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  • Gramof3
    Gramof3 Member Posts: 301
    edited June 2009
    Kfinnigan--I'm off my schedule because of having to have a new port put in, but if I can get back on track, I should know which Arm in 3 more weeks.  Have you been "unblinded?"  
  • moborn63
    moborn63 Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2009

    Toxel #8 tomorrow. Hey when do they usually unblind you anyway.

    Chemo has caused my blood pressure to stay in the hypertension level so last week they put me on blood pressure medicine (mild) to see if it helps.

    Did have one question. I don't know if this is result of Toxel or blood pressure medicine or just the heat (and boy has it been hot in mid missouri this week) anyway. the pointing finger on my left hand and the thumb on my left hand as well as the area between all the way to my wrist has been swollen and tight and painful. As well I have felt the area between my arm pit and my elbow feeling tight as well. I will talk to dr about it tomorrow but wanted to know if this has happened to any of you. The left side is also the side where I had the nodes removed and I have been very careful on that side because I did not want to develop lymphoma.

  • Gramof3
    Gramof3 Member Posts: 301
    edited June 2009

    MOborn--Good luck on #8--I thought they unblind you after #8, but not sure.

  • kfinnigan
    kfinnigan Member Posts: 1,729
    edited June 2009

    Gramof3 - I was unblinded in December and am on Arm C!  The only one at our hospital on the arm that continues.  I had 3 more to go, however, I was exposed to the Swine Flu H1N1 virus (my daughter is a nurse and caught it from a patient).  I've been on Tamiflu for it since Sat. so my clincial trials nurse called the Chair of this study and she along with an oncologist said I should skip this dose (cycle 16) altogether and get back on schedule with the next one in 3 wks.  They asked how I felt about this and I said 'oh goody its like playing hooky'...they agreed that in the long run I will still have over 90% of the Avastin so I said ok.  I would have had to go in today and it feels so good not to have to go!!!!  So I will be checking back in to see what Arm you are in!!

    How's everyone else doing?  Hope you're all hanging in there.  Hugs 

  • Gramof3
    Gramof3 Member Posts: 301
    edited June 2009

    kfinnigan--I think everyone should play hooky once in a while!  I'm hoping for at least Arm B, but we'll see.   Hope the Swine Flu doesn't materialize--take care.  Helen

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited June 2009

    Keryl,

    Let me chime on the eyes, I also had blurred vision shortly after starting chemo. I had mentioned to my Onc about needing to see an optometrist, he said to wait until a few months after finishing chemo. I waited and still had blurred vision and swore my vision had changed, I went to the optometrist and my vision was as before chemo. I still cannot explain why I have a harder time in seeing and focusing. I think we are right and the drugs do affect our vision, another long-term side effect.

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited June 2009

    Moborne63,

    How did you make out at the Drs concerning your hand? You should have an unblind date, very soon.

    wishing you the best,

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2009

    Ladies,

    I may be the ABNORMAL one (I capitalized because I admit to it) but I have not slept more than 4-5hrs within 24hrs since 10/07 when this mess started. I have had sleeping and anxiety pills and none helped just added more SE. I had thought my lack of sleep was due to chemo, stress etc. not really consider menopause but boy it was just that. Wish I had a heads-up so I could of prepared sooner but I guess no-one really knows until it happens. I am seeking my own avenue to address the problem but want to suggest you seek some knowledge to find your fix to the SE if they are persistent and annoying.

    To each her own, you will find yoursWink

  • kfinnigan
    kfinnigan Member Posts: 1,729
    edited June 2009

    Brena, I too have the lack of sleeping more than a few hours syndrome...Now I'm blaming the Tamoxifen, but who knows!!

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited June 2009

    Ladies,

    I keep reading good stuff about bishposphonates and its affect on our bones and BC. For those just joining the group please talk to your Onc about the SWOG S0307 trial. I am on the Clodronate and still have no SE and had a good dental check-up...so far very good at handling the drug.

    Lots of good stuff going on,

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited June 2009

    Desi,

    Hope your ribs are better, did you get hit in them? Do you find yourself pulling away from BC News or closer when you hear about it? What is your follow-up schedule with your Onc?



    have a dry warm weekend,

  • kfinnigan
    kfinnigan Member Posts: 1,729
    edited June 2009

    I didn't qualify for the bis trial!!  bummer  

  • TexasRose
    TexasRose Member Posts: 740
    edited June 2009

    I haven't updated here in a long time. I admit I keep forgetting about this thread. Dang chemo brain!!

