Choice of treatment center

ira99
ira99 Member Posts: 16
edited September 2016 in Just Diagnosed

Hello:

A close relative of mine was just diagnosed with breast cancer. Testing process is ongoing this week to ascertain if it's Stage 3 or Stage 4. Testing is being done in Maryland, where she is now vacationing. But she resides in New York City, and this is where the treatment will take place.

She has a positive attitude which bodes well. She very much wants to be in charge of her treatment modalities as a highly educated medical consumer. She'd like the benefits of complementary medicine, but also appreciates the scientific advances of recent years.

The staff where the testing is now underway highly recommend the  Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York above the other centers here and are putting pressure on her to seek treatment there. But she herself  prefers Maimonides Hospital, which is in NYC as well. The latter is also much closer to her home, which might make the process less stressful. Maimonides Hospital has an excellent reputation in oncology, but it seems Sloan Kettering overshadows it in worldwide reputation.

Questions:

1)  How much weight should be placed on the recommendations of the staff at that Maryland center in terms of the preferred treatment hospital?

2)  If Maimonides is chosen, can she make use of some of those top notch professionals at Sloan Kettering if some impasse, conflict, or "grey area" should emerge down the line? Can experts in a same- city hospital be called upon in such circumstances, or is each treatment center "totally autonomous" in this regard?

3)  Is there some source beyond this forum to gain more independent information on the relative merits of these two places?

Thanks in advance for your help:

-ira

Comments

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited August 2009

    When I was diagnosed first place i called was Sloan Kettering, I live about 30 minutes away from NY City. But at the end I decided to stay local and I know I made the right decision for me because it would have caused lot of stress going for tests,etc. This is a long journey.

    Good luck to her no matter where she choose to go.

    Best Wishes

    Cool Sheila Cool

    PS: Having a positive attitude ( I can relate to her %100 ) is a very important factor.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited August 2009

    Ira ~  Those in the medical community will tell you that there is a difference between NCI-designated hospitals and everything else.  That difference is based on 2 things. (1) They see a lot more breast cancer than other facilities; and (2) They teach it, so have to stay totally up on what is happening, and are often at the forefront of research themselves.

    http://cancercenters.cancer.gov/cancer_centers/map-cancer-centers.html

    When I was dx'd with bc, I started out at a very fine, very convenient local hospital with a highly esteemed breast surgeon.  But when my diagnosis suddenly became a bit complex, I went to UCLA (3 hrs. away) for a second opinion, and was rather shocked to see how much more thorough they were about evaluating my individual situation.  They contradicted some of the treatment plans that had already been recommended for me earlier, and they had far superior reconstruction options to what I could have had locally.

    So, based on my personal experience -- which may vary greatly from someone else's -- I am very high on using an NCI-rated facility such as MSK.  Also, although I had a second surgery @ UCLA, I had chemo and radiation locally, guided by UCLA's recommendations.  In fact, UCLA wanted me to be close to home for both of those elements of my treatment, and they went above and beyond to work with my local doctors.

    I would think your relative should consider at least getting a second opinion at MSK. That way she will have their input and can decide for herself where she prefers to have treatment. 

    Good luck to her!    Deanna

  • ira99
    ira99 Member Posts: 16
    edited August 2009

    Thank you kindly Sheila and Deanna for helping clarify this.

    dlb823  writes:

    "So, based on my personal experience -- which may vary greatly from someone else's -- I am very high on using an NCI-rated facility such as MSK. Also, although I had a second surgery @ UCLA, I had chemo and radiation locally, guided by UCLA's recommendations. In fact, UCLA wanted me to be close to home for both of those elements of my treatment, and they went above and beyond to work with my local doctors. "

    ============================

    Just to make sure I understand, Deanna : You're saying that although your treatment was at a more local treatment facility, you were able to make use of the expertise of the professionals at the NCI-rated facility?

    In other words

     If  she opts for primary treatment at Maimonides , she can still get the benefits of the renowned experts at Memorial Sloan Kettering [MSK], the NCI-rated facility , which is about an hour or so drive  from there?  That there's a good chance theyd be willing to work with the practitioners at the facility closer to home?  As well as get second opinions when there's questions about a decision?

