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  • Barbara4122
    Barbara4122 Member Posts: 31
    edited August 2009

    Linda,

    oh, I know how you feel.  I had 180cc put in during surgery (6/16) ..I was in such pain for a few weeks.I cried so much, mostly slept in a recliner with pillows under each arem. and was so miserable BUT it does get better...3 weeks or so was much better.  Take your pain meds on schedule..don't wait until you need them! Now I am glad I had the saline put in at surgery.  Less time until exchange.  Take it slow on your fills.  Patience is key.  I was SO scared at my first fill but it really didn't hurt at all.  I have 60 cc's each time.  BE SURE to take something like valium (for muscle spasms) and a pain killer BEFORE you go.  You will need them for a day or so. Last fill (my 4th) I only needed valium\percoset for fill and once again that night.  Advil was fine next day.  It does get better but requires so much patience.  I want these things out too!!

  • Angel10
    Angel10 Member Posts: 682
    edited August 2009

    To you new ladies...just want to agree with what is being said here...take your pain meds before the fact, go slowly....if you are uncomfortable or in pain let the PS know and go with less fills or more time in between fills.

    When I think of the pain and discomfort, sleeping on my back all these months when I am a side sleeper, all the anxiety... all I can think of to describe this process besides painfill, is BIZARRO!  Totally bizarre....there has got to be a better way to do this!!

    That having been said, I have my exchange planned for August 17th, glad I did not push for removal of this iron clad torture bra, and I am a much stronger woman that I realized! It helped so much to know that nearly everyone else was experiencing similiar concerns. Who ever knew before we went down this path that so many women were going through this?  Not me...and I am the 5th sister with BC!  Can't believe how stoic my sisters were...probably a good thing too. Not sure I would have opted in had I truly known, but I also contemplate that there are 10's of thousands of women who have walked this walk before us, and we CAN do this...

    Good luck and God Bless!

    Angel

  • Nebraskagrandma
    Nebraskagrandma Member Posts: 263
    edited August 2009

    Allison,

         Sorry it has been so long since I've been on the site. I was out of town last week-end and this week have been trying to get done all the things I won't be able to do after my surgery on Monday. No lifting over 5 lbs, can't raise my elbow above my shoulder. You don't realize how may times you raise your elbow above your shoulder, until you can't. For me the most annoying part post surgery was the stupid drains ! Not the taking care of them but the soreness from them and not being able to shower. I am a nurse but not a very good patient.

          Monday I am having a lift to the right breast, and nipple recon on the left from tissue from the right side. This should be my last surgery. I started keeping a journal when I was diagnosed, it's been helpful to go back and look at it. There are things I had forgotten, kinda like child birth ?

           I see that you are going to 800 cc's on your fills, I had 600 cc's and only had a left expander. I don't think of myself as a wimp, but I had enough by then. I also feel so lucky to not have had the problems some of our BC sister's have. I feel incredibly lucky that I didn't need to do chemo. I also did not appreciate what I had before I got BC. I was not real big (36 B- a C when I was on hormones) but very simetrical as my PS told me during my consult.  I am now a 38 C and that is more than fine with me.

            I told my S.O. last night I was not looking forward as much to this surgery as I was the last one (my switch out of the TE) He said "I've noticed that, I think it's because you finally started feeling real good" He's right, but I keep telling myself after 3 weeks all will be better. Maybe sooner this time.

            Keep on keeping on.........to all you great Ladies out there ! My thoughts and prayers are with you all.

    Paula

  • pkb143
    pkb143 Member Posts: 280
    edited August 2009

    I've been reading this thread carefully. I had a right Mx on 6/16 and TE's placed then. However, the plastic surgeon didn't put any saline in because I had two areas of skin with poor circulation where the top layer of skin eventually died. So I was about 3 weeks late on my first fill, which I just had this Tuesday (8/5). So far, my TE's haven't caused me a great deal of pain. Uncomfortable, YES, but painful? not so much now.

    On Tuesday, my PS put in 150 cc of saline and I'm feeling fine after that. The only thing is, he told me he anticipated putting in a total of about 1200 cc!! That sounds like a tremendous amount to me, although I am 5' 9 1/2" and going from a 38B to 38C. I suspect he would really like to make me a D due to my size but I'm having none of that. I realize it's going to get much more painful the further we progress, and although I hoped to be done by year's end since I've met out-of-pocket max on my insurance, that is probably going to be a "stretch" (pun intended). 

