Deciding on 5-Day Radiation (Accelerated Partial Breast)

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Hello!  I am dx stage 1 ILC, 0/2 nodes, ER/PR/HER2 not back yet, had lumpectomy 6/23/09 to remove 0.15 cm ILC and LCIS- surgeon got clean margins and 2 nodes were cancer-free (yay!). 

I am scheduled to begin radiation treatments- Dr. recommended 6-week (1/day x 33 days=33 txs) whole breast (plus Tamoxifen) but when I met w/rad. onc. first time today, he said I would qualify for national clinical study (NSABP) involving random sample of 6-week whole breast cancer patients and 1-week (2/day x 5 days=10 txs) Accelerated Partial Breast patients (50/50 chance of being in either sample if I agree to participate). 

Has anyone been through the Accelerated Partial Breast Irradiation?  I welcome feedback on your experience.  I also welcome thoughts/opinions/research on APBI that anyone can share w/me.  I am concerned about getting radiated 2 x/day in such a short period.  I thought it took our cells 24 hours to repair themselves from radiation, but rad. Dr. said only 6 hrs, which is why the sessions need to be at least 6 hours apart each day. 

Of course I would love to help women of the future who will need to rely on statistics from studies done, just as I am now!  Yet it concerns me that my breast surgeon did not initially recommend the 5-day radiation for me (I sensed she felt it was more dangerous that spreading out over more days). 

I appreciate any input from anyone who feels they have something to contribute!  Thank you ladies!

Nancy (regina21)

PS  I also welcome input on Tamoxifen which I need to decide on as well.  Thank you!

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  • kl2260
    kl2260 Member Posts: 6
    edited July 2009

    I am participating in this study and I am very glad I am. This is a large, well-established study -- I believe they are actually planning to close it soon, but I am not certain about that. My surgeon and oncologist were fully supportive of my participating. My radiation oncologist and the trial manager are wonderful.

     As you know, after a person is accepted into the study, you are randomized to either the control group (conventional radtiation treatment 1x/day for 6 weeks) or the expermental group (partial breast irridation 2x/day for 5 days). So, you've got a 50/50 chance of standard or experimental treatment.

    I was radomized to the experiemental arm. I found the treatment very easy to take. I was very glad to have the accelerated schedule because I felt like my treatment was long enough as it was: I had 2 surgeries (lumpectomy with axial node dissection and then a re-ex to get clean margins) and 8 rounds of chemo ( 4 A/C + 4 T dd) as well as the radiation. (My tumor was 2.8 cm and I had 1 malignant node.)

    The only real side effect from PBI was that when I had my second round of a/c chemo, I got "radiation recall", which means that the chemo triggered the radiated area to turn bright red -- more noticeably than during the actual radiation treatment. I just put aloe on it a few times a day and it subsided. (In the experimental arm, you have radiation before chemo rather than after, but I realize this isn't going to be an issue for you anyway.)

     I hope that this study and others like it will help evolve the standard of care.

  • Regina21
    Regina21 Member Posts: 23
    edited July 2009

    kl2260: thank you very much for your response!  I must be one of your first communications via this wonderful breast cancer forum, as I noticed you just joined today... welcome! 

    Thank you for your information and encouragement.  I have a call in to my breast surgeon about this, and am doing as much research as I can here.  Yes if you go into the study you should be prepared to be in either group.  I understand we have the choice of which method of administration to use (3D external beam vs. balloon, etc). 

    I'm glad your treatment was easy to take.  Wow looking at all you've been going through, radiation must be on the 'easier' end of things.  I can't imagine going through chemo, but I couldn't imagine getting cancer before and here I am!  You do what you have to do, but listening and researching I believe help women gain a sense of control and make their best choices.  For me prayer to my Lord is paramount as well! 

    I think it's a wonderful thing to participate for the sake of future women needing statistics and studies to help them make their choices.  You are doing a wonderful thing!  I may be joining you....  my decision will be made soon.  If I do join the trial, I would love to be able to connect w/you via private forum later. 

    Taking things a step at a time!

    Thank you so much again for sharing!

