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  • LovingLifeToday
    LovingLifeToday Member Posts: 39
    edited July 2009

    Welcome Marielf! Sorry to hear you are both going through this at the same time. Best wishes for you!!

    Along with my nausea meds I take home, I also get the Emend for days1-3, an anti nausea IV and a steroid IV on chemo day. I still ended up getting another anti nausea IV the day after. I'm also going to look in the th patch, thanks Kathy16 for mentioning it!! My nausea was so bad I could not even keep ice chips down... I did eat a lot of pudding, jell-o and soup for days to get my fluids.

    Thanks Joni1, I'll look it up :-)

    Elizabeth~LovingLifeToday

  • Dianna66
    Dianna66 Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2009

    In June, I had a double mastectomy with immediate placement of tissue expanders. I am now recieving DD ACT. My first Tx was 7/22. Thankfully, so far all has gone well. I only had about 24 hrs of nausea on the Saturday after my first Tx. No hair loss yet, but am going tonight after work to get it cut real short anyway.  I'm not one to usually post on discussion boards, but I've found that having others to talk to who are experiencing the same thing is comforting. 

  • chrisct
    chrisct Member Posts: 2,662
    edited August 2009

    Hello Ladies,

    I'm going to vent a little - and warning TMI to follow.  Guess what I woke up with this morning - my period!  And I just had it 2 weeks ago!  Chemopause perhaps?  First treatment (T/Cx4/3wk) on July 13 - period started July 17th (as anticipated) and now again on the 31st.  Anyone else have anything similar happening?  So I began the week with hair falling out and I'm ending it with an extra period.  Joy. 

    As for steroids - I take dexamethasone twice the day before tx, then I get more in the IV before tx, then Aloxi, then the T/C.  Then afterward, I have compazine just in case.  I took it once - the nurse had told me to take it one night, just in case, but I forgot so I took it the next morning.  But I was lucky and didn't really have nausea - I had just bloating and constipation.  I was very lucky.  But it is T/C, not A/C, so that might be the difference.  I've read that Aloxi and Zofran are pretty much interchangeable, but Aloxi might work better for some people.  I hope all the SE's everyone is experiencing subside quickly and don't return.  My next T/C treatment Monday - I'm hoping it goes as well as last time.

  • NewportLori
    NewportLori Member Posts: 67
    edited July 2009

    Regarding steriods...

    I think one of the reasons there may be some difference as to onc's recommendations for taking them beyond what is in the IV on the day of Tx could be due to which regimen we are on.  I'm on TC and the onc RN told me that the primary reason they have me take the steriod orally on the day before and two days after tx is to prevent edema -- particularly pulmonary edema, which can require hospitalization.  The anti-nausea effect is the secondary reason for giving it.  Edema is a known SE of Taxotere.  Perhaps the same concern does not exist with Adriamycin.  Just a thought. 

    I'm exhausted today.  Had pretty severe bone pain in the middle of the night when I didn't keep up with my ibuprofen (thought I didn't need it -- WRONG!).  I'm going to get some Alieve today as it lasts longer than ibup.  Once you get pain, it takes so much more to knock it down rather than prevent it.

    Hope we all have a SE free (or at least minimal) weekend.

  • eliz46
    eliz46 Member Posts: 71
    edited July 2009

       Just wondering if anyone else is having pain in there side..hurts a bit when you walk and also a pinch pain in your hip every one in a while.......my doc told me that chemo would kick me into menapause does this go away.and than come back normal month to month ...i am on day 10 and now have little bubbles on the top of my hands.....anybody else have these

  • pdaw
    pdaw Member Posts: 202
    edited July 2009

    Diane - I was told that hair would begin to grow back after AC

    Michelle - I have some sinus trouble anyway on occassion and have Allegra D that I take as needed.  That was a SE from Cytoxin that no one at the cancer center mentioned to me.  I happened to read it on a posting from the June girls.  Anyway, I make sure that I take an Allegra D prior to infusion.  You could probably take any of the over the counter sinus remedies that might help - ask your oncologist.  I think some are taking Claritin or Zyrtec.