    Now I'm wondering if I'm going to be able to handle 1200 cc (will get another 150 cc next Thursday and probably then 75 cc weekly after that).

  • swest
    swest Member Posts: 680
    edited August 2009

    I have a question for everyone.....It has been two and a half weeks since my last fill and I am still having pain on my right side.  I only experience the pain when I touch the inner bottom part of the TE/foob.  It feels bruised but does not have the apperance of being bruised.  Also, when I'm laying in bed at night and have to get up to go to the bathroom, I get a sharp pain in my pec. muscle while trying to sit/get up.  It almost feels like a torn muscle....I think.  I've never torn a muscle so it is what I imagine it would feel like.  The good news is the pain is not constant.  Is this normal?

    Sonia

  • swest
    swest Member Posts: 680
    edited August 2009

    Pkb143 - Wow!!!  1200 cc is very large.  What size was your TE's?  I am 5' 9" and only expanded to 500cc.  I have my exchange at the end of the month and my PS is putting in 650cc silicone implants.  He swears this will get me back to a C.  Before BC I was a 36 C.

    I would recommend that you have your PS slow down on the fills.  You will have less pain with 50-60 cc fills.  I guess if you are trying to get this finished before the end of the year you may have to get more each week. 

    Sonia

  • Angel10
    Angel10 Member Posts: 682
    edited August 2009

    Patty,

    Do you know what kind of implant you are getting? On the Exchange City Post (or one of the reconstruction threads) there are links to the catalogs of implants. To be honest, I never heard of a 1200cc implant, but I was never looking for one either! I was a 38 D and wanted to go smaller....to a B, and I have 600cc implants by Allergan planned.

    Alot depends upon the size of your ribcage, and since you are taller than me (I am just shy of 5'6") you would probably need more than me....also I am 140 lbs....but there is a science to all of this.  Have you checked the other threads for more info on sizing?

    Sonia,,,,there are so many different pains in so many different areas....I too find that getting up is problematic.  There are times when I hardly notice them at all...then whammo all of a sudden one TE will feel like it is gripping me!  I can't figure it out at all. My word is BIZARRE! That is all I can say. Take pain meds as needed. This too shall pass!

    God Bless!

    Angel

  • swest
    swest Member Posts: 680
    edited August 2009

    Angel - I'm sorry you are having the gripping pains too!  But I have to say I'm relieved that I'm not alone.

    Thank you Angel!

    Sonia

  • Alitman
    Alitman Member Posts: 141
    edited August 2009

    Today is the day for my pity party - I have been here in NE for just a year and have not made many friends outside of work yet.  Since my surgery I've not gotten to do anything I had planned for myself this summer - going to concerts - visiting museums meeting new people etc...  I feel completely boxed in - I have a 19 yr old son who lives with me - he tries but he's not much of a comfort - plus we barely see eachother.  I work days and he works evenings plus he is dating and has made lots of friends.  I miss my friends from AZ and would like to start dating BUT right now that seems impossible.  All I do is work and sleep (or try to).  I am not that uncomfortable most of the time but I am just exhausted.  I have about 4 more fills and I'll be done with that.  I don't  know how long I have to wait after that til the exchange,  I just want this whole process to be over and I want a life!!!

    Thanks for listening - Allison 

  • Nebraskagrandma
    Nebraskagrandma Member Posts: 263
    edited August 2009

    Oh Allison !

               I am so sorry I have not made the move to get to know you better and meet with you ! Nebraskans are truly friendly, loving people. I am not that far from you, it would not be that hard for me to come to you. Unfornuately this is my last 2 days of freedom before I am grounded from surgery again. I have a daughter that is 32 and handicapped that is with me this week-end as after surgery on Monday I won't able to take care of her for at least 3 weeks. I usually have her every other week-end, and she lives in my house in Ralston with a care provider that used to do respite for me, when I had her full time. (sorry kinda long story of a different nature)

               I will no doubt be on the web site more than in the past after Monday. Since I won't be able to drive for awhile, I won't be running all around. Please know that your last sentence is soooooo the same thing I said many times over the past year ! You will get past this....... you will feel well again. Trust me as I read through my journal the other day, back to when I was post masectomy, I even suprised myself. It does get better !! Gotta go check on my big 2 year old :o)

    Hang in there !