    Blessings to you,

    Nancy

  • kellyless
    kellyless Member Posts: 68
    edited July 2009

    I asked my radiation oncologist about this and she said she would not put in someone with node involvement (I had a smidge on sentinal node) and she wouldn't put someone in that was triple negative.  I'm really surprised you don't have your hormonal status, as that came with my original pathology, 4 days after my surgery.  That and your oncotyping may help you decide your risk before radiation and make the decision easier.

  • kuchagirl
    kuchagirl Member Posts: 66
    edited July 2009

    Hi,

    I participated in the 5-day radiation study, having my radiation in March 2007.  I was randomized into the 5-day treatment.  Luckily, my radiation office was about 1.5 miles from my apartment, so I was back home within 15 minutes after each treatment.  I had no side effects.  I'm approaching the 2.5-year mark, and everything looks good.  Frankly, at times in the middle of the night, I wonder whether I should have done the 6-week program, for more thorough coverage of my breast, but I can't take it back, and anyway it seems so far that I made a good decision.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited July 2009

    This treatment sounded like the way to go for me & surgeon placed a Contura balloon this past Monday.  My excision cavity was small and my breast is small too and the pressure I felt from day one was very uncomfortable, possibly because the balloon was close to the nipple area.  Everything I had read online said women feel "mild discomfort," but I felt like I wanted pain meds. 24 hrs. a day. 

    Today, the Rad-Onc had to remove the balloon catheter because the CT scan showed too little space between it and my surface skin.  Six mm is needed, I had only 4.3 mm.  So, it was no longer an option for me and I have to get the whole breast radiation now.  I'm apprehansive about the skin-burn some get from the 6 wk. treatment, which is why I had hoped for the 5-day treatment instead.  However, I am not missing the balloon catheter at all!  (If I do, I'll wear a ping pong ball in a sports bra 24 hours a day to remind me.)

    One more thing, the treatment is 5-day, but you could wind up having the balloon cathether inserted for a week or more before actually starting the rediation.

    Not trying to steer you away from the 5-day,,,It was my first choice without having tried either. Good Luck with which ever method you decide upon.

  • kl2260
    kl2260 Member Posts: 6
    edited July 2009

    Nancy -- I've lurked on these boards for months, but this was the first post I've responded to because I would have liked to find info about the trial when I decided to join and couldn't find much. My center only offered external beam, so I have no experience with the balloon. I will say that the initial appointments to get everything set up and do the "dry run" can go on for a looong time, but the actual sessions are quick. Best of luck to you!

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited August 2009

    Hi there...I just wondered if anyone has heard of the 5 day brachytherapy with the catheters, as opposed to the balloon?  I will have the catheters placed tomorrow a.m., a ct scan on Tues (I had one last Friday to decide the placements) to see if they're a.o.k. and then radiation Thurs, Fri, and Mon - Wed. I'm excited to be done!!  Then chemo 3-4 weeks later.  Just wondered if anyone out there has had this procedure.  My dr had a former patient who volunteered to talk to me about the procedure but haven't reached her yet. They say I'm a good candidate for this therapy so I hope they're right!

  • kuchagirl
    kuchagirl Member Posts: 66
    edited August 2009

    RonnieKay, 

    I had the catheters.  I'm not very vain about my breasts, so I took a risk about the aftereffects of the catheters.  One of the rad oncs said that it might take 2 years for the breast to reach a new type of visual normal, skin-wise, and I think it's true for me, about 2.5 years out, that it looks pretty good.  There are 20 little spots, but it's not that much different than ladies who have stretch marks.  Even I don't notice the marks anymore, unless I am already thinking about them.

    My rad onc doc said that she prefers the catheters over the other 5-day treatments because she can individualize the treatment area to a much greater degree.  She says I made the right choice.

    I hope your radiation treatment is going well.  Feel free to contact me if you want to talk about anything.

    KuchaGirl

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited August 2009

    kuchagirl...

