DCIS and IDC TN

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tibet
tibet Member Posts: 545

Did any one have both DCIS and IDC  for TN at the same time? Or is post TN shown up as IDC?

I had DCIS and IDC at the same time and my DCIS is 50% ER+ and IDC is TN. Anyone is like that?

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  • Eldub
    Eldub Member Posts: 276
    edited April 2009

    Hi.  I don't know if this will help, I have read that IDC found in the same breast as a previous DCIS (and assumed to be a "recurrence") will have the same ER/PR/Her2 status only about 66% of the time - meaning they are different in one characteristic or another about 1/3 of the time.  If this can happen with recurrences, it makes sense to me it could also be true when the DCIS and IDC are found at the same time.  It's already clear that Her2 status changes between DCIS and IDC about half of the time - why not ER/PR, too?

    Anyway, I'm no expert, and it's not my situation, but maybe it helps a bit...

    Linda

  • cheranthia
    cheranthia Member Posts: 65
    edited April 2009

    After neoadjuvant chemo, my original tumor (IDC) had melted away completely, but a DCIS had sprouted nearby (like a weed, my surgeon said). The DCIS turned out to be TN as well, but it was not a given that it would be. My onc said that if it were ER/PR+ I would benefit from Tamoxifen despite the other tumor being TN. Turns out that wasn't the case for me after all, but I'm two years out from DX and doing great! I hope this helps.

    Cherie 

  • tibet
    tibet Member Posts: 545
    edited April 2009

    Linda

    Mine was not recurrence or anything. The DCIS and IDC were found at the same time. Within DCIS, a small tumor of IDC was also found. So part of the DCIS probably became IDC as it left the ducts. I did not have neo chemo but adjuvent chemo.

  • pocogirl
    pocogirl Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2009
    newalex, I was DX with DCIS in my left breast, and IDC TN in my right breast at the same time.  I had also been DX with LCIS about six years earlier in my right breast and had opted for twice yearly screening instead of bi-lat mast. I do have some regrets about not having done this earlier, but you can't look back, only forward.  From what I understand, having DCIS along with, or together with IDC is not that uncommon. My surgeon called my DCIS "baby cancer" and said the TN lesion was what needed the treatment,  I did opt to have bi-lats done this last fall due to my numerous pre-cancerous conditions, including atypical hyperplasia. I figured I wouldn't wait around for anymore cancer in the breasts after the double whammy.  I don't know if this helps, but we duel cancer women are certainly out there!
  • tibet
    tibet Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2009

    Cheranthia

    Was your DCIS there before the chemo or it came after chemo? Did you have mastectomy? Usually a mastectomy can take care of DCIS without taking any Tamoxiphen.

  • cheranthia
    cheranthia Member Posts: 65
    edited July 2009

    Hi newalex-

    I had neoadjuvant chemo and then a lumpectomy and radiation, not a mastectomy. The DCIS was found when when they did the lumpectomy. I don't know if it was there all along or not. My onc said the DCIS wouldn't have responded to the chemo anyway. Since the main tumor disappeared, he still considers that I had PCR.

    Since I am TN and did not have a mastectomy, I haven't done much research about the benefits of Tamoxifen after mastecomy. Your post made me curious, however. Here's a doctor's response to the question I found on Medhelp.org:

    "Much of the research done on tamoxifen in DCIS has been done on women who have had lumpectomy + radiation therapy.  The addition of tamoxifen reduced the incidence of non-invasive and invasive recurrences, second cancers in the opposite breast, and metastasis.  Given the reduction of second cancers in the opposite breast and metastasis, it would seem valid to consider the addition of tamoxifen after mastectomy for DCIS."

    Hope this is helpful! 

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