     PauldingMom - I know how frustrated you are after typing a huge post and then loosing it.  Now, if I have a huge post, I type it in word and then copy and past into the site.

  • PauldingMom
    PauldingMom Member Posts: 927
    edited July 2009
    Welcome Dianna66 and Marielf!! As always a bittersweet welcome but we are glad that we can all be here for each other during this difficult time. Some very interesting stories here if you have time to read all the post. Marie, you will find that my mother and I are both fighting this BC crap together. Just so you know that you are not alone. I hope that helps in some tiny way. 
    Dianna66-I know lots of us are some what scared of posting stuff on the internet. Can't blame ya there, but as far as I know no one has had any issues here. Know that if you have personal questions you can always PM someone. 
  • miriam09
    miriam09 Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2009

    Hi,

     I just wanted to "stop" by to wish y´all all the best for your treatments and send lots of positive thoughts! This is my first post, but I´ve been reading a lot on this wonderful homepage. My mom got diagnosed with IDC, Stage 1, Grad 2 in April and since her oncotype test was 56 she started with chemo in July, after her lumpectomy.

    Today I want to share some good news about my mom´s chemo with y´all. She had her 2nd AC treatment on Wednesday. Because they gave her way too much Phenergan (anti-nausea med) after the 1st cycle, I needed to bring her to the er. So this time she was really worried and scared. But I can tell you she is doing great! They adjusted her dosage and she didn´t get nauseaous, didn´t throw up, has great appetite, can eat everything and is not too too tired. She is up and running and we took a ride across town today. Also the Neuprogen shots don´t give her any problems.

    Her spirits are high! She took us girls to two different wig places and we all got two wigs and went to a bar afterwards wearing them! She made it fun not only for herself but also for us!

    Sure, shaving her head on Sunday evening was the hardest, most heartbreaking thing I ever had to do, but again she was very strong and we both didn´t cry.

    She tries really hard to keep a positive attitude, even though it´s hard sometimes. But she always says she doesn´t want to go to the "dark place in her mind" and calls me up every time she thinks she might get there. So I can distract or cheer her up.

    I wish y´all that you can keep your positive attitude up! Mom (and some of you too) will be halfway through AC in 2 weeks and we will surely celebrate that! :-) Hope y´all will do that too! Big hugs!

  • chrisct
    chrisct Member Posts: 2,662
    edited August 2009

    Was just reading about the sinus pain from Cytoxan.  If I'm remembering correctly, I think my nurse said that if I have sinus pain, she can slow down the infusion rate.  Perhaps if the Cytoxan is causing sinus pain, they could try slowing it down for you and maybe that will help. 

  • Eph3_12
    Eph3_12 Member Posts: 4,781
    edited August 2009

    Yes, both infusions I've had sinus pain-they slowed it down for me & gave a nice warm rice pack that I put on my face.  Helped tremendously!

  • KarenVW
    KarenVW Member Posts: 92
    edited August 2009

    Hi everyone!

    I'm amazed at how different all of us are being pre-treated for SEs, etc.  I suppose each onco has their own routine.  I am on TC x 3.  I take steroids (decadron) 1 day before and 2 days after treatment.  On the day of treatment I get an IV with Aloxi, Benedryl, Decadron, and Tagamet.  I also take Emend on the day of treatment and 2 days after.  Then a prescription for Zofran as needed.  I did take Claritan and Tylenol on the day of my neublasta shot (as recommended by many of you) and had no problems.  I have also found taking Prilosec as a preventive has been helpful.

    One of my biggest issues has been hot flashes.  They started the day after treatment and WOW!  I never had a hot flash before.  I feel like I'm overheating and it takes forever to cool down.  Happens at least 2-3 times a day.  Any one else having problems with hot flashes?  Any suggestions for how to manage them?

    Thanks!

    Karen

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited August 2009

    Hi Triple J's:

    Day 4 today! Last night was little rough more so because of mother natures 'little visit' then anything else...The one side effect I would have been ok with (no period) and darn it I still get it!  Aaaargh!   Some body aches and a little pins and needles on my hands this morning that went away within ten minutes of waking up. 