    It was great to get your reply.  I made contact with the gal that my dr gave me info about, as she'd finished brachytherapy recently.  It turned out we'd known each other 25 years ago, when our now 30 year old daughters were in preschool and kindergarten. We hadn't seen each other since, due to both of our moves.  I so value your input regarding "down the road!"  I started the 2x day radiation yesterday, Thursday. Having the catheters (25) inserted on Monday was a bit painful, even with the number of meds they had given me, but now I'm doing fine (with no pain pills as I don't like the way I feel on them). I was very happy to meet the criteria for the 5 day, which seemed somewhat extensive, and I'm surprised that most people have the balloon...which seems to have quite a few side effects (from reading posts).  Maybe I don't read about side effects to the catheters because fewer people have them.  Not that I expect any...I'm just  happy NOT to read about them :)  I trust my drs completely, they are incredibly considerate about my comfort and to be surrounded by rad oncologists and the number of physicists that are constantly making sure everything is "radioactively correct" is amazing!  Please tell me if you had any side effects that I should be aware of.  They've said fatigue would probably be all, usually after treatment.  I will start chemo about 6-8 weeks after brachy is finished.  I think it's awesome that you're sharing your experience 2 years later...hearing of your experience gives me even more hope!  Have a great day!

  • kuchagirl
    kuchagirl Member Posts: 66
    edited August 2009

    Hi RonnieKay,

    I can't say that I had any fatigue.  I mean, my tumor was indolent enough so that chemo wasn't recommended, so I did feel "oh my gosh, I'm allowing them to pour radiation in my breast!", which was stressful, but radiation was the endpoint of my treatment (except Tamoxifen).  I did feel stress during the 5 days because it's hard to not be reminded of 20 catheters in your breast and what that signifies.  But I also was praying for this cancer experience to bring me a deeper sense of spirituality and purpose, so I brought that to the Brachytherapy sessions. 

    I took a nap every day between treatments.  I ate comfort food and watched movies at night. 
    And then, soon enough, it was day 5 and the catheters came out, and it was over.  I went out to dinner with a friend.  They said, "come back in a month."  That was it.  I went back to work the next day.  I was a little cranky and easily annoyed for about a week or so, but I was open about my situation at work, and people gave me some slack. 

    My breast did seem to swell a little bit, and it was tender for maybe a month.  A dog hugged me, and ouch! it hurt.  All people hugged me gently during that time.  Other than that, I didn't have any side effects. 

    And, thanks for reminding me, I'm now 2.5 years out and I'm recurrence-free.  That's good news.

    KuchaGirl

  • windshift
    windshift Member Posts: 19
    edited August 2009

    Is the 5 day Radiation also known as Mammosite? If yes, were any of you advised that it may not be the most proven treatment if you are under 60 yrs of age? When I asked one of my docs if she would ever consider it for herself if she needed it, she replied she would absolutely consider it if she was 80 yrs or older.  Hmmm

  • kimaesha
    kimaesha Member Posts: 7
    edited August 2009

    There is this new radiation therapy, they are using breast radiation catheter. According to my source this is very effecient. Ask your doctor is this may work for you. Have A Great Day! My prayers are with you..

  • ravenruth
    ravenruth Member Posts: 13
    edited August 2009

    what is breast radiation catheter?

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited August 2009

    Back again :)

    Finished my breast brachytherapy (there are great web sites if you just type that in ravenruth) 2 weeks ago tomorrow and you're right, kuchagirl, I had very few issues with healing, other than my catheter sites, which the drs. were very pleased with.  I do notice a little swelling and tenderness but I know it will subside.  Windshift, my drs. were very positive about brachytherapy (I'm 55), which is a bit different from mammosite, I believe. The fact that the radiation is more direct, therefore not affecting the vital organs and healthy tissue, was encouraging to me. I know there's certain criteria that has to be met to be considered for this treatment but I appreciated the 5 days, as opposed to the 6-8 weeks :)  I wish the best for all...sending my prayers for health and health!!

  • dogsaver
    dogsaver Member Posts: 201
    edited August 2009

    Hi all, RonnieKay how are you healing now? Kuchagirl gives alot of great advice with her experience. I had the multicatheter technique as well. I had 22 catheters which I thought was excessive, but such is life. i finished a week ago and go for follow up visit tomorrow. Ronnie how are you healing?

