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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2009

    Wow , I can't tell you how much I like the idea of a positive thread about our "negativity".  My oncologist told me to stay off the Internet.  I told him I already know where to avoid, any site that is devoted to triple neg.

    I finished up my 6 rounds of TC 3 weeks ago.  Actually had a pretty easy time of it.  I would take off 4 days each treatment, then back to work.  Days 4 and 5 seemed to be the only "bad" days... but just achy head to toe.

    I am having my lumpectomy/SNB this Thursday.  I'm nervous, but can't wait to get it over with.

    JAX65 :  I live in Naples, where in Rochester do you live?  Do you go to the Wilmot Cancer center?

    I hosted a party this weekend to celebrate being done with chemo and before my surgery.  Just wanted to thank my closest friends for all their support.  What a great time we had.   I plan on making that a yearly thing every summer for MANY years to come.

  • jax65
    jax65 Member Posts: 47
    edited July 2009

    NYDEB- I live in webster and go to Lipson cancer center. I also did the party thing on the 4th of July to help me remember that there is life outside of a cancer center and hospital. Good luck with your surgery on Thursday. I had surgery before chemo left Mx and will be having prophy Mx on right side Aug 24 with tissue expanders, maybe still on the fence over reconstruction. Not looking forward to another surgery but just want it over with. Keep in touch.

  • nonijones333
    nonijones333 Member Posts: 120
    edited July 2009

    Hi Ladies; just a quick note to tell you I was diagnosed back 22 years ago at 39 yrs.old and again a new primary in the other breast 6 years ago. 22 years ago stage 1 and 6 years ago stage 2. You will all be shocked to know I did not do chemo and yes I have the pathology report of 22 years ago to prove I was TN. Back then if no nodes no chemo and 6 years ago I threw the dice and said NO again. Well I am doing wonderful and there are so many of us that are. Remember many of us never come back and go on with our lives. The ladies who are here are either new or are here with issues they are dealing with. Hundreds of thousands of women go on to happy healthy lives after breast cancer and so will you.

    FYI, the first diagnosis I just had lumpectomy with 5 weeks radiation. Second time just double masectomy. So just think of how much better you are with all the treatment options you had and i guess you can call me stupid, I like to think stuborn but never the less I am here and doing wonderful, now 63 years old and a Noni. God Bless All of You

    t

  • tibet
    tibet Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2009

    nonijones333

    Was your first time also atypical medullary? I read your second time was. Usually medullary has good prognosis. Was your Daughter's also medullary or pure IDC? 

  • nonijones333
    nonijones333 Member Posts: 120
    edited July 2009

    In reply to newalex. My first was IDC my second was a-typical medulary, both were TN. My daughter had cancer in both her breasts. Pleomorphic lobular carcinoma In-situ with extension into ducts with focal microinvasion in one breast, and IDC in the other breast that was  1.6cm grade 3 TN. Now 5 years out for her. The lobular was hormone receptive. She received chemo only and because the cancer that was hormone receptive was microscopic they declined the hormone treatments. I guess by todays standards we were both undertreated but 22 years total for me and 5 years for her. She is doing fabulous. She is an avid runner and is practicing to do her first marathon. As for me I'm still working and look forward to going home everynight sitting out in the yard with my glass of wine with my darling husband. Love that wine, I know another taboo but my Italian heritage, I just have to do that. Grandmother lived to be 103, worked for her.

  • tibet
    tibet Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2009

    nonijones333

    Did you have any family history with BC? Your grandma lived to be over 100, whoooh.

    What kind of chemo your daughter got? Is she also on the BC org this site? I want to start my running but after the chemo tx, I feel rather aches a lot and running may make it worst. Is your daughter always sporty ? Did she have issue running after chemo? I will PM you on some more private questions regarding sports and wine because I enjoy wine so much as well and I live in Europe and wine is part of life quality but I am giving it up due to the BC... Can I PM you?  

  • nonijones333
    nonijones333 Member Posts: 120
    edited July 2009

    newalex

    I am not very computer savy. I would be happy to answer any of your questions and have no clue how to pm someone??? My daughter had AC chemo 4 x's. Both my mothers sisters got breast cancer in their 70's and my grandmother on my fathers side who lived to be 103 had no breast cancer on her side with 13 brothers and sisters, from the northern part of Italy. All lived well into their 80's.