    Anyway, I had my third AC last Tuesday. Only one more of those!! I've had no nausea this time at all, but I have been SO tired. I have basically been asleep since Wednesday night. I can't believe how much I have slept. I had the bad sore throat on Thursday. I always get that and I hate it. Taste buds are gone. Nothing has any flavor and that makes it hard to eat. But I have to eat or the nausea starts.

    We had some issues with my blood pressure being so high. My pre-chemo blood pressure is normal and my clinical trial nurse thinks it could be the Avastin that is causing that so we are hoping that I am getting the drug. Of course I'm a long way from finding out, but she thinks it's a good sign. They have put me on BP drugs.

    I got my schedule in the mail yesterday for my Taxol. It shows the first treatment is three hours and the rest are only an hour. Is that how it was for everybody else? I am so looking forward to being done with AC. But I'm dreading the weekly Taxol. Right now I LOVE my off week with  no hospital visits. Won't have that after Taxol. Oh well. We do what we have to do, don't we?

    I shaved my head last weekend. I had shaved it before, but last weekend we went down to the Mr. Clean look. There is already stubble and hair coming back. I have such thick hair and it grows so fast. Now, I'm not sure that I would have lost it all. Probably shaved too early! LOL Oh well. The only place that I have lost it completely is under my arms.  

    I have noticed some vision changes also. I was already in readers before chemo, but I am having a harder time with distance now. I already wear contacts for distance. I was told not to have my eyes examined since the chemo would affect my vision. I hate the vision problems.

    My best wishes to all! (((hugs))) and prayers! 

  • foobs
    foobs Member Posts: 110
    edited June 2009

    I had my last  A/C 3 days ago!   I started chemo DD on May 14 so I'm just barely ahead of you, TexasRose. 

    I'm incredibly tired but otherwise doing pretty well---just have an overall horrible achy sicky feel.  I have high blood pressure too but so far not high enough for meds.  Nurse thought MAYBE I might be getting the Avastin??  My eyes are bugging me too but seem slightly better this round. hm??  But the hair thing.............. we shaved mine but now I'm not sure it was all going to fall out.  I have (had) thick thick hair and still have lots of stubble on my head.  ((driving me crazy)  But very little hair anyplace else.  Still have eyebrows and eyelashes. Even if all your hair doesn't fall out, does it stop growing?  Does anyone know?

    I know I shouldn't but I want to know how this Taxol is going to be.   For those of you finished, did you have an easier time with Taxol? 

    mborn63:  Your hand/arm problem might be lymphedema.  I certainly hope not but can you get into see a lyphedema specialist?  My understanding is that they're usually occupational therapists trained to work with lypmph node removal side effects.  I have one who has helped me a lot.  I found I had to be persistent to get an appointment.  Let me know how you're doing now.

  • foobs
    foobs Member Posts: 110
    edited June 2009

    kfinnigan

    I forgot to tell you congratulations on getting a week off!!  You're almost through with the chemo and I'm so thrilled for you! 

     I really do think the chemo is going to be the worst part---worse than the up-coming surgeries, radiation.  What do the rest of you think?  What's your worst part so far? I don't think most of us know how to be this sick! 

     Well I can check off  the A/C (couldn't imagine that after the first round) and now its done.  Now I'm eager to check Taxol off my list.

  • TexasRose
    TexasRose Member Posts: 740
    edited June 2009

    foobs- For me the chemo is definitely the worst part. No question. I already had my surgery- left simple mastectomy, SNB and port placement. I still have some swelling and numbness, but the surgery wasn't really that bad. I am not going to have radiation since I did the mastectomy and they got clean margins. So, for me, definitely the chemo is the hardest! Congrats on being done with AC!!! You are right- I am not far behind you!

    You know- I should add though that I haven't decided on reconstruction yet. That might be hard. My hospital will not do reconstruction until you are finished with treatment. I waffle back and forth on whether I will have it at all.

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited June 2009

    I didnt qualify, something about my baselines being too good.

  • S3K5
    S3K5 Member Posts: 606
    edited June 2009

    Hi Brena,

    Thanks for enquiring about my health - actually the rib pain was due to intense cough, which was due to pneumonia. I had two rounds of antibiotics but the ribs were sore. The cough has gotten better so has the pain. I had no injury to the ribs. Radiation has weakened the ribs/muscles.