  • strategyprof
    strategyprof Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2009

    I finished radiation with Contura last Friday, Aug 28. I am quite sore and tender, both internally and externally. I also seem to have pain from scar tissue. Does anyone know when I can expect to be back to normal?

  • strategyprof
    strategyprof Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2009

    My medical professionals are quite sophisticated and current. They were happy to let me have mammosite, or contura. (I ended up with Contura) And I did my own research. Based on the research, it seemed like the thing to do for me - highly targetted radiation for a very localized, noninvasive cancer. I just turned 60, had the diagnosis of DCIS on my birthday! Had a lumpectomy on Aug 12, and had the balloon radiation last week. I am quite sore and bruised from everything, but that's it.

  • dogsaver
    dogsaver Member Posts: 201
    edited September 2009

    I did multi catheter and had my catheters out on aug 21. I still have tenderness and redness but it is getting better. What has helped the most are icepacks, tylenol and aquafor healing lotion. And don't wear underwire bras. I tried yesterday and the wire areas left big red marks that took a day to go away. Stick with the surgi bra for awhile and then use soft wireless bras that are one size up from your normal size. Best wishes!

  • dogsaver
    dogsaver Member Posts: 201
    edited September 2009

    I did multi catheter and had my catheters out on aug 21. I still have tenderness and redness but it is getting better. What has helped the most are icepacks, tylenol and aquafor healing lotion. And don't wear underwire bras. I tried yesterday and the wire areas left big red marks that took a day to go away. Stick with the surgi bra for awhile and then use soft wireless bras that are one size up from your normal size. Best wishes!

  • strategyprof
    strategyprof Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2009

    Thanks! I am having trouble with a bra. I need LOTS of support but the wire kills me. My surgical bra is just too tight. Going out today to shop for something. Thanks for the tip about one size up.

    Do you have any trouble with scar tissue? I seem to have a lot, and it's painful. (PS what kind of dogs?)

  • dogsaver
    dogsaver Member Posts: 201
    edited September 2009

    They have great soft bras that are wireless but supportive. As for scar tissue try vitamin E and massage scar gently. I have a lymphnode area scar that is bugging me. My holistic doctor says he can do scar therapy after 4 months and it will oncrease mobility. I like the aquafor a lot too because my skin was a bit sensitive to vitamin e. Oh I have a pitbull dane mix, cattledog, pointer, and yellow lab :)

  • FemaraNChocolate
    FemaraNChocolate Member Posts: 1
    edited September 2009

    I did the 5 day 3D external beam in the clinical trial 3.5 years ago.  I have to say that my breast is VERY lumpy and still sometimes hurts.  My rad onc told me that has been the experience with lots of people who had the 3D beam.  I did not get burned and I had no fatigue.  I hope I did the right thing.  We'll see.  I was 58 at the time, .8 IDC, ER/PR+, no nodes, Grade 1 tumor, Oncotype score 12, tubular carcinoma.

    F&C

  • strategyprof
    strategyprof Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2009

    I finished the 5-dy routine with Contura at the end of Aug. One month later I developed a burn on my breast. The rad onc says it can't be radiation, must be infection.But two surgeons have said it isn't behaving like infection, must be radiation. Anyone else have this issue?

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited August 2010

    Hello all...I'm sure no one is checking this sight any more but I'm thinking I didn't report back on this thread due to starting chemo last year on 9/3.  Hoping all of you did well through radiation and if you had chemo...prayers that you made it through with few side effects and are healing well & living life to the fullest!  As far as my brachytherapy went...I am SO glad I did it.  I did have some radiation recall during my first 2 chemos but it was mild and knowing what it was made it tolerable. My scars, a year later, are almost completely gone.  My gynecologist found a lump in my breast during my annual exam which turned out to be scar tissue from where my brachy catheter met with my lumpectomy site. I had physical therapy where they taught me to massage the scar tissue and it has subsided. I'm also pleased that they expect less cases of lymphedema in brachytherapy patients...which for me is also less of a concern due to only having 3 nodes removed.  I'm wish all of you good health!  Other than 4 more zometa infusions over the next 2 years, I am finished with treatment and had my port out today.  Blessings!

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