    -ira

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited August 2009

    Ira ~  I would suggest that she sets up appointments at both facilities.  Usually if you go to the NCI-designated facility for a second opinion, that will give you a pretty good idea if your first choice facility (Maimonides in this case) is on target with their recommended treatment plan.  If they are, then she can use Maimonides with peace of mind that they're doing exactly what MSK would do.  If there is a discrepency in recommendations, she can decide which facility/doctors she prefers.

    I'm sure women who have been treated either wholly or in part at MSK can weigh in on exactly how they work, but from what I know about other NCI-designated facilities, they're the experts docs at smaller hospitals call to consult with when they have questions.  But I think that also depends very much on the doctor(s), so best to ask them how they would feel about input from MSK if she should want it at any point in her treatment.  My situation wasn't exactly like your relatives.  I had a major surgery and followup appointments with oncology and radiation oncology @ UCLA but chose to do chemo and rads closer to home because of logistics/distance.  That's not quite the same scenario as your relative would have if she opts for Miamonides from the start.    Deanna

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  • ira99
    ira99 Member Posts: 16
    edited August 2009

    dlb823 

    "I'm sure women who have been treated either wholly or in part at MSK can weigh in on exactly how they work, but from what I know about other NCI-designated facilities, they're the experts docs at smaller hospitals call to consult with when they have questions. But I think that also depends very much on the doctor(s), so best to ask them how they would feel about input from MSK if she should want it at any point in her treatment"

    ======================

    Thanks again, Deanna.

    Would be informative to hear from women treated at either facility

    In the meantime, I'll try to get through to the oncology department at Maimonides tomorrow and simply ask if theyre open to input from MSK experts if issues arise.

  • Sue-61
    Sue-61 Member Posts: 599
    edited August 2009

    Ira, I was treated at Dana Farber Cancer Insitute in Boston, MA. Their website had all the info about the doctors who practice there. Here is an interesting website that might help in deciding on a specific doc. Some of the docs do not have complete profiles, but I picked for myself the chief of breast cancer surgery dept. And it was a good choice. In this website, the docs need to be looked up by State. www.docboard.org/docfinder.html

    Good luck. Sue

  • ira99
    ira99 Member Posts: 16
    edited August 2009

    dlb823 wrote:

    "I'm sure women who have been treated either wholly or in part at MSK can weigh in on exactly how they work, but from what I know about other NCI-designated facilities, they're the experts docs at smaller hospitals call to consult with when they have questions. But I think that also depends very much on the doctor(s), so best to ask them how they would feel about input from MSK if she should want it at any point in her treatment"

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    Called Maimonides Oncology Dept. Receptionist there answered that patients there can have input from Memorial Sloan Kettring if they seek it.

    -ira

  • kellyless
    kellyless Member Posts: 68
    edited August 2009

    I started at a large local hospital with a highly esteemed breast surgeon in private practice - had a rotten experience both with the hospital and the surgeon, who seemed very distracted and overbooked - and not very concerned about anything.  Went for a 2nd opinion a the local teaching hospital (UT Southwestern) and was blown away by the difference.  My friend that suggested I go there said "it's like the doctors at "Fancy Hospital" are trying to make their Ferrari payments, and the UT doctors are trying to cure cancer".  After having experienced both I whole heartedly agree!  So thorough and caring, never rushed, eager to answer questions even if the answer requires research.  And all of my docs work TOGETHER - radiologist, breast surgeon, medical oncologist and radiation oncologist.  They actually speak to each other about me, share my medical records (which are online - it's AWESOME).  I now feel like I have a great team of healers working to cure me and keep me cured.

  • pshelton
    pshelton Member Posts: 140
    edited August 2009

    Ira99,

     I am having my treatment and all my surgeries have been at the Univ. of Maryland.  I couldn't be more pleased in how this process has gone and how I've been taken care of.  The breast center recently received another accreditation that only a handful of hospitals have received.  My entire team makes me feel like I am their only patient, I know I am not but my oncologist, my plastic surgeon, even my surgical oncologist have called me at home to check on me.  I have all their emails and they respond same day.  They listen to my opinion and I am a part of all the decision making processes...I feel so fortunate to be here...plus it is a NCI designated cancer center, makes a big difference...

    Its hard to know where to go and who will be the best fit, a lot of people I've met here and on the Komen site have gone for 2nd opinions.  I think its a very personal decision and there has to be trust between patient and the team...