    My onc nurse also mentioned slowing the cytoxan infusion for sinus pressure.  My premeds are  Decadron and compazine the day before/after tx with  IV of Aloxi, Decadron at tx and evening of tx.

    Still haven't had a decent BM since Wednesday...taking colace and prunes...hopefully some movement soon :(

    Welcome to our newbies...thank you for to everyone who has gone before me and for all the awesome advice and input you have all provided.  

    Hugs and Best wishes to all!

  • White929
    White929 Member Posts: 53
    edited August 2009

    KarenVW:  I too have those darn hot flashes!  They only last with me about 3-4 days after tx, then they are gone.  Hope they don't last too long for you!  I don't know of any remedy for that?!?

    O2bhealthy:  Sorry you are having bowel problems!  Have you tried Senocot?  I take one the day of tx and 4 days after....haven't had a problem.

    NewportLori  Hope your pains are subsiding!!!

    Well this is day 9 after 2nd tx and I am feeling pretty good. No real SE's today..YIPPEE!!

     Hope you all do well this weekend!

  • pdaw
    pdaw Member Posts: 202
    edited August 2009

    O2bhealthy -  Senocot works for me also.  I purchased the Walgreen brand - Senocot-S

     Pam

  • Hopeful-1
    Hopeful-1 Member Posts: 72
    edited August 2009

    Hello Triple J's,

    Just getting caught up reading all the posts.  Ihaven't posted in a while because I've been trying to work as much as possible.  Helps keep my mind off of BC, chemo, side effects and all the head stuff that goes with this illness.

    I go for AC #3 tomorrow.  Dianne is a few days ahead of me.  Chemo #2 was tougher since I had acid reflux, but doc told me to take prilosec everyday until I finish AC.

    My WBCs were 28000 yesterday.  I was concerned about it being high, but my doc was happy and said he typically sees that happen in young, healthy people who get Neulasta.  He made my day since I don't think I'm young and having BC doesn't make me feel healthy.  He also said I should continue with Neulasta just to make sure counts don't drop too low and delay treatment.

    Lost most of my hair from the chemo.  Didn't shave, but the vaccuum was my closest friend for 3 or 4 days.  My hair along my hairline around my head hung on and lost most on the top of my head.  When I wear scarves, wraps and hats it's not noticeable that I'm bald on top.  For those that didn't shave your heads, I lost most of it in 1 or two days and used a comb, but then I resorted to usng the vaccuum cleaner and a lint roller to take off what was loose - a little strange - never thought I would use a vaccuum on my head.  Oh well... it worked.

    Lovinglifetoday - I had the same question about "cold" sensation for a few weeks following my mastectomy, but it eventually went away.

    Welcome to all the new Triple J's.  Although I'm sad to hear others have joined, you're in good company.

    Well after Monday, I'll only have 1 more AC followed by 4 Taxol.  My doc said that I shouldn't expect each treatment to be worse than the last.  Now that he cut my steroids in half, I didn't have  most of the SEs from the first round and now that I'm taking prilosec it should help prevent the acid reflux like the last round.  I like his positive attitude and he definitely keeps me looking on the bright side. 

    Wishing all a speedy recovery!

    Connie

  • marielf
    marielf Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2009

    O2bhealthy - 6  days after my 1st treatment I got backed up.  For me, I take 1 colace in the am and 2 pm.  The other day, I only took 1 at pm but I am sure after my second treatment, I will have to start taking 2 at pm to keep things going in the right direction.

    As I was moving something last night, I went flying hard onto my back, shoe fell off and phone went cell phone went flying across the room.  I was by myself at school.  Luckily, I was able to stand up and drive.  Came home and was hurting on my back & neck.  Took some pain reliever and thought for sure that I wasn't going to be able to move this morning.   Woke up feeling ok.

