July 2009 rads group

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  • MsDebS
    MsDebS Member Posts: 36
    edited August 2009

    Jennifer....is that the bi-fosenate study?  I agreed to be part of that study also.  I just finished day 15 of 33 of rads.  I figure that if this study is correct it will also give me greater odds of no recurrence.  I got the arm of the study that is 2 pills daily in the morning( they are Huge!) but since I have the port, I would have been okay with infusion as well.

    Deb

  • Dawnmrn1
    Dawnmrn1 Member Posts: 446
    edited August 2009

    Irishred!  I too have muscle spasms , I have had them since my bilat MX!  They got worse during chemo, my onc said taxotere, causes them, then they let up before rads, and have started again, it seems worse at night, but I think the more I move around the better off I am! If they are bad at night I take some advil and it helps somewhat!  Good luck! Dawn

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited August 2009

    I've had some muscle spasms also.  My onc told me that they are from taxotere.  Rads only takes a few minutes and my letgs have a cushion underneath them so it takes the pressure of my back for a little bit.  I only have one left, you will get through it.

  • Irishred
    Irishred Member Posts: 136
    edited August 2009

    Well since I am not taking any meds, that doesnt explain mine.  I still think its from being in the "position" too long each time, shouldnt be more than 15 min, and mine are all 30-45 min.  And I am on a hard table, no cushions anywhere.  I think having to hold the arm that they took the nodes out of isnt happy being in that position for that long.  We''ll see.

  • earthandie
    earthandie Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2009

    Had #15 of 30  yesterday - glad to be at the halfway mark!!! Woohoo!  My skin is red, painful, and itchy.  My nipple is at least double the size.  I gave up the bra last wk - still feel like i need some support, but the cami's are all too tight under my arm along my node scar - dealing with it.   But all is a small price to pay if this works!!!!!!

    I haven't had muscle spasms from this, but in general arnica montana (homeopathic) helps tremendously with muscle issues - check w/your health food store.

     Congrats to everyone who finished this week!!!

    Love and happy weekend to all~

  • ibjennifer125
    ibjennifer125 Member Posts: 57
    edited August 2009

    Yes that's the study I am in. I will be having the IV and I had my first one last Monday. I agreed to to the study because from what I read  I could only benefit from it. I was hoping for the pill form. I have a mediport too but I won't for the next 3 years. I'm sick of Iv's and needles.  Right now I get one IV a month for 6 months and then one every three months after that. I was concerned with side effects as I am also " side effected" out, but they seem minimal, however this morning I awoke with my bones aching something terrible - like when I was on taxol. I am wondering if it wasn't caused by the IV I had last Monday or worse, now that I think with a cancer victim mentality, bone cancer.

    13 rads left!

  • dkhancock1948
    dkhancock1948 Member Posts: 433
    edited August 2009
    Irishred:  I didn't have spasms, but my shoulder blades and between them was very painful.  Before my skin was really sore from the rads, I had about 3 massages just for my shoulders and he tried to work on the muscles of my sternum.  Those muscles were tight from the mx.  Oddly enough, the tight spots were on the side of my neck.  It was a therapeutic massage and painful while he was massaging my neck, but it made a world of difference with being able to keep my arms up over in head in the form they made.
  • Ainm
    Ainm Member Posts: 781
    edited August 2009

    Three days post rads!!! I'm keeping up the camomile and aqeous cream - skin is pink and tight it may be a good thing that I don't have feeling there. The bolus to the scar has resulted in the scar becoming like a marker line drawn in darker pink.

    Cathey - where I did my rads they were very helpful. There was a kind of mold on the treatment table with support for under your knees. I wasn't lying flat the mold held me in a semi upright position and there were supports for my arms. The techs always asked if I needed any help raising my arms.  My physio had told me that if I had any pain in my arm during rads I should take a pain killer about an hour before rads to help me get through the rads - I never had to but perhaps you could ask  you dr if this would help you. Be sure to tell them at your simulation about your concerns and ask them to work with you towards your comfort - remember all this is suppose to be for your benefit, don't be shy about putting yourself first. Best of luck to you.

    Hope you are all doing well - considering the wet summer we have had the bit of sunburn I got from rads is about as close to sun I got!!!!

    Take care.

  • ravenruth
    ravenruth Member Posts: 13
    edited August 2009

    what is stimulation before radiation therapy mean. I am waiting to go see my radiation person to schedule my 6 weeks of radiation. I am scared also

  • O3132W
    O3132W Member Posts: 211
    edited August 2009

    ravenruth:    I just posted a new thread under radiation forum asking some questions about Simulation.  I have not gone through it yet but I have been told that it is simply an extra great Xray.  Unlike the older xrays the CT scan is state of the art and get the best xray pictures of the interior of the breast.  This new type of xray is used to determine exactly where the radiation rays should be directed and focuses on specific areas which are drawn on your breast like a map and by the time the simulation is finished the techs have put some pinpoints on your breast which will be used to direct the radiation treatments for the future.   I am probably not the best person to answer you but maybe someone will explain their experience to you.  I am not afraid of this procedure however you must hold still with your arms above your head while the doughnut shaped CT scan machine slowly passes over your body.    I will be having my simulation Tuesday Aug 4 and I will try to post my experience thereafter.  Good luck!