    Since last thurs (June 25th) I have UTI with possible kidney infection! Antibiotics again!! I don't know when I'll be 'normal'! It seems like it is one thing after another!! Plus the work stress!

    Enough of my venting. How are you? How's is your work?

    Hope everything is going okay,

    Take care,

    Desi.

  • foobs
    foobs Member Posts: 110
    edited June 2009

    Brena 

    Is the SWOG trial the bisphosphonate trial? 

    Also could you share with me how Taxol was for you? 

  • kfinnigan
    kfinnigan Member Posts: 1,729
    edited June 2009

    Hi girls!

    We took off to Lake Tahoe for the weekend and it felt so 'normal' to be back in the mountains breathing such fresh air.  

    TexasRose and Foobs - Congrats on A/C #3 over with and for A/C being over with!  A/C was the worst for me.  Also had the 4 DD A/C then 12 weekly Taxol and now the 10 extra Avastin (well 9 since we dropped one).  I had to take off practically every week after A/C from work, but with the Taxol I just took the day after off to rest.  I would take breaks during the work day and lay my head down on my desk sometimes.  The Taxol was much easier than the A/C, and that's what my onc told me would happen.  She was right on with everything she has told me.  I had shaved my head right before A/C #2 and wondered whether I should have done that, but once I started the Taxol, it seemed less stubbly up there and also that's when I lost my eyebrows/lashes and hair everywhere else was during Taxol, but then at the end of Taxol, my hair came back!  My onc said yes your hair grows back while on Taxol!!  Just watch the fingernails, mine would hurt but they never came off...I have slight numbness in two fingers on my surgery side and sometimes two toes will feel a little numb after a lot of walking.  The Taxol did do some funny things to me though...my heart rate went crazy, so they put me on meds that lower the blood pressure (mine has always been low normal) and that lowered the heart rate...took that through the Taxol.  

    The first Taxol is longer...warning, they give you steroids and benadryl before the Taxol, the minute the benadryl hit the IV I couldn't keep my eyes open, you just want to sleep!!!  Good luck girls!!  I'm thinking of you! 

    It gets better!!!

    Desi, you poor thing with the infections!!  Get better girl, we're thinking of you!

  • Keryl
    Keryl Member Posts: 230
    edited July 2009

    I havent posted for awhile - very busy. but did have my round of tests and all is clear.

    I wish I could report to you that my eyes are better, but not really. In fact, it is so frustrating -- I HAVE TO HAVE glasses on to see  any decent sized print - godforbid driving and thinking you are going to look at a map. ! My nose/sinus is much better, but still gets dry, irritable and sometimes a little crusty (sorry for the detail) It is definitely post chemo stuff, even though  my onco said -oh maybe its allergies. No, it's not allergies!!!  It is very distinctive - don't get me wrong - I am thankful for all my treatment - just very aware.

    For the most part, I am doing well. Sometimes at 2 a.m. the doubts creep in -- but otherwise doing ok. Love the summer...its a state of mind! 

  • rockbranchdeb
    rockbranchdeb Member Posts: 17
    edited July 2009

    Fellow E5103 Trial members:

       I think I posted to this thread a few weeks ago; I'm not sure. I was interested in opinions about traveling between A/C #3 and #4 (we were getting a new grandbaby in RI--we live in Iowa). At any rate, I've been trying to read all of your posts to catch up on everyone, and I've so enjoyed the wealth of support and info. We did indeed travel to RI. The airport/plane experience was a bit of public humiliation with a mask, gloves, bald head, and wheelchair!! But I sooooo needed to meet our new family member. My counts crashed a few days after arrival, but I was able to rock the baby for about 4 days straight! Counts rebounded in time to fly back to IA & take A/C #4.

      I now have questions, also, about the Taxol. I'll have my first weekly taxol next Tuesday, July 7. I have been instructed to take 5 steroid tablets (Decadron) 12 hours before chemo and then 5 more 6 hours before. Did anyone else do that? Does that ever get reduced? I have a son getting married in Sept. and the steroids have already caused weight gain, and I haven't been on this massive dose yet. I bought the "mother-of-the-groom" dress last Sept., and I fear I will burst the seams!!!  Also, what side effects have any of you experienced with Taxol? Is it truly easier? Will I feel more "normal"? How long before I lose eyelashes/eyebrows (another wedding concern).

       Thanks for all your help!