    Paula 

  • femme
    femme Member Posts: 262
    edited August 2009

    Although I had a good attitude, I had a very bad outcome at Weill Cornell/NY Presbyterian Hospital,  Memorial Sloan Kettering picked up the pieces. I would highly recommend a hospital that had the best surgeons and current information on treatment. Go with a NCI facility like Memorial Sloan.

  • me1ani
    me1ani Member Posts: 38
    edited August 2009

      I had a unilateral mastectomy at Sloan Kettering last Wednesday (lwas discharged after 24 hours) and my doctor, a preeminent women bc surgeon, left for vacation after my surgery and no one, not even a nurse from her office or Sloan has even bothered to call to check in on me since I've been home. She may have been competent and pleasant in person but her humanistic skill set is lacking big time.
     
      Been waiting for the path report and they firmly stated only 7 working days to get the results. Now they're saying, oops, we meant ten days. I called in pain and vomiting from the vicodin and they didn't have a single shred of advice to give me about how to ameliorate my opioid nausea (the girls on this discussion board had great advice). When I called the MSKCC path dept to inquire how I may get a copy of my report as soon as its issued they said " by written request only"....I told them its my report and I needed it faxed asap, I didn't want to wait two weeks --the gum cracking bim who answered the phone said and I quote: "I TOLD YOU we don't do that what more do you want from me and are we done here?"...Unbelievable.
     
    I don't need hand holding, just a display of confidence inspiring involvement.
     
     
     
      
  • femme
    femme Member Posts: 262
    edited August 2009

    me1ani -

    Your story is similar to what happened to me at Weill Cornell.  Among my many medical complications, I was left with significant limitations regarding future plastic surgery.

    The most important negative issue regarding my experience at W-C  and yours at MSKCC is the lack of compassion and humanity in the staff members that we've encountered, from some doctors down to some auxiliary personnel.  Although the hospital staff is supposed to be part of the edifice of healing, they have been sadistic on occasion, dismissive, tried to disassociate themselves from their mistakes and seem to be unable to empathize with the terror of our diagnosis and treatment.

    I have to believe there is a special place in the afterlife for them 

  • me1ani
    me1ani Member Posts: 38
    edited August 2009

     Femme,
     
     It keeps getting better. I called the surgeons office to remind them about getting me my path report asap and the next day the surgeon called me and left me a voice mail. She said "50% of your node is clear so far, so you can relax..... a bit."  I'll be on vacation another week- thanks"....Her number was blocked so I couldn't call her back with the ten questions I had. I called back her office and her staff was indignant. The nurses told me ..."she was nice enough to call you while she was on her vacation what more did you want? My appt to take out my drain is scheduled for next Tuesday and the surgeon told me presurgery she would meet with me then. Her nurses said, whoops, she'll be out of town after all.
     
    So if my node (they only took out one- apparently everything only drained into one node!) ends up clear and I don't have traditional chemo (AC/T) but end up perhaps on an Aromatase or Tamoxifin, who manages my case from here? Do I need to find an oncologist? What about a prosthetic fitting? What about checkups? Essentially I can arrive at my own answers to all these questions but I feel like I was hung out to dry. 
  • femme
    femme Member Posts: 262
    edited August 2009

    Me1ani

    You have to be an advocate for yourself.  You will put one foot in front of the other and ask for an oncologist, a fitter for a prothesis and on and on.  Let things fall in place as best you can.  The people you are dealing with don't get it.  Maybe you should tell your doctor when she returns, that you need more compassionate committed care.  Maybe you should tell her that unless you get it from her, you will leave her practice.  Hang in there.

    By the way, my diagnosis was given to me by a nurse who first said "all is well,"  and then said "oops..." The doctor who was to give me the path report was surprisingly "away."  What do these people have where their heart is supposed to be? 

    You will survive and persevere through all this.  I did. 

  • me1ani
    me1ani Member Posts: 38
    edited August 2009

    Thanks. I know I will get everything done that needs to be-I am always the advocate...just tired of being constantly disappointed by the medical profession. 
     
    I try to temper my expectations but I've had quite this lifetimes fill with bad pediatricians, veterinarians and now this.
     
     
    Me1ani 
  • Nanpop
    Nanpop Member Posts: 75
    edited September 2016

    where can I find updated posts on this topic?

    I am not sure how to navigate through this website.

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    edited September 2016

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