    Even managed to get some yard work in :)

     Sometimes I worry that something is going to happen that will get in the way of treatment.  Never really thought about things like that before.  I have been bruising easily.  For some reason I have 2 bruises on my left hand and not sure if it is from the IV ?   Is anyone bruising.  I also have the strange redness on my right eye lid.  It comes and goes.  Kind of looks like a black eye and itches a little.

    Had a few hot flashed and my period kicked in my first week along with all the other SE.  I am getting to old for periods. Wishing they would go away!

     The second week began much better.  One SE that still occurs is my toes will twitch as I am laying down or have my feet up.  Drives me crazy like a twitching in the eye.

    A friend gave my a yellow bracellett  that says  "LIVESTRONG". Something that I pray for myself and others each day. 

  • ssimmons66
    ssimmons66 Member Posts: 51
    edited August 2009

    hopeful- You have still not shaved your head?  I cut my hair short but didn't shave it.....it started coming out on thru does it stop coming out or not? My hair hasn't come out around my hairline and am wondering if I should shave it or not? With a hat on you really can't tell I am going bald on top but I didn't know if is just keep coming out and will eventually come out around my hairline too.

  • White929
    White929 Member Posts: 53
    edited August 2009

    ssimmons66:  I buzzed my hair as short as I could without going bald.  My stubbles are still coming out here and there each day.  Some people only thin...others lose it all, so can't tell you which one you will be.

    My friend had to "rescue" her granddaughter (age 2) from Child Welfare at 2:30am today.  She has temp custody.  Problem....she is full of head lice!  I'm wondering...they probably wouldn't like me, so I should be ammune...right?  She is having a hard time keeping her still with the lice comb going through her hair and I'm wanting to help her...how dangerous do you think this would be Triple J's?????????

  • ssimmons66
    ssimmons66 Member Posts: 51
    edited August 2009
    White- Did you buzz your before your hair started falling out or after?   I don't know about the lice thing...the medicine for that stuff is pretty strong I don't know if you need to be around it???? But your right the lice shouldn't like YOU...LOL...(you have to laugh so you don't cry)!!Laughing
  • mnikityger
    mnikityger Member Posts: 26
    edited August 2009

    HI ALL YOU BEAUTIFUL TRIPLE J'S.  A special welcome to the new ladies.  You have joined a great and strong group for your journey.  To everyone talking about the benefit of Vitamin D.  I read the 30 minutes of laughter a day gives you 25% of your bodies daily requirement of Vitamin D.  So ladies laugh laugh laugh !!!!!!     For those asking about hot flashes her is what I do   -      My bathroom is the smallest room in my house so with the air on it is also the coldest when the door is shut.   When I get a hot flash I go set in the bathroom over the ac vent and cool right down.  My SE's especially the nausea has finally started to lessen.  Hope everyone else's is going away.    REMEMBER TO LAUGH AND GET THAT VITAMIN D.  MGBLA

  • SallyMae
    SallyMae Member Posts: 13
    edited August 2009

    Hi Triple JJJ's,  This was my third day after my first chemo.  Ached all over, pains where I didn't think you could get pains.  The scoots run you raggid.  BUT IT COULD BE WORSE!!!  Feeling a little better tonight. Slept a lot today.  Sure hope tomorrow will be better.  I have an appointment for "Look Good Feel Better " on Monday.  Hope I can go.  Need something to make me feel better.  Well, chin up, I tell myself,  it will all be over soon.  Love ya all.

  • pdaw
    pdaw Member Posts: 202
    edited August 2009

    Hopeful-1 - You will be in my thoughts and prayers as you take your 3rd AC.  You are just a bit ahead of me.  My 3rd will be on August 13.  Lke you, my dr. is very positive and that means a lot.  I just figured out how you got ahead of me - I see you are every 2 weeks and I'm every 3 weeks.  I think it's wonderful that you are able to work on the every 2 week cycle.  Dr. said that she was afraid if she put me on every 2 that I would not feel like working.  But, I'm also 54 years old.  LIke you, I've taken prilosec - not every day, but when needed.  How encouraging that your dr. said not to expect the treatments to get worse.  I have been dreading #3, cause one of the nurses told me that after I have 3 that I won't want to come back for #4.  But I'm not listening to her - I'm listening to you ladies who are the ones going through this with me.  I think I'll believe in your dr.!!!

