ANYBODY with same diag??

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ssimmons66
ssimmons66 Member Posts: 51

HEY,

Does anyone have the same diag as mine? And what was your teatment? And if you had chemo ...How long and did your hair fall out and how long after u started chemo did ur hair fall out

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  • NanaA
    NanaA Member Posts: 293
    edited June 2009

    I had fairly similar diagnosis, had 12 weekly taxol treatments so that I could get the herceptin which is the best thing with her2+ diagnosis.  I finished 9 of the 12 before having to stop due to neuropathy in my hands and feet.  I am still continuing the herceptin every 3 weeks for a year.  My hair only thinned during the treatment.  I am now past the time 12 weeks would have been up and it is still thinning.  I hope not to lose it all.  I went to beauty shop yesterday and got nioxin that was recommended by other bc ladies on this web site to try.  Have not used it yet.  I will start rads in July sometime.  If you have more questions I would be happy to try and answer them.  Annette

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited June 2009

    I am a year since diagnosis (May 2008). Had dose dense A/C, then 12 taxol and herceptin before surgery (lumpectomy).  The chemo totally zapped my tumor.  A tough journey, but I live alone,no pets and retired (age 62 at time of diagnosis).   I rested when I felt like it, did as little as possible and took it one day at a time.  Good communication with your oncologist is essential.  Write down your questions,  it is dumb NOT to ask.  You have nothing to lose by asking.

    Good luck, keep checking in on these threads.   HUGS,  Nancy 

  • Jaimieh
    Jaimieh Member Posts: 2,373
    edited June 2009

    I had something similar and I did TCH and will continue with herceptin for the rest of the year.  My hair started falling out at day 14 so I buzzed it into a GI Jane look.  After that some more came out but I was never completely bald.  I did the TCH instead of AC because of possible heart damage.   

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited June 2009

    I was totally BALD,  NO hair anywhere.   About a month ago I noticed I had arm hairs again, but the head hair started to grow the first of the year.   

  • bwbly
    bwbly Member Posts: 82
    edited June 2009

    My dx is same as yours, except my tumor was smaller.

    I just finished 12 weekly Taxol/Herceptin. I have a very fine fuzz on my head, still have eyebrows and lashes, no leg hair and no pits, only have bangs down south.

    I start my DD AC on the Tuesday after next. I fully expect all the rest of my hair to leave.

    I've been lucky with SE's so far, but I do have some neuropathy in my fingers. Other SE's I've had were fairly short-lived even tho they showed up weekly.

    Bunny

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited June 2009

    I had NO hair anywhere.  Eyebrows came in like Groucho Marks, but thinned out to a more normal amount.  AC will make you pee red for a day or two.  Drink LOTS of water to flush, like juice or water every hour you are awake. 

    I had Pepcid, Benedryl, and Steroids via IV before the A/C.  The A is not hung on the pole and dripped into you.  The nurse will sit in front of you and "push" a huge plunger syringe with it in.  Emend should be taken for nausea - prescription you take for 3 days, along with steroids for 3 days.   Stomach was queasy, loose bowels, but no vomiting.  food tasted like cardboard, and very tired.   I ate small meals, more cold food than hot.  popsicles, sherbet and ice cream, pudding, noodle soup and mashed potatoes kept the tummy calm.   Cranberry juice tasted like licking a dumpster and I still can't drink it.    

     A/C can be hard on the heart.  IF you feel dizzy or "weird"  - let the nurses know right away.   I was told NOT to drive myself to and from A/C as you will be wired from the steroids and sleepy from the benedryl and driving is not a good idea that day.    

    You are very sun sensitive, so use sun screen or cover up with long sleeves and a hat when out in the sun.   Watch for cuts and insect bites as they can become infected very easily -  And I was told NO swimming or hot tub while having A/C.   

    Another thing, if you have a separate toilet, use it or be sure to flush at least 2 times after you "go".   Wash you hands, wash your hands, wash your hands.  Keep germs away.

    It is after midnight here and I am fading fast.   I will check later and add more as I remember.  