    When my daughter was having chemo she went snow shoeing for miles. She is a ski instructor at a local mountain and has always been active. She tends to put on the lbs. thats why she runs and it keeps her very fit. When she was growing up I was a runner before my breast cancer, after having the radiation it really put the skids on my indurance. I ran for 13 years and loved it. Now i just like living and growing old has become a good thing. I eat well, keep happy thoughts and everything in moderation. Must say that my faith in God has become the most important thing in my life and that is what has sustained me threw my daughters diagnosis. My daughter does not come on these boards, cancer has no part of her life and thats how she chooses to live. I am here for you to tell you and anyone who reads this that there is hope and to live each day with great hope that you too can survive and be happy again. Maybe a different happy but a much deeper happy and appreciation of everyday and appreciation for the people around you.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited July 2009

    All of this is new to me - cancer, chat rooms and the all consuming need to research over and over the same thing. I am like many people - I never thought I'd be going through this, nor have I  been close to anyone with cancer.   I am 43 with Stage IIIA, Grade III, TNBC.   My doctor also told me to stay away from the internet and chat rooms, but this is so positive and supportive how can I stay away.  

    I just had a bilateral masectomy 3 weeks ago, waiting to start chemo then on to radiation. I still have a lot to learn on this journey.

    Thank you for such a positive place during a rough time and I'm looking forward to joining in on the 5 ++ club.

  • ddlatt
    ddlatt Member Posts: 448
    edited July 2009

    jenn3 - i think it's incredibly condescending and patronizing for our docs to tell us to "stay away from the internet" or chat rooms. and i hear that it happens all the time. if a doc said that to me, he/she wouldn't be my doc any longer. do they think we're helpless, gullible, ignorant people? it infuriates me. along that line, i will never forget the first surgeon i consulted--i told her i was adamant about having a bilateral mastectomy (even though my option was lumpectomy), and she actually said, "are you SURE? you never know when the right man might come along and you'll want two bumps." verbatim, that's what she said. well, i immediately informed her (1) that i'm gay and (2) i wouldn't be needing her services and would find another surgeon. it's mind-boggling how idiotic some doctors are.

  • tibet
    tibet Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2009

    nonijones333

    Your and your daughter story is so inspiring. They are what we need to hear on this board. Private Message is easy. I will send you one and it shows up in pink at the top of the menue when you log in here and you then can reply or send new PM.

  • tibet
    tibet Member Posts: 545
    edited July 2009

    Jenn 3

    If you have stage IIIA, you would not have mets. Did you have mets at dx this time? 4 positive nodes would put you in stage II B. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2009

    Jenn3 : You will find these boards to be a wealth of information.  I didn't start here until right before my chemo.  It has been a terrific support group.  My friends and family can't believe how well I have handled this whole situation.  I give most of the credit to having someplace to go to share my thoughts, fears, laughter, stories and tears.  That way, I don't need to burden anyone else.... too often.  As much as your family and friends will try to empathize, they don't know what it is REALLY like.  These women here do.

    ddlatt:  I hate that Drs tell us to stay away from the internet.  They only give us info on an " as needed basis".  I would rather have all the cards on the table.  I am a smart, rational person that doesn't appreciate being blindsided with bad news.  If I am aware it is a possibility, it doesn't throw me.

    Just returned from the hospital and my sentinel node injection.  It wasn't painful at all.  Surgery tomorrow, can't wait to get it over with.  But, today the sun is shining and I am off from work, time to enjoy.

  • kellyless
    kellyless Member Posts: 68
    edited July 2009

    I'm exhausted today, but was trying to think of something positive to say - and I've got it!  I had my 3rd rad treatment today, and from the moment I pulled up to the building, to the moment I was driving away was TEN MINUTES!  I'm not kidding, walked in, changed into robe, they were all ready for me, lay down, lined up in record time, zap zap, got dressed - all in TEN MINUTES.  That's a rock and roll cancer treatment in my book.

  • Debonthelake
    Debonthelake Member Posts: 244
    edited July 2009

    Here's something positive.  When I first started Rads I often required 3 hour naps.  I was anemic from chemo.  Each week that went by my energy returned slowly but surely.  I finished rads this week and my energy level is really great.  I exercised during rads and I think that made a big difference.  Research seems to suggest that it reduces fatigue.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited July 2009

    I don't completely understand what you're asking, as I am new to ALL of this and hope that I am answering what you asked.