    Deb from Iowa

  • S3K5
    S3K5 Member Posts: 606
    edited July 2009

    Deb,

    I went thru' this same treatment schedule last year. I don't know why they are loading you up with so much steroids - all I got was an IV of steroids (Decadron) and Benedryl just before Taxol. I guess they are being over cautious with you (just to prevent any allergic reactions). You might want to ask the doctor about IV steroids - it will be short lived and you don't have to swallow as many tablets. Yes, weight gain is a problem, but according to the dr., a minor one.

    For a lot of people on this board, Taxol was easier than AC. But then, everyone is different. Nausea is definitely less with Taxol.

    I hope this helps,

    Have a great summer,

    Desi.

  • Gramof3
    Gramof3 Member Posts: 301
    edited July 2009

    Deb,

    My treatment is like Desi's was--Benedryl then Decadron in IVs just before the Taxol.  I did not have much in the way of SEs with A/C and, other than discolored toenails, the Taxol has been no problem. 

    Congrats on the new grandbaby! 

    Good luck with the treatments--

  • kfinnigan
    kfinnigan Member Posts: 1,729
    edited July 2009

    Keryl, glad the tests were clear!  The 2am doubts sound about right, but we try and remain positive don't we?!

    Deb, they gave me steroid pills when I arrived at chemo, my onc said I didn't need any before and not through IV, weird how they are all different.  Then the benadryl was thru IV.  Near the last Taxols, I asked if I still needed as many steroids and my onc said 'no' so they reduced them down.  Make sure you ask cause they forget.  Each Taxol though the nurses would ask if I'd taken my steroids and each time I had to explain I didn't have any to take...that they give me them when I arrive.  So weird.

    Good luck sisters!!!!!!! 

  • foobs
    foobs Member Posts: 110
    edited July 2009

    Kfinnigan:   Thanks!  I know you know how glad I am to be done with A/C!!  You've been an inspiration to me when I didn't think I could get through another 36 hour day!  ha

    I'm not even worrying if I'm on Avastin or not.  I figure, why worry when I can't do anything about it.

    TexasRose  You had your 4th A/C today right?  When you get back online let me know how you're doing.  I'm on day #7 after my last one and today can feel my strength coming back!  It didn't take me as long this time as I thought it would.  I wish the same (or better for you)   I KNOW you're celebrating being done with nasty A/C!!!   I have no bone pain today, just watery eyes, nose, fatigue, no taste buds, and I think I have 3 nail beds turning darker, but no pain there.

     I asked my Onc if I could have the absolute minimum of steroids with the Taxol and he said I HAVE to have 20 cc the first time but he can cut it back to 10cc if I do ok.  IS it cc or ml??--oh well, what the hell, I know he's willing to try half as much and I'm just glad for that!!  My heart rate goes way up on steroids but I haven't noticed the weight gain----yet??  yikes

    RockbranchDeb:  that sounds like LOTS of steroids.  I hope you handle this well.  I'm sure your Dr has a reason for giving you so many.  HUGS to you all! 

  • foobs
    foobs Member Posts: 110
    edited July 2009
    Kfinnigan  I just noticed your post about steroids and asking them to reduce them for you too.  I seem to remember that you ( like me) are pretty sensitive to drugs? 
  • TexasRose
    TexasRose Member Posts: 740
    edited July 2009

    Foobs- My last AC is next Tuesday- the 7th. I am so ready to be done with it!! But the third one has really kicked my butt. I hope #4 is easier!! I'm getting nervous about the Taxol.

  • kfinnigan
    kfinnigan Member Posts: 1,729
    edited July 2009

    Hi foobs and TexasRose!

    foobs, yes I am very sensitive to drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Also started with the 20 (can't remember either if its cc or what, haha) dosage of the steroids.

    TexasRose - #3 kicked my butt too!!!!!!!  Oh also girls, my right hand peeled in the palm side (that's the arm they used for the IV)...then with #4 and the first Taxol, the bottoms of my feet peeled.  But they recovered.  These drugs do some nasty stuff don't they?  As long as they kill the enemy!!

    Rest easy and hugs to all!  Happy 4th of July!  We are headed up to Portland, Ore for some partying!  (9.5 hour drive though, yuk!)  Take care

    Kari 

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2009

    rockbranchdeb,

    Good luck with ur first round of taxol, after u have gone a round or two maybe ur Onc would consider reducing ur meds? don't hurt to ask. I hated the benadryl and decadron made me feel out of control, tired and sluggish but served its purpose. The Onc would not reduce my dosage which was given through IV.

    As far as traveling, do what u can and listen to ur body. What were each of ur counts?

    take care & enjoy the great things in life,

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