    Hugs,  Nancy 

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited June 2009

    My diagnosis was similiar - a bit smaller tumor and Grade 2 but HER2+ which is the critical thing. Even small HER2+ tumors have a high rate of recurrence so chemo has significan't benefit. A retrospective study by MD Anderson found that for HER2+ cancers of 1 cm or less where there was no chemo, recurrence was around 23%. The BCIRG 006 study found recurrence with node negative HER2+ after TCH chemo was about 7% (and that included larger tumors). 

    I had a lumpectomy and SNB (sentinel node biopsy) followed by chemo and radiation. If you haven't had surgery yet, the stage they gave you is an estimate. For example, in my case it looked on the mammogram and ultrasound like my tumor might be as large as 3.5 cm - that is how large the lump was. When they did the lumpectomy, it turned out that part of the lump was a non-cancerous cyst and part was DCIS so the IDC was less than 1 cm. On the other hand, the cancer could have been bigger than the apparent lump or the SNB could have found cancer in my nodes which would have increased the stage.

    I had TCH chemo. That stands for Taxotere, Carboplatin and Herceptin. 6 cycles of 3 weeks each so the duration of chemo was about 6 weeks. Once every three weeks, I would go in for a chemo infusion of all three drugs. (Some people get Herceptin weekly and the other two every 3 weeks. The effect is suppose to be the same)  My hair fell out about 17 days after the first treatment. I lost almost all of the hair at that point and buzzed the 10% or so that was left so it was close to my scalp. The hair started growing back about a month after chemo ended. At about 3 months after chemo, my head was pretty completely covered with very short hair. It is now 4 months and my hair is about 1/2 inch long.

  • DebbieB
    DebbieB Member Posts: 161
    edited June 2009

    I was dx'd in October 2001.  At that time herceptin was not offered unless you were HER+ and Stage 4.  Now I believe it is standard protocol.  I went thru 4 rounds of AC chemo and here it is almost 8 years later.  My only problem has been that I fell into that small percentage where the Adriamycin damaged my heart.  I was dx'd with congestive heart failure/cardiomyopathy in 2007.  So far heart meds are taking care of that problem.

  • HensonChi
    HensonChi Member Posts: 357
    edited June 2009

    Debbie I am sorry about the heart problems...I ahve heard the Adriamyacin can do that.  It is awesome that you are 8 years out though.  You give me hope!

  • ccbaby
    ccbaby Member Posts: 985
    edited July 2009

    I have been on Taxotere, Carboplatin and Herceptin every 3 weeks for 5 treatments and have 1 left and will continue with herceptin till March.  My hair started falling out on day 16 after my first treatment.

  • tulipbebe
    tulipbebe Member Posts: 85
    edited July 2009

    I'm was on AC dense dose for 4 cycles, then Taxotere dense dose for 4 cycles + Herceptin, and after that Herceptin every week for 44 weeks.

    Seems a little weird that everyone is getting Taxol with AC but I'm getting Taxotere.  Is something wrong with this?  Has anyone heard of this combination?

  • suemed8749
    suemed8749 Member Posts: 1,151
    edited July 2009

    My diagnosis (January 08) was very similar, but my tumor was 2.2 cm which bumped me up into Stage IIA. I had Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin every 3 weeks x 6 then Herceptin for a year (18 total). I like my short hair so much that I'm keeping it!

  • ssimmons66
    ssimmons66 Member Posts: 51
    edited July 2009

    I went to see ONC this monday he wanted to do the ACTH route with me, so I agreed.  Yesterday my brother at 46 has a heartattack...he will be OK he had to get a stint put in THANK GOD!!!!  So now I am really rethinking my TX plan because of the heart damage! What do yall think?

  • BorneoMom
    BorneoMom Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2009

    So sorry to hear about your brother, and thank the Lord that he will be OK.  Yes, it certainly does give one cause to stop and consider!

     For me, given the known possible side effect of heart damage when you have Adriamycin with Herceiptin, I'm staying away from that combo; there are other regimes which lots of other women are on, that don't have that same potential for heart damage. My heart is fine, I just want to stay far away from AC--why risk it, when there are other options!