    The doctor went over the pathology reports and showed me the standard charts used to stage the cancer with me.  It was based on the size of the tumor and because 4 or more lymph nodes tested positive for cancer. The pathology report also showed that it had met in the lymph nodes.   In addition I went online and found the same findings when I used my pathology report to the charts online with two different bc sites. I do think it just barely crossed into IIIA or least that's what I want to believe. 

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited July 2009

    NYDEB48 - Thank you for the positive response.  You are right, family, friends and my co-workers/friends have been overwhelmingly supportive, but don't completely understand what I'm going through.  Honestly, I don't know if I had the time to emotionally digest it all.  It's only been a month since I had the mammogram followed by surgery.  I've learned more than I ever thought I would about TNBC. 

    I went for my annual mammogram on my lunch hour thinking I'd be in and out just like I had the last time.  I knew I had a lump going in, as I had found it two months prior, but wasn't in the least bit concerned because cancer of any sort is something no one in our family had ever dealt with.  I was large breasted and assumed it was a cyst because it was painful and I had always heard cancer wasn't painful. My stupid sign was flashing bright the day I walked in for my mammogram and I have laughed at myself many times over remembering my conversation with the nurse.  I spent 4 hours that day taking pictures and doing ultrasounds. Still not in the least bit concerned.  Even when they told me I needed biopsies my sign was still flashing bright.  I even asked the radiologist if she could drain the cyst and she said no it's a mass and they had several.  My bright sign dimmed a little, but I was still very optimistic.   Then after getting my diagnosis from the doctor I spent hours upon hours on research and knew I'd want a bi-lateral masectomy if  the oncologist suggested I had to have one breast removed. Now here I am trying to again learn as much as I can and connect with people going through the same thing.  I really appreciate your reaching out to me and thank you. 

  • carolinachick
    carolinachick Member Posts: 387
    edited July 2009

    jenn - Hang in there.  You will be well-educated in tnbc by the time it's all over.  Doing research on the internet and becoming informed is a good thing, as long as you are careful which websites you visit.  I think the time immediately after diagnosis is so hard emotionally, but you will get through this and you have lots of support here from ladies who have been in your situation.

    kellyless - I was also amazed at the speed of the radiation treatments compared to the 6 hours it took me for chemo.  Hopefully your fatigue will get better soon.

    Debonthelake - So glad that your energy is up.  I'm still fatigued after finishing rads last week, but we're working four 10-hour days right now, so I think it's just work that's doing it.  I'm trying to fit in exercise, but I'm just so tired by the time I get home.  I'm planning on a couple of nice long walks this weekend.

    I went yesterday for my appointment with the genetic counselor and decided to go ahead and be tested, due to my age at diagnosis (44) and the fact that I have several distant relatives on both sides who had ovarian or breast cancer.  I'm surprised at how much emotion this has brought up, but I would rather be informed of my risk than just wait and see if bc rears its ugly head again.  I also want to be able to have that information for my mom, sisters and daughter if it comes back positive.

    Happy Thursday, Positive Negatives!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2009

    Jenn3 ; When I first ventured onto these boards, I had someone reach out to me and help me along, glad I can do the same for you.

     Have you seen the onco yet ?   Be sure to join a " chemo starting in ......." board.  It is really helpful to commiserate with everyone going through it together at the same time.  I had 4 months of chemo and those ladies feel like my extended family.  We shared everything from family pics to the head shaving( complete with mohawks) to SE's and life issues.  Chemo really wasn't that awful, very doable as we like to say.

    The whole TNCB thing is a bit overwhelming and I try not to dwell on it.  That old saying about controlling what you can and the wisdom to know the difference.

    We all have our "stupid " stories about our encounters with BC.  Luckily, we get past them and get treated.  This is just a crappy chapter in the book of our lives.  Maybe it is a wake up call to help us appreciate everyone and everything in our lives soooooo much more.