    ssimmons 66 -  I thought that I would take control of the hair thing and shave my head, but I just could not bring myself to have it done or do it myself.  I'm on day 30 (1st treatment was july2, second treatment July 23) and I still have some hair.  Like hopeful, when I wear a hat you can still see hair.  Manfriend even asked me about hair since he saw it peeking from beneath my hat.  In fact, we just talked about it and he reminded me that surgeon and oncologist both said that all the hair would fall out in a few days - and my hair to start with is very fine.  So, that being said, I would probably advise ladies to not shave their heads unless it just became too unbearable to watch it fall out.  Now, mine might eventually all fall out - but as of tonight, my hat looks good.  I do wear my wig to work every day and have been since about day 12.  My hair began falling out at day 13.

     SallyMae - just curious - what is your treatment - your diagnosis is almost the same as mine.  I'm 2.1 cm, Stage IIa, grade 3, 0 nodes.

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited August 2009

    We BBQd corn today. DH said it was delicious. Mine tasted like cardboard. I had DH taste mine to check and he said it was good. I am so disappointed. I love corn!

  • Carole01
    Carole01 Member Posts: 29
    edited August 2009

    Connie,

    Glad to hear SE's were not as bad for you after 2nd dose.  I get my 2nd Monday.  I was not able to bring myself to shave my head either.  I could not even bring myself to cut it short.  I figure if chemo wants to come get it then it will just have to bring it on.  I'll deal with it then.  I am not going to help it.  I know its coming, ready for it just hope I have some stay.  Had a pretty good week, SE's were not bad after 5th day. 

    Good luck to everyone getting treatments this week.  We will all kick this thing in the a#@.

  • lorijo1993
    lorijo1993 Member Posts: 40
    edited August 2009

    Good morning every one, I have had 4 very good days, even worked a 12 hr shift Friday, next chemo on Wednsday,7/5- then the SE begain again, OH JOY!

     Sally Mae, you will enjoy the Look Good Feel Better class, hope you feel like going.

    I think I am going to do the same as some of as some of you and pretreat myself for the constipation, That was the biggest SE I had, I also asked to give me a lower amount of steroids this time (the ONC said the decadron keeps nausea away). I cut my hair on the 13 day, I can not stand hair dropping down my back, before all this I would that a shower as soon as I left the beauty shop to get the hair off, still gives me the willys just thinking about it !

    God Bless all of you, Lori

  • oldstudent
    oldstudent Member Posts: 61
    edited August 2009

    Hi, all! LOL O2b and tougher! I like the idea of a sexy cyborg babe! Welcome, SallyMae and ather folks. Just waiting for tx #2 of A/C. The trouble with the NOT DD is that it is a long wait between treatments and I so badly want to get this over with! Thanks all for the tip on the vitamin water!

    DH and I ran away from home yesterday and went to B'more to visit DH's sister & bro in law. We went to a winery outside of the city for a tour and tasting. Work has been horrible (small biz owners in recession) so we needed to flee for the day. My 20 year old was driving the ancient minivan & it died in a parking lot so 21 year old had to go rescue him. And I was GLAD we weren't around to have to deal with it!!!

  • SallyMae
    SallyMae Member Posts: 13
    edited August 2009

    pdaw:  We are very similar.  Mine was 2.5 cm.  I am taking Toxotere/cytoxan three week intervals for 4 sessions.  Will be followed with 5 yrs of Arimidex.

    After I posted last night I thought I might feel better if I took a nice warm bath.  Well we live out in the country and when it rains for 40days and 40 nights our well gets muddy for a few days.  I know poeple pay a lot of money for a mud bath but with the way my stomach felt I just could not bring myself to get in the tub.  Besides that red clay turns my grey hear and I look like a flamingo for a few days.  So needless to say it was a short shower instead of a long leasurly bath.  Feel a little better today.  Hope everyone is fine, especially my daughter,PauldingMom.  Love ya

  • jacee
    jacee Member Posts: 1,384
    edited August 2009



    Wow, finally feel normal again...today is day 14 so I have a full week to enjoy before AC #2. Even my taste buds have returned. Going to Look Good Feel Better tomorrow. Then to Onc for bloodwork. Very anxious to see what wbc count will be since I didn't get Nuelasta shot.