    Prayers and Hugs,

    Paula

  • pkb143
    pkb143 Member Posts: 280
    edited August 2009

    Angel and swest,  I don't know what size my TE's are. To tell you the truth, I didn't realize they came in "sizes" but guess that makes sense. My PS told me Tuesday that it was 'possible, but not likely' that we'll be all done by the end of the year, so if that's the case, I won't hesitate at all to slow down if the fills get uncomfortable. We haven't discussed what size/type implant I want but I'm thinking I like the Mentor (memory gel?) moderate profile. (I don't like the beach ball look and would prefer more of a natural profile). What I'm sure about is that I do not want anything larger than a C.

    Allison, I understand what you're saying! (We all do, no doubt). This summer has been consumed with tests, doctors, labs, hospitals, etc. Actually, my life since March 16 has been that way. I haven't been swimming once (something I love to do) and haven't been out in general that much. I've neglected my backyard bird bath garden and lost interest in my Avon business because I just don't feel like it most of the time. But I'm trying hard to remember that during the course of a lifetime, this is one small blip, which will be over before we know it, or at least that's my hope....and soon we'll emerge stronger and more purposeful than ever.

  • Angel10
    Angel10 Member Posts: 682
    edited August 2009

    Allison,

    Although I do have family and friends....I so know what you mean about not doing anything I would normally do if given the time! I was laid off from my job in November, DX in Feb., and had a BMX in April, then 2 subsequent "surprise" hospital stays that had me feeling like "crap"....so I am not working for the first time since I was 13 (I am now 52) live in the most exciting city in the world...and have not visited 1 museum, gallery or play! (I did buy tickets for 2 productions...but was so sick I had to give them away!).  My exchange is next week, and if all goes well, I have to seriously start looking for a job....but I feel like I really haven't had time off!  Isn't that crazy? I want a vacation! (All paid of course!) I do want this whole process over with....but I am not sure what the next stage of my life will even look like....so I have just decided to take it one day at a time.  I try to start off each morning grateful for sooo many things that I took for granted before this....(including my DX so I could get at this thing!) and I work hard at being positive (fail miserably most of the time) but overall there is a sense that regardless of the pain and suffering...I am growing personally, spiritually and emotionally, even as I find I am interacting less with people as most would not understand this journey.

    This website is a God send...but maybe you should set just 1 goal for yourself to achieve in the next 2 weeks... 1 gallery, museum etc., and stick to it! This time will pass by very quickly...you will see, so try and do things for yourself, even if it is by yourself, and keep checking in here, keeping us posted as to what your next adventure is....do it for yourself! We will be rooting you on!

    God Bless!

    Angel

  • Angel10
    Angel10 Member Posts: 682
    edited August 2009

    And Patty B...the same goes for you too!  :)

    God Bless!

    Angel

  • pkb143
    pkb143 Member Posts: 280
    edited August 2009

    Thank you, Angel!  We all need a royal pity party once in a while, don't you think? : ) You have a great attitude, and I think everything will come together eventually.

    *If we have to, we'll make lemonade!

  • Alitman
    Alitman Member Posts: 141
    edited August 2009

    Thank you all for your encouragement - I realize now my life issues are nothing in comparison to what a lot of you have been going through and I hope I have not trivialized your struggles in any way.  I have nothing to complain about in comparison and I apologize for having a public pity party here.  I had no right to do so.  I thank you all for offering me comfort and not chastising me for my lack of compassion you are all such strong women and I will continue to learn from all of you.

    Allison

  • JaimeAndrews
    JaimeAndrews Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2009

    I actually premedicated prior to each expansion fill with valium and norco. I made my appointments in the afternoon and then spent the rest of the day and evening on the couch. The next day it wasn't very good and then it started to improve. However, I have really had pain from the expanders since the beginning even before the fills. Some people describe it as uncomfortable but I have other adjectives that I use... I am just finishing radiation (did chemo) and now have to wait 6 months for the exchange... that seems unbearable to me.