  • zuffa
    zuffa Member Posts: 95
    edited July 2009

    I was diagnosed 10/08 - 15+ centimeters and lymphnodes.  Had 6 cycles of TAC (worked through chemo except the day of and 2 days after treatment each cycle), then surgery (mastectomy/16 nodes).  The pathology report came back with a PCR - pathologic complete response -- a miracle!...absolutely no evidence of cancer.  I am finishing rads this week (as an extra precaution) and feel great.  I think this positive thread is a great idea! 

    Be strong! 

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited July 2009

    NYDeb48- I have met with most of my "team".  My surgical ongologist performed the surgery 3 weeks ago.  I recently met with the medical oncologist and several oncology nurses, but have not met the radiologist yet.  The doctors did not want to overwhelm me with too much information in one meeting.  At first I was a little annoyed, but looking back it was a good decision on the doctors part because the information is a lot to absorb.

    carolinachick - Thank you for the support!!!!

    I really do enjoy reading the boards and the positive support everyone gives to each other. 

    Today I'm off to the Breast Center to sign up for the clinical trials I agreed to participate in and hopefully find out when I start chemo, which I believe is in a few more weeks. 

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited July 2009

    I agree with NYdeb - join a chemo group. I am part of July 2009 and it is a great group of ladies and I haven't even started chemo yet. I got my port yesterday and have one more scan tomorrow (MUGA) and then back to the oncologist on Tuesday. Hopefully we can work out a treatment plan. Can't wait to get started!

  • rinna40
    rinna40 Member Posts: 357
    edited July 2009

    Hello Positive Tripple Negatives:

    Boy do I need some positivie vibes today and you guys delivered. It is absolutley wonderful to here from ladies who are on the other side of this and enjoying life to its fullest. I am positively imaging myself there. Thanks for the words of encouragement.

    Rinna 

  • Debonthelake
    Debonthelake Member Posts: 244
    edited July 2009

    Well, I'll add some positive reflections on the triple negative diagnosis.  Yes, it is fast growing and aggressive, but then they think that it is because of those characteristics that it responds so much better to chemo than the positive kinds do. 

    Triple negative also responds very well to a low fat mostly vegetable and fruit based diet along with regular vigorous exercise.  It responds well to keeping ones BMI between a 21 and 23.  The response is so good it is equal to the response to chemo.  So, why not do both.

    The other great thing about triple negative BC is that if it doesn't show its self again within a 3 year period the chances are extremely high that your cancer is gone for good and you can be proclaimed cured.  To the cure........................Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited July 2009
    Debonthelake- love the positive vibe. I'll keep it with me today when I head to the store to look for my first scarf or wig.  I'm hoping to find and buy some head gear before I start chemo in a few weeks.
  • rinna40
    rinna40 Member Posts: 357
    edited July 2009

    Here's another positive - when we finish treatment we don't have to take other drugs for the next five years!!!!!

    Rinna 

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited July 2009

    rinna40 - WHOO HOO.............. I didn't even think of that.

  • Sassa
    Sassa Member Posts: 1,588
    edited July 2009

    I believe that in the future, triple negative (especially when a triple negative "herceptin" is developed from some of the new research) or ER/PR neg, HER2+ early stage diseases will be the types with the best prognoses. 

    Both types respond the best to chemo, and as stated in the post above, if mets are going to develop they will most likely occur in the first 1 -3 years.  After that recurrence rates drop down to nearly zero by 5 years (after 8 years, you triple neg ladies are in the clear).

    Unlike the hormone positive type, we don't have to take AI's with all their attendant side effects nor do we have our recurrence rate slowly creep up the longer we are out from initial treatment. 

  • slanderson
    slanderson Member Posts: 152
    edited July 2009

    Hello girls!!

    I just celebrated on Monday,  my 4th anniversary since diagnosis.  How's that for positive!?!?!?!?!!

    Cheers! 

    Shannon

  • gillyone
    gillyone Member Posts: 1,727
    edited July 2009

    Yeah for you Shannon!! That is really positive info for us.

  • carolinachick
    carolinachick Member Posts: 387
    edited July 2009

    Woo hoo, Shannon!  Congratulations!  I'll have my five year cancer-free anniversary the same year as my 50th birthday, so I told my hubby that he'd better start saving NOW.  It will be a big celebration!  It's so good to hear from survivors who have gone ahead of me in this process.

    Sassa and Rinna - So true on both counts.  Our "medicine" is exercise and diet, which will improve our overall health with no side effects!

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