd. 

    Hope everyone feels as good as they can  and has minimal or no SEs.

    Connie

  • Hopeful-1
    Hopeful-1 Member Posts: 72
    edited August 2009

    Hello Triple-J's,

    Sorry to post again, but I wanted to thank PS-73 and the others for the information on cosmetics and diet pepsi.  I don't wear a lot or hardly any makeup or drink any diet drinks. I know people who had arthritis symtoms, surgery and issues that were later found related to diet coke and diet drinks.  Some stopped drinking diet soda and felt so much better - it took 2 to 3 months before they stopped feeling arthritis type symptoms.

    I also know a chemist who said fertilizers and chemicals used to treat gardens and bugs have known carcinogens that cause cancer in mice and rats. I found this interesting because both me and my mom have or had BC and we are avid gardeners. Although we don't spray our lawns and gardens we do buy bags of potting soil that probably contain the chemicals and we don't wear gloves.   I wonder how many other BC members are gardeners?  After my diagnosisis, I removed all cans of Off, Raid, houselhold cleaners and many other products.  I use Skin so soft as a bug replellent and bought 10 bottles to give to my daughter, sisters, and  nieces.  I only use natural, organic household cleaners and vinegar.  I read all labels for all products whenever possible.  I was amazed how many yogurts include aspartame which is also not good.

    Luckily my 5 sisters, daughter and nieces don't like gardening so if that contributed to my mother's BC or my BC, hopefully they wont' get it.

    I'm having my BRCA test on Wed and will get the results on Sept 23rd. The lady at Yale Cancer center said only 10 to 12 percent of BC patients test positive so it will be interesting and helpful to find out the results.  My insurance said it is a $3000 test, but is covered since I'm under 50 and was diagnosed with cancer.  Maybe the 10 to 12 percent is not really accurate since probably many don't have the test or can't afford it. If my results are negative then it is due to environmental  and lifestyle factors.

    Sorry for the long post, but I'm glad we are sharing information about known carcinogens and other unhealthy products that we use.

    Have a good weekend!

    Connie 

  • Niknak0320
    Niknak0320 Member Posts: 138
    edited August 2009

    I'm having my BRCA test on Wed and will get the results on Sept 23rd. The lady at Yale Cancer center said only 10 to 12 percent of BC patients test positive so it will be interesting and helpful to find out the results. My insurance said it is a $3000 test, but is covered since I'm under 50 and was diagnosed with cancer. Maybe the 10 to 12 percent is not really accurate since probably many don't have the test or can't afford it. If my results are negative then it is due to environmental and lifestyle factors.

    Connie, I just wanted to give you a "heads up" - I had the BRCA test done in June and the lab did call my insurance company who said that it was a covered service HOWEVER it was applied to my deductible so I still got slammed with the $3000 bill!  You might want to double check just to make sure that the same thing doesn't happen to you!

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 469
    edited August 2009

    Hi gals. Hope everyone has a SE free weekend.  :)

  • stef58
    stef58 Member Posts: 288
    edited August 2009

    Hello Triple J,s, Hope everyone is having a better day after reading all the posts. I have found that treating the SE'S quick helped me, but not everyone. I know the feeling of up and downs but it seems to me as we all go through it do not let bc rule our lives. There are flowers to smell, little kids to make us smile, friends to talk to and most of all loved ones to help us. Also a higher power to help us through.  i hope I am not preaching but we are coming up on 2 months here and are all on the downhill part of the treatments. Hugs and Strength to all Dianne

  • pdaw
    pdaw Member Posts: 202
    edited August 2009

    jewlls - I would probably be nervous also if I were awake.  Fortunately for me, surgeon placed the port when she performed my lumpectomy.  The good thing is that you will absolutely love the port!  I do not have good veins and the port has been wonderful!  Maybe they will give you some valium or ask them to cover your face.  I had lasik eye surgery several years ago, and of course, you have to be awake for that.  Dr. gave me valium and covered my face with steril cloth.  Good luck!

    Pam

  • Kathy16
    Kathy16 Member Posts: 135
    edited August 2009

    I probably haven't had a diet soda or drink with aspartame in 20 years - so hopefully this will ease some of the minds of the diet pepsi addicts!  I didn't like the artificial chemical and didn't want to give it to my kids.

    As far as causes, would anyone mind sharing whether they took fertility drugs (which i did with great abandon in my 20s and 30s) or the pill?  When you can't have a baby easily you don't really think beyond tomorrow b/c all you really want is to have a family.  Now I have to wonder (especially given mine is estrogen positive).  Also never having a pregnancy or having a first pregnancy late in life is also cited as a risk factor (not always something within our control).

    gillyone - I hope those bones heal quickly and feel badly that you have to go through this also. 

    Lori1 - sorry if you answered this before and I can't recall, but would you doc consider Emend (it's also expensive, but maybe your insurance would cover).  A lot of us use it  and have referenced it on the list - it seems to really prevent the nausea and vomiting. Between that and a Sancuso patch they prescribed I have never vomited, although I don't really eat normally the week of chemo.  Take care everyone and have a nice weekend.

  • chrisct
    chrisct Member Posts: 2,662
    edited August 2009

    Well, about the not having babies or having babies late as a risk factor, my grandmother had 5 sons and had 2 miscarriages as well and she ended up with breast cancer anyway when she was around 70 give or take (she lived to be 92).  So all those pregnancies didn't seem to provide enough protection against breast cancer for her...

    As for potential causes - I did take the pill for quite a number of years myself, so I do wonder.  And I don't like to waste calories on beverages, so I do drink diet drinks.  They've changed their minds so much about what's good for you and what's bad for you, I don't know what to eat or drink.  Variety and moderation are key, I think. 

    For nausea, they give me Aloxi via IV before T/C and I have had no nausea.  I've read that Zofran and Aloxi are pretty much interchangeable, but sometimes one is better than the other for some people.  

  • Niknak0320
    Niknak0320 Member Posts: 138
    edited August 2009

    Kathy16, I too took fertility drugs but as an egg donor (one time) and surrogate mother (4 successful prenancies but 8 IVF rounds total)...I've beat myself up wondering if it was the cause of my cancer:(

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