  • Dawnmrn1
    Dawnmrn1 Member Posts: 446
    edited August 2009

    Hi All!  The mapping is done before rads, they mark with a tatoo certain points where the rads will be given, this is the result of a Cat scan. My rads center has a Cat Scan right in the TX room. In my case this mapping was done a month prior to rads, then the day befor rads I had a simulation where they just checked my positioning and marks for accuracy, then the next day I started.  The positioning is easy, they have arm rest over your head and the table has thin pads and a knee bolster. I am on the table about 15 mins per day!I have completed 9 out of 33 Rads, with no SE.

    Good Luck to all!  It is doable! Dawn

  • Snappygoddess
    Snappygoddess Member Posts: 91
    edited August 2009

    I just finished 28 out of 33 Friday.. all I have left next week are my boosts!! My skin is dark pink, no blistering, no breaking...I credit it to using aquaphor, calendula tea therapy and Aloe-Esta cream. I started the aquaphor the first week of rads as recommended by my radiologist... and I have been very fortunate that my skin area has not been to bad. I swear by the calendula tea applications and aquaphor!!

    Best of luck to all still going through rads and congrats to those who are finishing up!!

    Cathey....my techs put a sponge pillow under both of my shoulders when I get zapped...it really helps take a lot of pressure off of my arms... and I get a mold under my legs and that helps take pressure off the small of the back.,  Good luck hon!!

  • jdeking
    jdeking Member Posts: 408
    edited August 2009

    Yay for everyone getting close to finishing!

    Good luck to all just getting ready to start. It seems so scary and endless in the beginning, but belive it or not, time actually flies by. You get very used to the routine and after awhile it seems like nothing.

    I have #20 of 34 today. I have gotten pretty pink and itchy. I had my onc look at my rash last week, and he is flummoxed. He doesn't think it is from rads, but has decided to call it a "sweat rash". That is possible, as it has been extra hot this summer, and I have started back at the gym. He doesn't want me to do much with it now, other than keeping it clean and dry. I will ask rad onc today for his opinion.

    Fatigue has not been bad, but I have trouble sleeping. Anyone else? I go to sleep ok, but wake up often during the night, often for an hour or more. If I get 3-4 hours per night, it is a good night.

     Happy rads to all this week - we are nearing the finish line!

    Janine

  • LoriL
    LoriL Member Posts: 185
    edited August 2009

    Janine- I'm having the same sleep issues! I go to sleep fine, and then wake up about 2 hours later. Usually I'm absolutely STARVING when I wake up during the night! I think the radiation must be increasing my already high metabolism- I'm guessing that the body uses a lot of energy trying to repair all of the damage that the rads are doing. Anyway, I wake up get a snack, and then I'm awake for a few more hours. It's frustrating!

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited August 2009

    I'm not having any sleep issues.  But just a thought though.  Are you guys having a nap during the day?  Just thinking that if you are, that may contribute as to why you are having some sleepless nights.  One more rad left for me and then I'm done.  YAHOO!

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited August 2009

    Sometimes I nap during the day and sometimes I don't. But I am having the same sleep issues - wake frequently during the night and sometimes can't fall asleep again for a long time. However, it's better than it was during chemo so I still see it as an improvement. I have done 19 out of 25 -- 6 more to go.

  • Becky613
    Becky613 Member Posts: 25
    edited August 2009

    I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this...I am very close to being finished with rads.  Today will be #28 out of  a total of 35 with the last 7 being the boost.  Except for the expected pink/red color I think I've done well, except I have developed a nipple crack, right at the base of the nipple and the areola.  Much like when I breastfed my last child 24 years ago.  Any suggestions on ways to help it heal fast?  I have been using a lavender burn salve since the beginning of treatments and I am awaiting the arrival of Miaderm.  I react to the preservatives found in the Fruit of the Earth aloe and the aloe gel recommend by the center.  Any suggestions appreciated.  Thanks...Becky

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited August 2009

    jdeking, I have seen other people post the same thing you said about getting used to going to rads and it becoming routine. Unfortunately, it hasn't happened. It seems to get harder for me. I had a long weekend, and when I had to go back yesterday it was all I could do to get in the car to go. Only 6 more to go; it can't be soon enough for me.