  • 4greatkids
    4greatkids Member Posts: 204
    edited August 2009

    Ladies, Don't feel bad about the occasional pity party. We all have those days. It's just hard to go through a normal life when you have these expanders in. I had a girlfriend call who she wanted to take me to her lakehouse for a weekend. My husband just couldn't understand why I declined the offer.  First of all, I have not put a bathing suit on all summer as my expanders don't really fit in one correctly, and I am 10 pounds heavier then I was 5 months ago. Plus, I just have a hard enough time sleeping in my own bed, I didn't want to deal with sleeping there.

    Hang in there all of you wonderful ladies. This too shall pass. 2 more days and my expanders are gone!!!

  • Celine
    Celine Member Posts: 82
    edited August 2009

    I wish you the best of luck ((((((((((((((4greatkids)))))))))))))))). Finally, it's going to be over. Take care. Let us know after how you are doing.

    Hi everyone, it's been awhile since my last post. I had my bmx last 4/30 and currently at 490 cc on(both sides). I felt some pressure on my last fill on my left side last week but has gone down this week. I am having my next fill this coming Friday. Same process again. Take pain and nerve pills before the fill and return after two weeks for another fill. I know it seems like why it's taking too long, but hang in there. For the newbies, it's going to be okay. It's a long process but eventually this process will end at some point. Take care......... Love you all.  Celine

  • nealeann
    nealeann Member Posts: 36
    edited August 2009

    I have a question, I had my original double mastectomy 6/5 the skin didn't heal well was debreeded (not spelled right) the next day 7/3 I was in the hospital with a 103 temp, they did surgery on both sides on 7/4 to clean out the infection.  I was in the hospital for 5 days with IV antibiotics and sent home on antibiotics for a little over a month more. My right side has always been redder and bigger then the left, last Monday after a month my right side drain tubes were down to 20 cc and could be taken out, when I saw my PS  he said things looked good and not to worry. This AM I woke up with a wet spot about the size of a dinner plate on my bed from laying on that side.  I was oozing from a little spot in the incision.  It looks like the liquid that was in my drains and doesn't have an odor. My saintly husband put new skin and a bandaid over it and it seems to have stopped. Has anybody else oozed like this?  Thanks I know it is a long story.

  • Angel10
    Angel10 Member Posts: 682
    edited August 2009

    Nealeann,

    That has never happened to me...but I am so impressed that you were able to lay on your side!!  I have not been able to do that since my BMX in April....and am dying to as I have always been a side sleeper!

    If your drains were just taken out, then you would still have an open incision, but I would call your PS in the AM if you are still concerned, or if you think they are still draining out of you in an excessive manner.

    Good luck and bless you!

    Angel

  • Nebraskagrandma
    Nebraskagrandma Member Posts: 263
    edited August 2009

    Allison,

        No need to apologize for a pity party, I think we've all been there more than once. If verbalizing it here helps then by all means, unload...........I have been lucky enough to have family and friends close by, and have been at the same job for 12 years. I can read in my journal three days in a row that all I wrote was "sick" that's all I could manage to put on the page.

         Tomorrow is another day, it does get better. One day you'll be able to sleep on your side again and maybe even lay on your stomach. It will seem like heaven......... for me tomorrow will (hopefully) be my last surgery. So it's back to sleeping in the recliner for awhile and on my back for many weeks to come, but 9 months since my last surgery "the exchange" I now know that time does help.

    Blessings to all of you,

    Paula

  • pkb143
    pkb143 Member Posts: 280
    edited August 2009
    Allison, I agree wholeheartedly with nebraskagrandma. No need whatsoever to apologize! If we need to whine, vent, shout, screen, cry, moan, groan or whatever, then we should! Whatever it takes to get us through this....
  • KarenLazarovitz
    KarenLazarovitz Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2009

    Okay, you want complaining, you got it.LOL.  I have had constant discomfort and pain since these stupid expanders have been in and I go for a fill tomorrow morning.  I'm dreading it.  The last fill 3 weeks ago killed. I know that it's not going to be pleasant but I'm pretty stressed about it.  I went back to work a month ago and I was fine until my last fill.  Since then, I'm feeling pretty broken.  I have taken days off from work when the pain is not tolerable at work.  i'm considering going back on sick leave during this reconstruction process becuase I am creating extra stress for myself when I miss days.  I'm not used to having to cater to my pain. :(  I guess I feel that I shouldn't complain becuase I am lucky to not have been faced with cancer, just the stupid BRCA2 gene.  I know that it's short term pain for long term gain but I guess I'm feeling very overwhelmed today. Somedays i feel like I walked into the hospital healthy and walked out broken.  Has anyone else managed to work through the pain until the exchange surgery?  I don't know some days how I can get out of bed becuase mornings suck! 