    It seems a lot of women are put on the Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin regimen for 6 cycles, with Herceptin continuing for a year. That was my onc's first suggestion, but I asked if there wasn't a shorter regimen for chemo, so he's put me on 4 cycles of Taxotere, Cytoxan and Herceptin for a year. He said both the 4 & 6 cycles were as effective, just that there hadn't been a specific study done with the 4-cycle one, like there had with the TCH.  So I chose for 4 cycles of chemo instead of 6. 

    Oh, and I'm on Day 7 past my 2nd chemo, and still have hair--very thin, and you can now see my scalp through, but it's still there. I cut it short (couple of inches, not a buzz) 2 days ago, but am glad I still have it.  I'll be praying for your decision of what to do. Talk to your onc and see if he might be agreeable to TCH, or to the one I"m on.  Can't hurt to ask.

    Blessings, Lois

  • ssimmons66
    ssimmons66 Member Posts: 51
    edited July 2009

    Thank you BorneoMOM! I have been praying about it all day and I KNOW I am calling my ONC tomorrow and asking about it.  Also I am glad you still have some of your hair maybe it won't all fall out! I have a scar on the top of my head from a car wreck 20 yrs ago (of course with all my hair you could never see it) but my husband keeps kidding me how funny it is going to look!!

    I Hope your tx go well GOD BLESS

  • DebbieB
    DebbieB Member Posts: 161
    edited July 2009

    I was dx'd in 2001 at age 45 and had 4 rounds of AC chemo.  At that time, herceptin was not offered unless you were Stage 4.  Until the bc, I had always been in perfect health.  I didn't have high blood pressure or cholesterol.  I ended up being dx'd in 2007 with heart damage from the adriamycin.  Heart damage from adriamycin is not typically reversible.  I will be on heart meds the rest of my life.  But I am just glad the meds are working for me.  I would see about doing another chemo cocktail and opt to get herceptin.  It can also cause heart problems but they are typically reversible.

    Good Luck!

    Debbie

  • azsunn
    azsunn Member Posts: 201
    edited July 2009

    My diagnosis was very similar to yours I had sections of the tumor were weakly positive (therefore considered positive) and some sections were negative.

    I had 6 rounds of Taxol, Carboplatin together with weekly Herceptin.  ACTH was the first recommendation of my oncologist, but he was comfortable with the TCH.  I wanted to minimize any risk of potential heart damage so I chose the TCH.  

    I came through treatment pretty well.  The only trouble I had/have is a suppressed WBC.  I had minimal side effects from the chemo.

    Thoughts are with you as you make your decision. 

  • mmm5
    mmm5 Member Posts: 1,470
    edited July 2009

    Hi Similar dx here as well. I got 3 opinions and they all said TCH vs ACTH. I have a friend that was dxed 6 years ago and did ACTH young like me 41 and had irreversible heart damage, I think it happens more than 4% in the quotes. (I have just heard about it too much) THE TCH was doable and like AZSUNN i only had suppressed WBC. I have done a lot of research and many state that the lowered blood WBC's can be from being on Herceptin and AI at same time as both target cells.

    AZSUNN am in AZ too, where did you do your TX?

    I am in Scottsdale

  • ssimmons66
    ssimmons66 Member Posts: 51
    edited July 2009

    I called my ONC today, had to speak to the nurse, I asked her to ask my doctor if it was ok to do TCH instead of ACTH.SO she called me back and told me that he said he would prefer me to do TCH because of the heart damage????  I just said OK well that was what I was thinking also! I didn't ask why they had not recommended it to begin with if that was the case, but I should have and still might!  OF COURSE I don't want to make them mad at me since they are the ones with needles LOL!  GOD BLESS everyone and I will be praying for yall.

  • BorneoMom
    BorneoMom Member Posts: 38
    edited July 2009

    So glad that you were able to change to TCH--your peace of mind in the midst of all this is worth a lot.  Yes, go figure!!! Why didn't your onc just say TCH in the first place???  But, you got it changed, and with just a phone call, so that's great.  Trust everything else falls into place for you through all of this.    Blessings, Lois

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