    I'm having a similar sleep issue as some of you. For me what happens is that I'm extremely tired but when I get in bed I can't fall asleep. There are times that I lie there for hours.

    Good news too - my daughter is moving tomorrow, so we have her kids for a couple of days. Grandchildren are pure joy.

    Leah

  • rreynolds1
    rreynolds1 Member Posts: 450
    edited August 2009

    Hi Becky,

    I ordered a product online call "My Girls" which is specifically designed for radiation patients.  It is a heavy cream and can't be used within 4 hours of treatment.  I was 4 weeks into my treatments when I ordered it because my breast was very sore and my nipple was looking pretty bad.  I glob it on after my treatment and again before bed and have see a huge difference.  I'm having my 5 boosters over the scar which happens to be on the top edge of my nipple.  I would have been a mess without it.  You can find it on the internet under Lots To Live For or type in My Girls radiation cream.  They got it to me in 3 days.  I also use Neutrogena Moisurizing Shower Gel to wash my breast.

    Good luck!

    Roseann

  • nwood450
    nwood450 Member Posts: 110
    edited August 2009

    Hi Everyone,

    Back after a wonderful weekend in Baltimore with the Red Sox!  Boy ... I'm dead-dog tired!  It was so much fun and felt good to let my hair down... oh wait ... I still don't have hair!  Thank God for my Red Sox cap!!!

    Started back to work today for the first time since March.  Very emotional but good to see everyone.  I'm trying so hard to get back to the "new normal".  I have 6 more treatments to go.  I agree with you, Leah, it doesn't get easier for me either.  The closer I get to the finish line, the less and less I want to go. Breast is getting redder by the day and very, very itchy.  Of course this heat that we're having here doesn't help.

     Between starting work this week and the big weekend, it's going to take one heck of a nap to recover!!! 

    Hugs to all,

    Nancy

  • MsDebS
    MsDebS Member Posts: 36
    edited August 2009

    I too have the sleep problem.  I am so tired....then I lay there and cant sleep and when I do finally get to sleep, I wake up in a couple of hours and cant go back.  I have to get up at 5:15 am to get to rads by 7.  I think it is going pretty fast...going to work every day helps but I start to crash about 4 so I asked the Judge if I can work through lunch and go home a little early and rest.  Today was day 16 out of 33 and I am a little pink and itchy and I noticed that my nipple is so much darker than the other one and very sensitive.  I am just using Fruit of the Earth aloe and so far so good.  I see the Dr tomorrow.  I have had to become very obsessive compulsive in order to remember to get things done.  I think I still have chemo brain even though I am only on Herceptin every 3 weeks.  If I dont do things in order...the same way every day...I forget.  I have sticky notes all over the house, car and office.  Hope this is only temporary.

    Deb

  • dkhancock1948
    dkhancock1948 Member Posts: 433
    edited August 2009

    I finished my rads last Friday.  They had used the bolus on me from day 1 and everyday.  I had 28 tx.  Since they used the bolus as much as they did, they didn't do the boosts.  A week ago, an area on my neck looked like a floor burn.  My chest was a medium pink.  Last Monday was the last time they used the bolus.  They zapped me without it the last 4 times.  I only had 2 zaps done on me last Friday.  It was really quick.  Since Friday, the area on my neck and shoulder, as well as my chest area is red with my mx scar and under my arm a deep purple.  I had a regular checkup today and my doc said it would probably continue getting more red the rest of this week.  I told her that yes, I am now sore and quite itchy.  I had been doing well until last week.  None of the creams they gave me or that I have help.  I slather on the Radia-Guard cream about every 1 1/2 hours and my skin still feels like elephant skin.  I hear it gets better the the second week out.  I am glad.  Other than that, I feel pretty good. 

    I also had sleeping problems.  One week I only slept about 1 night.  I was really, really tired.  Of course, they say it isn't because of rads.  I was on Adevan, then 2 different sleeping pills.  Each one was worse than the one before.  I told my rad doc that I was going to get Melatonin, which I did.  It helped tremendously.  She also suggest I eat a turkey sandwich close to bedtime.  That also helped.  I feel really good if I sleep 4 straight hours.  Much better than none.  I wonder what the rads do to our bodies to interfere with sleep.

    CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL WHO WILL FINISH THIS WEEK!!!

  • carollynn79
    carollynn79 Member Posts: 654
    edited August 2009

    I too am having sleep problems.  I had 16 of 33 today.  The Rads onc said the sleep issue, the sore chest, the "foggy" brain are from the rads. He says others have complained about the same thing.  He suggested I try a glass of wine in the evening, or take tylenol pm which I cannot due to the tamox.  He said if the sleep issue contiues he will prescribe something.  It sounds as if everyone has different SE's but many in common.  This too shall pass, soon I hope!  I am very red already can't wait until I am done.