    Thanks for letting me vent.  I think that you women are beautiful and courageous.  Thank God for this forum or I would feel so alone

    xo

  • DomeGal
    DomeGal Member Posts: 58
    edited August 2009

    Didn't even realize what the "pain" was all about until my first fill which was one week after my surgery for BX.  Had one injection on each side....the second fill which was 8/7 was double the amount and I have had some pain, some shooting pains, but nothing too unbearable.  I did take a Vicodin this afternoon and will try to take a nap.  My most annoying problem with all of this besides not having my own breasts, is not being able to fully use my right arm which 10 of the lymph nodes were removed.  It is really hard to stay positive, but I think that we need to keep informed from this site and our medical providers to help others.  I, for one, am looking for a new, perky set when this is all over, which for me will be next summer due to chemo and radiation.  I am not going to give in to this....I have climbed Half Dome in Yosemite 3 times and I will not allow cancer to dictate my life.  I am going to try to work chemo around my work schedule, because I miss work, my workmates and a normal life.  Don't get me wrong....I have really bad days where I cry and cuss at my fate, but I am still not going to quit.  Good luck to all of us ladies who did not choose this, but are going through the course.

  • swest
    swest Member Posts: 680
    edited August 2009

    Karen - I am so sorry you are having so much pain!  I was filled 50 cc every week.  That was not bad at all.  Can your PS slow down and put less in?  I think if you tell him/her how painful this is for you they may adjust your fills.

    Hugs sent to you!

  • KarenLazarovitz
    KarenLazarovitz Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2009

    Thanks swest,

    I happen to have a fantastic PS and he will put in whatever I feel I can handle but I have a feeling that whatever amount it is will be painful.  I just want this part over with already, I figure, deal with the pain and a shorter tissue expander process, LOL.  I guess I'm a sucker for punishement.  I think that being at work is adding to my stress level because I have not been very dependable. 

    My last fill was 80, before that was 90 both times, I think maybe I'll ask him to put in 50 and see what happens, I don't know how my poor broken foobs will stretch any more.  I'm at 360 right now and i think he wants to go until 500 cc.

    Hugs sent righ back to you

    xo

  • 4greatkids
    4greatkids Member Posts: 204
    edited August 2009

    Karen- I think you really need to just take one day at a time. Looking at the big picture was way too overwhelming to me. Once your are done with your fills, your pain should ease off. Although you will know that the expanders are there, they become more tolerable. Even the terrible morning pains will go away. Also, try not to dread your fill. All of mine were completely different. Some were awful, some not so bad at all. If you are having a hard time ask your PS to slow down with your fills, and remember to do your stretches, especially after the fills as it does help.

  • nealeann
    nealeann Member Posts: 36
    edited August 2009

    Take heart Ladies,

    I just had 140cc in both sides to try and close up the spaces that are producing saranoma I am almost done. My PS assures me that the exchange is one surgery that we will come out of feeling much better then we went in.  Something we can all look forward too.  There will be an end

    God Bless us All

  • sandy1964
    sandy1964 Member Posts: 14
    edited August 2009

    Hi ladies, well here I am again.  The aspirations seemed to help for awhile but now redness has come back and hot again.  PS has aspirated me several times and now I am having surgery again on Friday to clean and drain left breast and put in drains again.  I still haven't had a fill yet and it's been over two months.  Hopefully after surgery things will get better and I can start getting my fills.  You guys are so supportive and I know that I'm not alone when I have my pity parties - I know you understand.  Thanks for your support.  Third times a charm - as they say!

  • KarenLazarovitz
    KarenLazarovitz Member Posts: 17
    edited August 2009

    Thanks for the advice 4greatkids.  I always get ahead of myself.  I've off to the PS today, I"ve taken the day off of work and my hubby is driving me there so I am planning on coming home and trying to sleep.

    I'll keep you posted.  I can do it

    xo

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