How do you feel about this response???
Hi Her2 gals-
I am going to post this on the Her2 thread because I feel as if I have gotten to know so many of you on this thread and just want to get your feedback?
Ok so I am almost 1 1/2 years post dx and I am returning to work after all surgeries and treatment and we are also back in school and people are asking me, so how are you feeling and are you in Remission? Or I will comment in answer to their question I recently finished treatment for BC.... and they say oh so you are in remission. One idiot even said to me "Well I am really happy that you are ok now and for however long that lasts." (ouch)
I hate this, and I assume I am cured and won't be dealing with this again, of course as many of you know I am scared to death but somewhere deep down inside I feel that my prognosis is good and my ONC's agree. Does this happen to you, does it bother you, and do how do you respond?
Its kind of messing with me!
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In my case the people I work with acted like I WAS totally cured........like it was no big deal.......and then they go into stories about friends/family who had BC years ago and they're just fine........aunts who lived until 90, etc etc. I put on my happy face, and tell everyone the same thing, "I'm just so happy to be back at work - ANYPLACE is more fun than the hospital or infusion chair." Then I change the subject. I don't expect them to truly understand how I feel - nor do I try to educate them about how we are NEVER cured.........unless of course they ask me and show that they are familiar with Stages, Grades, hormone receptors, Her2 etc etc etc.............then the conversation can last a loooong time because I do enjoy the science-education part of this journey, strange as that may sound. For the awkward folks who are either tongue-tied or clumsy in their speech to me about BC, I forgive them...........not everyone's mother kissed the Blarney Stone and passed along her gift-of-gab genes to her offspring like mine!
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I just say I'm fine and feeling great and change the subject asap. I'm probably hoping if I say it often enough, I'll start believing it.
Nobody can understand what we go through unless they've been through it. Only my Her2 sisters on these boards understand or care about the continued physical and emotional effects we put up with (love that instant menopause and complete absense of short term memory!!!!!). What was I saying?......Oh yeah, even amoung BC survivors, I don't think the women with only DCIS can understand where we are at. Just like I am sure I am clueless about what its like to have a recurrence.
Everyone wants to be happy for us, so I try to give them that.
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Amen to all of that!
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Breast cancer has been so common in my family on both sides over the years that I wasn't surprised to have it anymore than I would have been if I didn't.... Out of all of them, only one died of bc -- she was dx'd and tx'd in the 1950's when the cancers were bigger at time of dx, and cancer was not socially acceptable so people took longer to deal with it.
I feel just as awkward if I'd never had cancer myself when I am asking another person who has been through treatment how they are doing. I'm never really sure how to go about it.
AlaskaAngel
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Hi mmm5 - As you know, I'm a teacher, and between the new hairdo, the absences, etc etc etc, most of the faculty and my kids know what's going on. Overall, everybody lets it go after "How are you doing?" Some get a "Great" and some get some more details. I can't remember anyone ever using the "R" word with me - that would definitely give me the heebie jeebies.
Quick story - when I was dx, one teacher was pretty weird - said some odd stuff about expecting me to die, etc. Anyway. . . she continued to get weirder, then suddenly quit last fall. This is a very experienced teacher in her late 50's. Last spring,a good friend of hers (although she had severed that) called me and told me that the poor woman had had a brain tumor (benign)! She later called me to tell me she was sorry - yikes!
I think most people who say awkward things just don't know what to say and aren't smart enough to just say it's great to see you and keep their mouths shut. Smile, tell them it's great to be back, and move on.
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Hi,
Part of it is language I think. When people hear the word 'remission' they think of other cancers, such as leukemia and then they think that maybe your case is a stage IV. And so many people have no understanding of the disease. Most of my family members do not know the difference between a spleen and a liver. Assume they mean well....Just tell them that your Dr thinks you are going to be just fine.
And you are!
As for me, only 2 more Herceptin treatments!
-Helena.
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Yeah Helena'
So Happy for you! Please come and post when you complete so we can cheer you on.
Thanks Her2 gals for always supporting me here, I know you all get it and it just feels so great to be able to count on that!
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mmm... we all understand!
I am a jokester by nature , so I joke about it with my clients a lot. I had more people to have to deal with at work than most. I have about 200-300 clients that have been with me for years... So.. they use the remission word.. I sad NED and explain... they say.... "when are you out of the woods".. I say " never"... I joke about dropping dead ... I joke about all this weight Ihave gained... I joke about a lot. I find it easier to deal with ALL THESE people this way. I was terrified about the exposure going into this. I own a busy Hair Salon in town and have for about 14 yrs now... so I KNEW everyone in town would know my story.. or at least what they "heard".. It took me about 6 months to deal with this part of the experience...
So...hang in there.....we are all here for ya!
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I asked my oncologist whether I was in remission or what and she said that once my surgery was completed (bilateral mastectomy) with clean margins I no longer had cancer, and that the chemo and all other treatment was preventative.
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I struggle with what to tell people too. I generally don't get asked whether I'm in remission, perhaps because I emphasized to everyone that it was found very early. I get asked something like "So it's all gone now?"
I don't think we are never cured. It is just that we never know that we are cured. Stage I after surgery, TCH chemo and rads it is probably all gone but there is the chance that some cells survived and it could recur. And one only knows if it comes back and proves that it wasn't cured.