    Have been trying to stay away from anything soy since I am 90% ER+. I've been given a bunch of protein drinks,bars, powders by friends...only to find out they are all soy proteinn. So, then I start reading labels and found that soy lecithin is in about everything.....even my whey protein powder. It's going to be hard to remove it totally from my diet, I think. (it's an emulsifier and is in chocolate, peanut butter, salad dressings, bread, etc.) Controversial, of course, as to whethere soy is a no-no or not, but thought I'd be pro-active and assume I shouldn't eat it.



    A few weeks ago, it was recommended to me by Johns Hopkins Breast Center to get a second opinion on my path slides. I am in Arkansas. Anyway I sent them and they put the report in the mail Friday so I'm anxious to see if they found anything new. My 3 path reports have all said the same things, but Johns Hopkins is interested because my tumor was 6mm, grade 1 yet had moved to 3 lymph nodes, 1 being an internal mammary node..which they were able to remove. So that puts me at Stage IIIc immediately. I guess it's very unusual to see that kind of movement from a tiny, low grade tumor. I'll be very surprised if they find anything new, but it's perplexing none the less. By the way, if anyone is wanting a 2nd opinion on path slides, it was only $250 and the report is done within 6 days. And my insurance covered it. Well worth it, if it brings peace of mind to someone.



    Well, Triple J's...we made it through July with much anticipation and I don't think it's a surprise that we met this challenge head on..with all the strength we could muster. We are strong, beautiful women and will never be the same because of this battle...We will know that we are able to do much more than we ever thought. That support from others is invaluable...and in spite of this disease, we have found in this group....friends....what a gift to be surrounded by others who are walking the same path. Look out August..here we come!!!!



    Joni1





  • pdaw
    pdaw Member Posts: 202
    edited August 2009

    gillyone  - I know what you mean - my sense of taste seems to almost come back to normal about 7 days prior to next treatment.  In the meantime, I learned to season my food a little more and there are some things that taste really good.  I roasted some squash, onions, green peppers, salt,pepper and garlic powder last week -  Yum - the garlic powder gave it a great taste.  I'm also drinking Diet SunDrop cola, in which I can taste the lemon-line flavor better during these days.

     SallyMae - forgot to tell you that I'm triple negative, so I'm on A/C x 4 every 3 weeks and then Tax x 12, weekly.  That's probably why our treatments are so different.

    joni 1 - don't be surprised in WBC is down.  I did not get the N shot either and mine was down significantly, but still did not get shot.  It was up enough the following week that I was able to get treatment. And this past week it was actually the highest it's been.   I know they say that when its down that you feel washed up - but I felt no different - so was surprised that it fell so much.  I tried to eat high protein diet - scrambled eggs, egg salad, potatoes.  I can't stomach any type of liver product.

     I agree with you - what a gift to be able to talk to women who are going through the same thing.  I can talk to my friends but they can't say "I know what you mean".  I have learned so much from the ladies on this site.  I would encourage anyone and everyone to join!

     Pam

  • PauldingMom
    PauldingMom Member Posts: 927
    edited August 2009

    Marielf-I had the same type of twitching only not in my feet like normal people, no mine had to be in my left butt cheek. I told my phone case worker about it and she said it was normal. Some people even experience Neuropathy, a type of burning/tingle in the hands and feet. 

    SallyMae-AKA Mom, Wish I could be there and we could go together to Look Good..... Hope that today, Sunday, finds ya feeling better. I promise you, the SE do lessen in time. Make it over the hump and you'll be amazed at how much better you feel.

    I must admit the SE were not as bad this second time around. Still felt ill for two days but bounced back a little quicker. 

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