  • Becky613
    Becky613 Member Posts: 25
    edited August 2009

    Hi Carollynn79,

    I'm also taking Tamox.  What is the issue with Tylenol PM and it?  I haven't heard anything about that.  I don't usually take it anyway as it doesn't work.  My sleep seems to be no worse than before rads.    Personally I like ambien and it's about the only thing that allows me to sleep since I figured out the insomnia was most likely related to menopause since that's when it started. 

    Becky

  • lollys
    lollys Member Posts: 205
    edited August 2009

    Hi all-- I meet with another rad. onc. today to have a list of questions answered--still havent decided on radiations yet as it remains my choice ( see above I am in the gray zone )  still recovering from my last chemo--but doing ok--some neuropathy from the taxol--not bad-- looks like most of you have had lumpectomies is there anyone who is getting rads who had mastectomies and implants--my plastic surgeon feels I could very well have deformities and contractures from rad. I thought I investigated that before i had implants put in at time of surgery but obviously I messed up on that--feeling frustrated, confused and just dont know which way to go--no one can tell me what to do--so I willl make my decision this week and hopefully feel good about what ever i do--just scared of complications of lympedema, contractures of breast chronic fatigue and future cancers--if i wasnt given the choice i would just do what i needed to  but one dr. says I dont need to do rads. others say do everything--I have been aggressive so far--double mastectomy and aggressive chemo for 4 months --yeck I hate decisions --hope everyone is doing well--stay strong--will keep you all posted but if anyone has any input that would be great --Lolly

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited August 2009

    Good Morning All,

    I'm excited!  Today is my last day for rads.  I'm getting ready to go!!!  I'll check back with you all later!

    All the best!

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited August 2009

    To Kim40 and dkhancock, congratulations on finishing rads! Hope all your skin issues resolve real soon.

    lollys, I had a mast (single) but no reconstruction so I don't have experience with rads and implants. I have seen that there is a thread about this, I think it's called "Radiation with tissue expander" or something similar. For me the decision was not in a gray area - I had 6 lymph nodes involved.

    I'd also like to know about the tylenol pm and tamox. Also, does anyone know if other meds are out with tamox?

    Leah

  • LoriL
    LoriL Member Posts: 185
    edited August 2009

    Hi girls!

    22 down, 8 to go... yeah! About the Tamoxifen and Tylenol PM.... I'm a NP and just looked it up in my handy little drug interaction manual and it says, "Cautioned advised as combination with diphenhydramine (the "PM" component) may decrease active tamoxifen metabolite levels, efficacy."

    So, basically, it looks like dephenhydramine (or brand name Benadryl) decreases the effectiveness of tamoxifen. My guess is that would occur if someone were to be using Tylenol PM all of the time while on tamoxifen. Ask your Oncologist, but I bet a dose every couple of months wouldn't make that much of a difference. Of course, that does help those that are needing to take it often during rads. I don't start my tamoxifen until I'm done with rads, so I guess I can load up on it now the next several nights! :-)  

    Leah, there are a lot of other drug interactions listed- too many to name here. If there is a specific one you want me to check out, I'd be happy to look for you.

  • carollynn79
    carollynn79 Member Posts: 654
    edited August 2009

    To All,

    One of the ingedients in Tylenol Pm is Diphenhydramine.  If you look in home page section of Breast Cancer . Org under hormonal therapy, Tamoxifen it has a list of drugs that may interefere with its effectiveness and  Diphenhydramine is on that list, it is also I beleive the active ingredient of Benedrryl.  I talked to my Med Onc about it and he said to limit its use. 

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited August 2009

    LoriL, thanks for the info on the drug. I don't take anything on a regular basis though I have mild asthma and use Ventolyn as needed (amount depends on the season) and prednisone very rarely - maybe 3-4 times a year.

    I have a general question for everyone who did chemo - how's your hair situation? I had my last chemo April 30, and the hair on my head is less than 1/4 inch long. I shaved my legs recently for the first time since January. I put it off for a week or two by wearing "streetsweeper" skirts, but finally did it. Used a cheap brand of disposable razor and ended up with razor burn; don't know if it was the cheap brand or skin still very sensitive from chemo. My eyebrows and eyelashes were the first thing to come back and also the last during chemo to come out. That's a blessing since it was definitely the hardest loss for me to deal with. Go figure. I lost my breast - adjusted to that fairly well; I was always small so it was not a large part of my body image.When I was young I always looked on myself as having a nice body DESPITE having small breasts, not BECAUSE I had nice breasts. Since I'm an Orthodox Jew, I've been covering my hair with wigs/hats/scarves since I got married so the hair loss on my head, while difficult, was much more private for me since to everyone I looked the same. My main vanity was and still is my face, especially my eyes, so no eyebrows or eyelashes was devastating. It's a relief thta it's past.

    Leah

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