So they ask this and I want to give them the simple answer "Yes, it's all gone" but the precise engineer part of me (and it doesn't help that I'm often asked this in a technical setting where I am very much in that mode) tends to be more precise like "Well, there is a very small possibility that it isn't but I had a very strong treatment so it's probably all gone." But I need to learn to give the more definate answer because I don't want them to think of me as a ticking time bomb.
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I just finished rads, but I think if I get the "are you in remission" question I will probably just say yes. I figure it's the easiest way to deal with people who aren't close but are concerned enough to ask how I am. People think of "remission" with cancer as "cured but we'll see if it comes back". People who are close either already know what' what or will get a beter explanation.
Leah
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Since I've gone back to work, people have told me how fantastic it is that I 'beat cancer.' I know they are trying to be supportive, but it gives me the heebie jeebies, or a feeling of dread since I know you can never say you've beaten cancer. But I don't make a big deal about it, because I know they mean well. It's easier to just move on, than to go into a long explanation about how my oncologist says it can come back anytime, even 20 years later. I have a hard enough time dealing with that in my quiet moments, let alone seeing the look of dread cross a co-worker's face! Bottom line: people think remission means cure because that's what they see on tv. We know that it sometimes doesn't work out that way... but we live in hope.
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People ask me if I'm in remission all the time--like Helena said, people think of cancer using that term. Unless you're a cancer patient, I think it's pretty unlikely you've heard "NED". So I just say "yes, I'm in remission".
I've gotten used to people's remarks and questions in the two years since I was diagnosed. What's getting to me now is that I know a couple of cancer patients--one has leukemia and one has lymphoma--who have both made a point out of saying their cancers were chronic, and implying I had nothing more to worry about down the road (w/o knowing any details of my diagnosis). I don't see the point of playing the "my type of cancer is worse than your type of cancer" game when they know nothing about my type of cancer (and I know nothing of theirs). -
mmm5, i think all the ladies give great responses. Just goes to show we're all in the same boat now. One thing i wanted to share is that I think sometimes people say or ask the wrong thing because they're scared. They may be scared it will happen to them, so they ask specific questions about you and your case so that they can try to figure out how to protect themselves. It's absolutely wrong. We didn't cause this to happen and couldn't have prevented it. It is was it is- a mystery for most.
Also, for some reason, people love bad news.. it's good talk or gossip i guess (you know who those people are) and it's probably best to say very little to them!
LittleFlower
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So many times when I have told people about my breast cancer, they say, "well you got it early didn't you?". I just look at them and say, "Nope, I am stage IV". Award silence ... but not for me just for them. It is such a personal question... they asked... I answered. I have yet had anyone follow that with ..."how much time do you have?" Alot of people are ignorant on cancer in general .. let alone how complicated breast cancer can be. So, you have to expect they may not realize what they are saying.
Jennifer
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I work in the health care field and I still hear those responses. most people jsut don't understand cancer because it is such a complex disease. they don't understand that bc has many different types/stages and tx's.
when someone asks me how I am doing I say 'so much better' and that I am 'in remission' and I say it with a smile. I don't say it's all gone because frankly I have no idea if there is a stray cell trying to take up home somewhere else in my body (and there always is that chance). that is how I feel about myself...I feel good and am so happy tx is over....it has not shown it's ugly face again, but I will always be on the lookout for it in case it does.
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Thanks to everyone for posting. This was just what I needed to read on a dreary Sunday night. I just can't sleep worrying what people will ask me and what I will respond with when I go back to work soon. For now when people ask me how I'm doing I answer "I'm upright and walking." and then I change the topic. People just don't get it who haven't been through it. I'm so tired trying to explain herceptin so I just say it's like chemo and then they go "ohh". Hugs to all of you.
Corrine.
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I work for the court system and a constable called me and said he heard that I was sick and that his mother-in-law had bc and then it came back in her bones and then her brain and now she is dead. I was shocked but managed to say to him "thanks for sharing". Another male employee told me that he knew what I was going through because his sister died of bc( all this while he was holding my hand). But the best was when we told my mother-in-law and she asked me if I wanted to be cremated or buried?????? People are morons and now that I have finished treatment, except for the herceptin which I will continue to receive until March, I have decided not to let these comments pass....I ask them why they cant share survivor stories with me and try and be encouraging. Even my hairdresser, knowing how hard it was for me to give up the wig, told me that I looked old( my hair came in white) and she would fix it for me. This was in front of 50 guests at my husbands surprise birthday party. I told her I liked my hair and that it was comforting to me because I looked like my beautiful mother every time I looked in the mirror and it was like she was still with me. ( she died 18 years ago)
So it is not you....Just consider the source and know that we all support you and know that you have a long and fulfilling life ahead.
Deb
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Ms Deb
OMG LOL LOL LOL
I just love that you shared this story!
I really have the most annoying man at work that actually challenges me on it and I took him on last week.
He has said 3x how long do they think you will be in remission? Last week he said I am glad you are able to keep at bay for the time being. DUMB%%#SS!
I looked at him and told him the Doctors believed they got the BC and no spread so for all intents an purposes I am Not expecting it back but if you are lonely for it I am happy to steer it your way. -
Great answer! What did he have to say for himself then?
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Deer in the headlights Dumb#*ss look!
I later found out that he is in the middle of a divorce, 13 year old daughter drug addict, he is on 8 different meds (2 pain killers 2 antil depressants etc) so I figured he just wanted someone to be worse off than him. I pitied him for a moment then just moved on and satisfied that I didn't let it go.People just are ignorant, and have weird agendas sometimes.
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